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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:27 PM May 2020

Tara Reade says she did not discuss the assault in 2019 out of fear...

Those who defend Reade state that while she didn't explicitly state she was sexually assaulted by Biden during her interview & article from 2019, it doesn't prove much - as it can take decades for a victim to feel comfortable enough to come forward with their allegations. Reade, they claim, was still not of the mind needed to accuse Biden. Reade herself states she didn't say anything of the assault in 2019 because she feared for her safety over 'online harassment'.

Regardless if you believe this is a strong enough argument from withholding a significant accusation (while also suggesting much milder claims) - something Reade said in 2019 doesn't necessarily jive with this story.

In 2019, Reade told the AP that she did not fear Biden and that he was not the type who was going to take her into a closet or anything. What he did (her initial accusation - the uncomfortable touching) didn't give off that 'kind of vibe'.



I have a problem with this.

If she didn't accuse him of assault back then out of fear, why did she go out of her way to state she wasn't scared of him and didn't get that type of vibe? Wouldn't she just omit that - refuse to state something that categorically states her accusations weren't anything close to assault?

If she had been assaulted, and was too scared to admit it in 2019, why add that portion to her claim? Why not just leave it alone and focus entirely on the touching without stating Biden didn't seem capable of doing anything like she's accusing him now?

That, to me at least, completely undermines her argument.

1) She's on the record, in 2019, stating she didn't get those vibes from him

2) Even if she didn't mention the assault out of fear, why would she specifically mention Biden wasn't capable of that if she knew he was?

These are questions Katie Harper should have asked Tara. It's questions people should legitimately be asking her right now.

I suspect the answer will be more deflection 'she was too afraid' they'll say.

But when do you finally just throw in the towel and concede the story doesn't add up?

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Tara Reade says she did not discuss the assault in 2019 out of fear... (Original Post) Drunken Irishman May 2020 OP
Her story grows shakier by the day... comradebillyboy May 2020 #1
Are We At Minute 14 Yet? ProfessorGAC May 2020 #2
Lies to explain the contradictions caused by the previous lies Hav May 2020 #3
"But when do you finally just throw in the towel and concede the story doesn't add up?" Caliman73 May 2020 #4
Sounds like a perfect mate for Trump. WyattKansas May 2020 #10
Who is cutting the Checks? Wellstone ruled May 2020 #5
+1 2naSalit May 2020 #6
+2 Raster May 2020 #19
Thanks for pointing this out.. Reade's had so many contradictions Cha May 2020 #7
Thx for that link Hav May 2020 #8
Thank you for these tweets, Hav. Cha May 2020 #12
Tara Reade, or whatever name she's using now pamdb May 2020 #9
I had something similar as an attorney. no_hypocrisy May 2020 #11
So she's less fearful now, even though infinitely more is at stake? Bleacher Creature May 2020 #13
She's a liar hadEnuf May 2020 #14
Who? pwb May 2020 #15
+1 crickets May 2020 #17
NOTICE HOW THE MEDIA KEEPS RIDING THIS STORY blakstoneranger May 2020 #16
Was she safe or out? tirebiter May 2020 #18
They will never stop, you know that. lark May 2020 #20

Hav

(5,969 posts)
3. Lies to explain the contradictions caused by the previous lies
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:46 PM
May 2020

It makes no sense. If you were afraid, you don't poke the bear at all. You don't just build it up slowly from no sexual misconduct (poke) to sexual harassment (poke) for having to serve drinks to rape after teasing the latest escalation with "Timing is everything. Tik tok." That really shows fear.
The hacks around her pushing her lies don't care about all this because they are just as much politically motivated like Reade and similarly have a self interest for this farce to go on.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
4. "But when do you finally just throw in the towel and concede the story doesn't add up?"
Mon May 4, 2020, 06:48 PM
May 2020

I don't think that she can at this point. If she admits that the situation isn't true, she will destroy what is left of her life and credibility. She is locked in and the people who are promoting this story aren't going to want her admitting anything either.

Seems like she has painted herself into a serious corner.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
10. Sounds like a perfect mate for Trump.
Mon May 4, 2020, 08:03 PM
May 2020

Lie themselves into a corner so far that they can't come clean without showing they are total frauds.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
19. +2
Wed May 6, 2020, 09:30 AM
May 2020

Reid is getting something for this. Ask any prosecutor, Reid*s constant shifting and changing narrative tends to indicate untruthfulness. If so, she will be found out. What could possibly her motivation?

Cha

(297,923 posts)
7. Thanks for pointing this out.. Reade's had so many contradictions
Mon May 4, 2020, 07:29 PM
May 2020

it's not always easy to keep it straight. This is important.. why, indeed, would she say that if she had a real memory of what she claims?

Speaking of Reade's contradictions..


Hav

(5,969 posts)
8. Thx for that link
Mon May 4, 2020, 07:56 PM
May 2020

That thread offered 3 messages by her just in regards to filing the complaint that contradict not only each other but also what we should find in the national archives.

(Apologies to mobile users who might see duplicate messages)


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Cha

(297,923 posts)
12. Thank you for these tweets, Hav.
Mon May 4, 2020, 08:19 PM
May 2020

I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up with Reade's latest twisted contradictions.

pamdb

(1,333 posts)
9. Tara Reade, or whatever name she's using now
Mon May 4, 2020, 08:00 PM
May 2020



I've about had it with this chick. I wish the media would just ignore her and her 5 different alias and her suing everyone from her brother and father and ex husband and bankruptcies, she has problems. No time for her in this election.

no_hypocrisy

(46,266 posts)
11. I had something similar as an attorney.
Mon May 4, 2020, 08:18 PM
May 2020

My client was a certified nurses aide, age 63, practicing more than two decades. She worked in a long-term facility, taking care of 9 or 10 elderly residents.

Out of the blue, a 77 yo resident accused her of physical abuse, crushing her leg in a Hoyer Lift transfer. I represented the CNA pro bono and did a lot of research.

First, like Reade, this accuser didn't report the alleged injury right away. Matter of fact, she casually brought it up two weeks later during a Family Meeting with the social worker. And to make it plausible why she didn't report it sooner to the administration, the resident manufactured 14 additional instances of alleged emotional and psychological abuse, the same day as the Hoyer Lift incident, and all within a 90 minute period of time. And she explained she didn't report it as she was terrified of my client, based on the anecdotes of these additional alleged mini-abuses.

My client denied any of it happened. And her record was spotless. Yet we were before an Administrative Court judge for three sessions. The accuser showed up in a wheelchair and made an average presentation. Her son, who claimed he witnessed the Hoyer Lift, echoed what his mother said on the record. (However, on cross examination, I got him to admit that "nothing happened."

And at the end, after the closing arguments were submitted, the judge ruled that there was insufficient evidence of abuse. Why: I scoured the transcripts again and again and again -- and I found at least 15 instances of contractions by the accuser between her testimony (direct and cross) and what she told the administration. It was highly improbable that there was ANY abuse and the judge recognized that I was ready to appeal if he ignored my argument.

My point: Tara Reade needs to go further on the record and Joe Biden needs more records, and I promise you that there will be inconsistencies, contradictions, and outright lies. I did it and Joe can do it -- and BTW, I "won" even after the judge told me off the record to not even bother submitting my written closing argument as he had already made up his mind and it wasn't in my client's favor.

hadEnuf

(2,222 posts)
14. She's a liar
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:04 AM
May 2020

and she is full of shit.

That's the problem.


Her 15 minutes of fame are up. She should go cash the GOP check and call it happy.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
16. NOTICE HOW THE MEDIA KEEPS RIDING THIS STORY
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:47 PM
May 2020

EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A LIE. BUT NOBODY IS QUESTIONING TRUMP AND HIS ACCUSERS.......E JEAN CARROLL IS REQUESTING TRUMP'S DNA TO PROVE HE RAPED HER... BUT LETS NOT GET SIDE TRACKED WITH OLD NEWS.

tirebiter

(2,539 posts)
18. Was she safe or out?
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:49 PM
May 2020

What does NewYork say?

Out and not aii close.

The Taratowners are making noise but their manager is not leaving the bench.

lark

(23,182 posts)
20. They will never stop, you know that.
Wed May 6, 2020, 09:32 AM
May 2020

If there is a debate, which is totally doubtful that drumpf has the ball to do that, I'd put big money on him bringing Tara and sitting her right up front. Biden should bring in at least 10 of drumpfs' accusers, because he actually is a rapist and needs to have these women staring at him, knowing for sure that he's an almost dickless asshole.

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