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Black man murdered while jogging in Georgia: (Original Post) Kingofalldems May 2020 OP
Charge them and convict them of murder. In_The_Wind May 2020 #1
Why is a grand jury needed? It seems pretty clear. Demsrule86 May 2020 #31
Fucking racist murderers malaise May 2020 #2
This is what Trumpism is all about. Kingofalldems May 2020 #4
Nothing. You did nothing to earn this hatred. raging moderate May 2020 #12
These fucking scumbags murderers make me ashamed to be a European American. roamer65 May 2020 #15
Beware of those who have committed unforgivable crimes against you, because to tblue37 May 2020 #26
Built this nation. Mister Ed May 2020 #38
What the fuck is going on? Happy Hoosier May 2020 #3
This is apparently the case. LisaL May 2020 #6
HOLY FUCK. NT Happy Hoosier May 2020 #8
Excerpt: Mister Ed May 2020 #35
Glynn County, which is on the coast. Ilsa May 2020 #5
Crooked coppers abound there: Grand jury indicts Glynn County police chief, 3 others Celerity May 2020 #14
The guy who murdered him is an ex-cop. They'll be covering up for him. octoberlib May 2020 #7
You're absolutely right. Nt raccoon May 2020 #55
WTF! smirkymonkey May 2020 #9
THIS IS COLD BLOODED MURDER. Haggis for Breakfast May 2020 #10
There is no evidence oswaldactedalone May 2020 #11
"The deceased was a regular jogger in the area." crickets May 2020 #59
Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit! Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #13
No, there are two of them, not three. LisaL May 2020 #16
I just read the third guy was the person who filmed it. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #18
There are two men involved here. LisaL May 2020 #21
Okay. Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #24
I didn't even know about this! Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #17
looks like he was ambushed to me........ Takket May 2020 #19
It won't even be 24 hours before the "HE WAS NO ANGEL" stories start to bullwinkle428 May 2020 #20
This happened back in February. LisaL May 2020 #22
Local news mentioned his arrest back in 2012 for carrying a firearm on campus Kaleva May 2020 #29
String those two up by their fucking balls. bmpbmp May 2020 #23
Looks like cold blooded murder standingtall May 2020 #25
This article about the police report doesn't seem to match the video Kaleva May 2020 #27
That's Klan type excuses. Say one thing when really the truth is another rockfordfile May 2020 #37
Why was someone driving down the road videotaping? n/t Ms. Toad May 2020 #28
Dash cams are becoming more and more common Kaleva May 2020 #30
Weird. n/t Ms. Toad May 2020 #32
So someone is shot and killed and you're concerned about the dashcam? Kingofalldems May 2020 #34
Take your hostility out on someone else. Ms. Toad May 2020 #40
Maybe you post an OP about dashcams. Kingofalldems May 2020 #41
Again, take your hostility out on someone else. Ms. Toad May 2020 #51
It's a cell phone camera Polybius May 2020 #46
Thanks. n/t Ms. Toad May 2020 #52
The concern was apparently warranted. Ms. Toad May 2020 #63
mask is slipping Nature Man May 2020 #54
It's not a dash cam, it's a cell phone Polybius May 2020 #45
You are correct. The person filming may be the 3rd person the family lawyer was talking about. Kaleva May 2020 #48
Odd question. Kingofalldems May 2020 #33
Not if you have any curiousity at all. Ms. Toad May 2020 #39
I figured that Bettie May 2020 #43
That's a possibility - Ms. Toad May 2020 #50
I saw that after I posted Bettie May 2020 #53
What is even more sickening - Ms. Toad May 2020 #57
That is why I wonder if he was Bettie May 2020 #58
Your question is relevant, despite the hostile replies. Here's the likely answer: Mister Ed May 2020 #42
Thank you! Ms. Toad May 2020 #49
That's just flat-out murderer vercetti2021 May 2020 #36
They "feared for their lives" budkin May 2020 #44
So why didn't they call the cops? Thrill May 2020 #47
Update: Kingofalldems May 2020 #56
It's about time! Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #60
Yes, finally! It's about time someone was arrested. crickets May 2020 #61
And... nothing? sarisataka May 2020 #62

Kingofalldems

(38,456 posts)
4. This is what Trumpism is all about.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:14 PM
May 2020

His supporters have no idea of what conservatism is, they only know Trump hates black people. And they will always support him.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
12. Nothing. You did nothing to earn this hatred.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:25 PM
May 2020

These people are vicious sadistic murderers, eager for excuses to vent their spleen on somebody. Their families teach them that you are legitimate targets.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. These fucking scumbags murderers make me ashamed to be a European American.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:42 PM
May 2020

I am ashamed that we were responsible for the death of millions of Native Americans, and then compounded it with the enslaving and murder of millions of Africans.

Our history is disgusting and reprehensible. God have mercy on our souls because we are going to need it.



tblue37

(65,340 posts)
26. Beware of those who have committed unforgivable crimes against you, because to
Tue May 5, 2020, 08:07 PM
May 2020

maintain their own sense of righteousness, the must now destroy you.That's my "Armageddon School of Moral Philosophy."

Mister Ed

(5,931 posts)
38. Built this nation.
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:22 PM
May 2020

Built this nation with the sweat of your brow and the strength of your soul and the love in your heart.

And it has earned you...this? This indescribable evil?

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
6. This is apparently the case.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:16 PM
May 2020

"Mr. Arbery was killed after the men pursued him while he was running in the Satilla Shores neighborhood just outside of Brunswick, in Glynn County. Neither man was arrested after the slaying, which occurred on Feb. 23 at about 1 p.m."


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia.html

Mister Ed

(5,931 posts)
35. Excerpt:
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:20 PM
May 2020
According to a police report, one of the men, Gregory McMichael, said that he saw Mr. Arbery running through his neighborhood and thought that he looked like the suspect in a rash of nearby break-ins. Mr. McMichael, 64, told the authorities that he and his son, Travis McMichael, 34, armed themselves and began chasing him in a truck.

Mr. Arbery’s family and friends said Mr. Arbery was an avid jogger, and they do not believe he committed a crime before being chased.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
5. Glynn County, which is on the coast.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:16 PM
May 2020

Brunswick is the largest city there, but I don't know if this happened there or some other Hell.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
14. Crooked coppers abound there: Grand jury indicts Glynn County police chief, 3 others
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:33 PM
May 2020

February 28, 2020

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/glynn-county/grand-jury-indicts-glynn-county-police-chief-3-others/227U627UOFBEHJPTGQUYROG7U4/



BRUNSWICK, Ga. — A Glynn County grand jury investigating a scandal involving a former police officer who allegedly had sex with a confidential informant has indicted four current or former police officers, including current Glynn County Police Chief John Powell.

Arrest warrants were issued Thursday for Powell, current Vidalia Police Chief Brian Scott, and former Glynn County police Officers David Haney and David Hassler, according to Mark Spaulding, of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office.

The jury found enough evidence to justify 20 charges, including violation of oath, attempt to commit a felony, influencing a witness, perjury and making false statements to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, according to court documents.


octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
7. The guy who murdered him is an ex-cop. They'll be covering up for him.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:18 PM
May 2020

Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper, told CNN that when she was notified of her son’s death, police told her he took part in a burglary and that there was a “confrontation between her son and the homeowner and a struggle over a gun.”

There have been no charges against the suspects, identified as former police officer Gregory McMichael and his son Travis. The men told police they believed Arbery had been involved in a neighborhood burglary.

“No one disputes that McMichael, son of Brunswick District Attorney’s Office investigator Greg McMichael, shot and killed Arbery, but he was not immediately charged because Travis McMichael claimed he was acting within the scope of a citizen’s arrest,” News4Jax.com reported.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/disturbing-video-emerges-of-modern-day-lynching-of-black-jogger-in-georgia-but-suspects-still-not-arrested/


NBC said Arbery was an ex- football player who jogged every day. These guys saw a Black man running through their neighborhood and decided to shoot him.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. WTF!
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:23 PM
May 2020

Those evil racist bastards should be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives! He was unarmed and helpless! God, that was just horrible.

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
11. There is no evidence
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:24 PM
May 2020

of any burglary. The deceased was a regular jogger in the area. This is just like the Trayvon Martin murder which Zimmerman skated on.

crickets

(25,976 posts)
59. "The deceased was a regular jogger in the area."
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:02 PM
May 2020

And that was his crime - running in an area that someone decided he had no right to exist in.

Horror and hot anger yesterday on first seeing that awful video I could barely watch through my fingers... today is just a tangle of emotions. I can't imagine the anguish Ahmaud Arbery's mother has been dealing with. That no one has even been charged in two months is absolutely unacceptable.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
13. Holy shit! Holy shit! Holy shit!
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:27 PM
May 2020

String up those two racist assholes!!

Edit: It was three of them, apparently, but I'd only seen two white fatties in the video.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
16. No, there are two of them, not three.
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:42 PM
May 2020

The article about police officers indicted is not about the case in the OP.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
24. Okay.
Tue May 5, 2020, 07:10 PM
May 2020

That's what I saw, then later looked at the Twitter comments which were probably unreliable.

Good grief, that's so disturbing in this day and age.

I had some black coworkers in the past who seemed scared to venture out in the wilderness or rural areas, and now I wonder if this kind of crap explains it. Fewer witnesses out there, whereas I feel safe to camp in the middle of nowhere. (More comfortable than being in a big city, in fact.)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
17. I didn't even know about this!
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:42 PM
May 2020

It happened on Feb. 23rd, but I never heard about it.

That video is so infuriating! I wish that I was part of the jury!

Takket

(21,565 posts)
19. looks like he was ambushed to me........
Tue May 5, 2020, 06:57 PM
May 2020

they jumped out of the pickup at him!

burglary my ass. he wasn't even carrying anything, and if you burgled a house you wouldn't run down the middle of the street where everyone can see you!

nope, they saw a black man and decided to kill him.

and the cops covered it up. telling the mom there was a burglary!!!!!!

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
20. It won't even be 24 hours before the "HE WAS NO ANGEL" stories start to
Tue May 5, 2020, 07:00 PM
May 2020

get pushed by all of the Trump-humping scum via social media.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
29. Local news mentioned his arrest back in 2012 for carrying a firearm on campus
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:13 PM
May 2020

"Arbery was arrested in December of 2012 by Glynn County Schools Police for bringing a handgun into the Brunswick High gymnasium during a basketball game. When an officer spotted the .380 caliber handgun in his waistband, the then 19-year-old Arbery attempted to flee.

Arbery was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer."

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/police-report-sheds-more-light-on-satilla-shores-shooting/article_2d7c05c8-36d3-55b5-ae11-60ea763095b3.html

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
25. Looks like cold blooded murder
Tue May 5, 2020, 07:53 PM
May 2020

I've seen no evidence of a burglary. The shooting did not occur on private property and even if there was a burglary the according to the context the shooters were not the ones who's home would've be allegedly broken into. They had no business pursuing this man and absolutely no business shooting him.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
27. This article about the police report doesn't seem to match the video
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:07 PM
May 2020

"Travis McMichael pulled up beside Arbery and again made it known they wanted to talk, the report said. At this point, Travis McMichael exited the vehicle, shotgun in hand.

“McMichael stated he saw (Arbery) begin to “violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun, at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot,” the report stated. “McMichael stated the male fell face down on the pavement with his hand under his body.”"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/police-report-sheds-more-light-on-satilla-shores-shooting/article_2d7c05c8-36d3-55b5-ae11-60ea763095b3.html

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
30. Dash cams are becoming more and more common
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:16 PM
May 2020

Occasionally I'll spend some down time in the evening watching dashcam videos of Russians playing demolition derby on their streets and highways.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
51. Again, take your hostility out on someone else.
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:31 PM
May 2020

You posted the dashcam. If you didn't want it being discussed, perhaps you shouldn't have posted it.

Apparently the person making the video was - at best - duped by the murderers or - at worst - an accomplice. That's precisely the reason I asked the question. From the wobbles, it looked to me like a phone video - not a dash cam. People don't generally wander around on relatively deserted roads randomly taking videos of the drive - so it seems odd to me that the video existed at all.



Polybius

(15,408 posts)
46. It's a cell phone camera
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:31 PM
May 2020

You can tell because it is vertical (dash cams are normal, which is horizontal), and not steady (even when the car is stopped).

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
63. The concern was apparently warranted.
Fri May 8, 2020, 08:51 PM
May 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=91&v=bMOXkb-eCCY&feature=emb_logo

At 5:00: The videographer was apparently attempting to block Arbery on the street, but was unsuccessful. He appears to be involved, as I suspected when I asked the question.

Polybius

(15,408 posts)
45. It's not a dash cam, it's a cell phone
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:30 PM
May 2020

You can tell because it is vertical, and not steady (even when the car is stopped).

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
39. Not if you have any curiousity at all.
Tue May 5, 2020, 09:22 PM
May 2020

Most of us don't drive around randomly filming a pretty boring drive. So when someone randomly filming just happens to capture a murder on video, it is pretty darn logical to wonder what prompted them to video it in the first place.

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
43. I figured that
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:08 PM
May 2020

the driver got a look at the two guys jumping in the truck with guns and followed to see what they were up to.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
50. That's a possibility -
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:23 PM
May 2020

But another response suggests something more sinister (that has apparently been reported on) - potential involvement by the person doing the video-taping (either relatively innocently - helping neighbors, or as an accomplice).

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
53. I saw that after I posted
Wed May 6, 2020, 09:18 AM
May 2020

and it makes me sick to think about this. It makes it seem like this guy was targeted and they planned it.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
57. What is even more sickening -
Wed May 6, 2020, 11:17 AM
May 2020

especially if the man doing the videotaping believed that he was helping catch a burglar - is that it has taken months for this videotape to appear.

It is very obvious from that video that the man is just a jogger, so when you come up onto what is clearly an execution scene you turn the evidence in to the police immediately.

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
58. That is why I wonder if he was
Wed May 6, 2020, 12:59 PM
May 2020

involved in some way or knew that they were going to do it.

All the joggers I know are creatures of habit, so they tend to have a couple of routes they do regularly. So, this was probably not the first time he was jogging there. I think they were watching for him and planned this. Just my opinion.

Mister Ed

(5,931 posts)
42. Your question is relevant, despite the hostile replies. Here's the likely answer:
Tue May 5, 2020, 10:04 PM
May 2020

From the New York Times article at
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia.htm

In a letter to the Police Department, Mr. Barnhill described a video made by a third man who had joined the McMichaels in “hot pursuit” of Mr. Arbery. Mr. Merritt, the lawyer for Mr. Arbery’s family, said he believed that the video disseminated on Tuesday was the same one Mr. Barnhill mentioned.

So, it appears that the videographer was, at best, a neighbor who believed the murderers when they told him they were chasing a burglar, and, at worst, an accomplice to the murder.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
49. Thank you!
Tue May 5, 2020, 11:20 PM
May 2020

That is actually what I expected - that something (possibly being an accomplice) prompted the making of the video tape.

crickets

(25,976 posts)
61. Yes, finally! It's about time someone was arrested.
Wed May 6, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

Faith Abubéy
@ReporterFaith
#AhmaudArbery’s family attorney says he anticipates an arrest in the case today.
@11AliveNews


Odd the tweet only appears to involve one arrest. Hmm.
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