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As Biden and Warren wrote in their OP
Both of us have served in Congress overseeing the executive branch. We have also both served in the executive branch and answered to independent oversight. Take it from us: Oversight is vital to an effective democracy and a fair economy, and its a threat only if you have something to hide.
... During the recent presidential primary, both of us called for significant reforms to end Washington corruption and guarantee a government that works for the people. We urgently need those broader reforms now.
Read more here: https://www.kansas.com/opinion/article242350451.htm
Defeating corruption is the sine qua non for a government that serves the people. This is the team to do it.
Bluepinky
(2,276 posts)I think it would be a winning combination, Biden for the conservative side of the party and Warren for the progressives.
Cha
(297,935 posts)Bluepinky
(2,276 posts)Together, they would have a broad range of appeal. Whereas a Biden-Klobuchar ticket would have less appeal to progressives. After speaking with many progressives, some of them Bernie fans, this is what Ive heard them say. Many progressives dont think Biden is interested in making the sweeping changes needed to help restore income equality, whereas this is one of Warrens strengths.
Cha
(297,935 posts)the Primary OVERWHELMINGLY. Spending 4x less $$$$ than Sanders.
There's nothing "conservative" about Joe Biden's Platform.
Bluepinky
(2,276 posts)Warrens message is more appealing to progressives because she wants to make sweeping changes in the financial industry, in favor of the middle and working classes. All Im saying is that Warren would be a good choice as VP.
Cha
(297,935 posts)like the Majority is.
Bluepinky
(2,276 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)What does that mean? Do you even know what the DNC is or are you just repeating a talking point?
Cha
(297,935 posts)Callalily
(14,900 posts)Celerity
(43,682 posts)https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/5/1924805/-Vice-President-Warren-It-can-happen-Here-s-how
Ive read a bunch of people assuming that Elizabeth Warren cant be Vice President, or be in the next Presidents cabinet, because shed be giving up a Senate seat to the GOP after Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker appoints a Republican. Im here to tell you that it aint necessarily so. The mechanism is fairly simple she can resign this year and be replaced this year.
According to the National Conference of State Legislatures (www.ncsl.org/...), Massachusetts is one of 14 states which replace their Senators via a special election. Massachusetts law M.G.L.A. 54 §140 says this: 145-160 days after vacancy occurs. If a vacancy occurs after April 10 but on or before the 70th day before the regular state primary, the office shall appear on the regular state primary ballot. If a vacancy occurs after that time, the office shall appear on the state election ballot that November.
Governor Baker could appoint a Republican upon her resignation, but in the mechanism above, there are two options: If she resigns between today and April 9, there would be a special election some time between July 28 and September 16. If she resigns between April 10 and June 23, her seat would be up for a special election held on Election Day to fill the rest of the term. In either case, the winner of the election would be sworn in immediately.
Warrens resignation also solves a problem. Massachusetts is enduring a massively pointless primary fight between two strong Democrats Incumbent Senator Ed Markey and Congressman Joseph Kennedy III. If Warren resigns, Kennedy can simply move over and run for this other seat, and everybodys happy. Whoever Baker appoints would be a serious underdog to Rep. Kennedy. And its not like theres a lot going to get done that Warren would be able to stop in the Senate the rest of 2020. The Senate has done virtually nothing but confirm judges the whole term.
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Massachusetts law dictates an election be held within 145-160 days of a Senatorial vacancy
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/parti/titleviii/chapter54/section140
Section 140. (a) Upon failure to choose a senator or representative in congress or upon creation of a vacancy in that office, the governor shall immediately cause precepts to be issued to the aldermen in every city and the selectmen in every town in the district, directing them to call an election on the day appointed in the precepts for the election of such senator or representative. The day so appointed shall not be more than 160 nor less than 145 days after the date that a vacancy is created or a failure to choose occurs. Filing a letter of resignation creates a vacancy under this section, even if the resignation is not effective until some later time, but the date of the election to fill a vacancy under this section shall be after the resignation is effective.
(b) If a vacancy under this section is created after February 1 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall not issue the precepts required by subsection (a), except as subsection (c) provides for a vacancy for senator.
(c) If a vacancy is created for senator in congress after April 10 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall issue precepts under this section, unless section 152 requires that office to appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If this section prevents issuance of precepts for senator, the office shall appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If a vacancy for senator is created after April 10 of an even-numbered year, but on or before the seventieth day preceding the regular state primary, the precepts shall appoint the day of the regular state primary and the biennial state election for holding the special primary and special election required by this section.
(d) If at the time a senator or representative in congress is elected at the biennial state election, there exists a vacancy in that office, the senator or representative shall also be deemed to have been elected to serve out that vacancy.
(e) A senator elected to fill a vacancy under this section shall serve for the remainder of the unexpired term.
(f) Upon failure to choose a senator in congress or upon a vacancy in that office, the governor shall make a temporary appointment to fill the vacancy; provided, however, that the person so appointed shall serve until the election and qualification of the person duly elected to fill the vacancy pursuant to subsection (a) or (c).
BGBD
(3,282 posts)if for no other reason than to get Kennedy in the Senate. He's a superstar in the wings.
Celerity
(43,682 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-223104
Joe Biden took months to decide he wouldnt run for president but he was sold on Elizabeth Warren as his running mate from the start, people familiar with the situation told POLITICO. And he still thinks the Massachusetts firebrand would be Hillary Clintons best choice to replace him as the nations No. 2 in January 2017. Biden, a stalwart Democrat who has veered leftward in recent years but, as a centrist senator, voted to scuttle the Glass-Steagall prohibitions on banks engaging in speculative investments favored Warren because he needed a partner to capture the wave of anti-bank, anti-establishment anger raging to his left.
Warren, a freshman senator from Massachusetts, who supports breaking up the big banks and re-imposing 1930s-era Wall Street regulations to prevent another global financial crisis, was Bidens only real choice, according to an official he spoke to at the time. Biden who told an interviewer on Tuesday that he considered running for president because he believed he was the best person for the job took his hat out of the ring in late October 2015, citing the stresses on his family following the death of his son Beau. But hes recently told associates that Warren would be an equally smart pick for Hillary Clinton, who has been sharply criticized for refusing to publish the transcripts of her high-paid speeches to the elite banking firm of Goldman Sachs.
Biden, a senior Democratic official said, first mentioned Warren as a possible running mate during his earliest strategy sessions with a team of advisers that included friends Mike Donilon, Steve Richetti and Ted Kaufman; Donilon, the person said, was particularly enthusiastic about it. And Biden broached the idea, almost matter of factly, to Warren during a much-hyped lunch meeting at the vice presidents residence on the grounds of the Naval Observatory last September. Biden, according to a person briefed on details of the meeting, told Warren he wanted her to be his running mate during the conversation but didnt explicitly ask her to commit to the slot or endorse his candidacy. Warren, the person told POLITICO, was noncommittal but not displeased.
At that meeting, she delivered a clear-eyed assessment of Bidens own chances, according to a staffer who was given a read-out of the conversation, telling the vice president that he had little chance of positioning himself to the left of Clinton, given his own three-decade record of moderate compromise in the Senate. Warren conceded prophetically in retrospect that Clinton would face a progressive backlash but she informed Biden that his record on Wall Street was little better than that of the woman he hoped to topple as front-runner. As a senator, Biden, like Clinton, had supported a 2001 bankruptcy bill that Warren vehemently opposed; her advice to Biden was that, to appeal to the left, he would need to start talking right away about Wall Street reform.
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Excellent research as always.
Celerity
(43,682 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But will she help to win a swing state or get AA voters excited to vote?
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grantcart
(53,061 posts)Which candidate helps elect more Senators.
Here are the state's where 3% could make a difference
Montana
Arizona
Colorado
Georgia X 2
Iowa
Maine
Kentucky
I don't see Warren helping much down ticket
I do see Harris helping in many states esp Georgia
Lujan would have an even stronger draw with purple voters and suburban women. She could help make us viable in Texas, Warren does not.
Love Warren but we have other candidates who have broader appeal and her 3rd place finish in her own state primary proved that.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But while Biden does get the AA vote, remember Clinton did to but they still didn't come out in the same number they did for Obama. A WOC on the ticket would help there and could possibly make the difference in states like Florida and North Carolina.
I'm rooting for Susan Rice.
denem
(11,045 posts)If not now, when?
2naSalit
(86,897 posts)to lose her from that position. She can get a lot done from there if the rest of the Senate is with her. It's easier because she can actively lobby members of Congress as a member, not from the WH. Susan Rice has international experience with the UN and the intel community as NatSec advisor to the president and as an ambassador. She has worked with Joe for years and is, in my view, the best candidate for the position.
I love Senator Warren but I think she could be far more effective in dealing with corruption where she is... and she's already there.
denem
(11,045 posts)I don't know how many times I have heard that in the primaries and beyond. Ita the wording used to tell a woman she's been passed over "but, you'd be better where you are".
I'd be very happy with Susan Rice, just about all the women on the list. Amy Klobuchar is a most status quo, so I would prefer someone else, by would be more than enthusiastic in the GE.
Addendum: it is not necessarily true that nominating Warren would be at the price of a seat in the Senate. Warren could resign and trigger a special election, resolving the Markey v Kennedy III dilemma.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13392936
A woman president of color would be the strongest possible repudiation of trumps, and send an indelible message to the world. I agree. I would be cheering on Susan Rice. Why I prioritize corruption is results. It is the dominance of big money in politics that derails the platitudes expressed by Democrats during elections. Results. Results matter, to African Americans as much, if not more than anyone else. The place to tackle corruption is in the executive branch. Whatever position Warren may have there would raise the same considerations in the Senate.
2naSalit
(86,897 posts)I would prefer her to remain in the Senate but because I think her skill sets are best utilized in her role there. I actually think she would not have as much ability to accomplish the objectives she has in mind regarding corruption. So I stand by my statement as a woman who has been held back from my full potential my entire life.
denem
(11,045 posts)judeling
(1,086 posts)In 2016 we actually needed to unite and excite the party. In 2020 the party is already united and determined.
In 2017 who ever would have built and expanded on the previous eight years and work on systematic problems in a longer term planned way. In 2021 we have to spend a lot of effort just undoing and rebuilding basic government structures, while getting short term patches out that can position us to address the structural problems.
For this election cycle and the next four years Biden would be best served with a tactician not a strategist in the VP slot. My firm hope is that Biden strongly hints at Warren for Labor as a direct echo of FDR/ Francis Perkins.
Green Line
(1,123 posts)Hes so popular here, he would most likely win. There goes a Dem seat. Hes much more popular in Mass than she is.
Wanderlust988
(509 posts)We could easily have another Scott Brown situation.
Also, is Warren the 'go along to get along' type of person? I just don't see her playing 2nd fiddle to anyone.
denem
(11,045 posts)the special election would be held with the General.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13392936
The GOP is not going to pickup any Senate seats in 2020
brooklynite
(94,911 posts)Whitmer or Klobuchar are far better choices.
denem
(11,045 posts)It will become clear if 2020 is going to be a blowout or not. IMO trumps presidency is as doomed as Carters in 1980.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)(see how easy that is
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denem
(11,045 posts)where did you put my cigarettes?
SKKY
(11,831 posts)...in the next administration. But, from her seat in the Senate. Charlie Baker seems like someone who could win her seat should she leave. Kamala checks an awful lot of the boxes, IMHO.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Joe has always been a Democrat.
Joe can do better.
denem
(11,045 posts)if you want someone to play the role Joe did in the Obama Administration, overseeing the Recovery Act, Warren is the one.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)They so agree.
I like my candidates to be democrats from birth.
denem
(11,045 posts)except when it comes to money under the table. Kind regards to Craig Hall and Louis Susman.
kcr
(15,321 posts)It's probably going to be Warren.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)I think I'll live.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)she is suddenly everywhere. On MSNBC, posts on social media. Haven't seen much from her in months. Now? She's back.
denem
(11,045 posts)Will Candidates for Bidens VP Shortlist Defend Him From Reade Allegations?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-kamala-defend-biden-from-reade-allegations.html
I saw the reports of what Ms. Reade said, I saw an interview with Vice President Biden. I appreciate that the vice president took a lot of questions, tough questions. And he answered them directly and respectfully, Warren told CNNs Manu Raju Monday. The vice presidents answers were credible and convincing.
Elizabeth Warren
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/496134-warren-calls-bidens-denial-of-sexual-assault-claim-credible-and-convincing