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(72,300 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)malaise
(268,993 posts)What did we do to be so hated?
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)His supporters have no idea of what conservatism is, they only know Trump hates black people. And they will always support him.
raging moderate
(4,305 posts)These people are vicious sadistic murderers, eager for excuses to vent their spleen on somebody. Their families teach them that you are legitimate targets.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I am ashamed that we were responsible for the death of millions of Native Americans, and then compounded it with the enslaving and murder of millions of Africans.
Our history is disgusting and reprehensible. God have mercy on our souls because we are going to need it.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)maintain their own sense of righteousness, the must now destroy you.That's my "Armageddon School of Moral Philosophy."
Mister Ed
(5,931 posts)Built this nation with the sweat of your brow and the strength of your soul and the love in your heart.
And it has earned you...this? This indescribable evil?
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)Is there something with more context?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)"Mr. Arbery was killed after the men pursued him while he was running in the Satilla Shores neighborhood just outside of Brunswick, in Glynn County. Neither man was arrested after the slaying, which occurred on Feb. 23 at about 1 p.m."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia.html
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)Mr. Arberys family and friends said Mr. Arbery was an avid jogger, and they do not believe he committed a crime before being chased.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Brunswick is the largest city there, but I don't know if this happened there or some other Hell.
Celerity
(43,349 posts)February 28, 2020
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/glynn-county/grand-jury-indicts-glynn-county-police-chief-3-others/227U627UOFBEHJPTGQUYROG7U4/
BRUNSWICK, Ga. A Glynn County grand jury investigating a scandal involving a former police officer who allegedly had sex with a confidential informant has indicted four current or former police officers, including current Glynn County Police Chief John Powell.
Arrest warrants were issued Thursday for Powell, current Vidalia Police Chief Brian Scott, and former Glynn County police Officers David Haney and David Hassler, according to Mark Spaulding, of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorneys Office.
The jury found enough evidence to justify 20 charges, including violation of oath, attempt to commit a felony, influencing a witness, perjury and making false statements to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, according to court documents.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Arberys mother, Wanda Cooper, told CNN that when she was notified of her sons death, police told her he took part in a burglary and that there was a confrontation between her son and the homeowner and a struggle over a gun.
There have been no charges against the suspects, identified as former police officer Gregory McMichael and his son Travis. The men told police they believed Arbery had been involved in a neighborhood burglary.
No one disputes that McMichael, son of Brunswick District Attorneys Office investigator Greg McMichael, shot and killed Arbery, but he was not immediately charged because Travis McMichael claimed he was acting within the scope of a citizens arrest, News4Jax.com reported.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/disturbing-video-emerges-of-modern-day-lynching-of-black-jogger-in-georgia-but-suspects-still-not-arrested/
NBC said Arbery was an ex- football player who jogged every day. These guys saw a Black man running through their neighborhood and decided to shoot him.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Those evil racist bastards should be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives! He was unarmed and helpless! God, that was just horrible.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)of any burglary. The deceased was a regular jogger in the area. This is just like the Trayvon Martin murder which Zimmerman skated on.
crickets
(25,976 posts)And that was his crime - running in an area that someone decided he had no right to exist in.
Horror and hot anger yesterday on first seeing that awful video I could barely watch through my fingers... today is just a tangle of emotions. I can't imagine the anguish Ahmaud Arbery's mother has been dealing with. That no one has even been charged in two months is absolutely unacceptable.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)String up those two racist assholes!!
Edit: It was three of them, apparently, but I'd only seen two white fatties in the video.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)The article about police officers indicted is not about the case in the OP.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Don't know since it's all news to me.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)That's what I saw, then later looked at the Twitter comments which were probably unreliable.
Good grief, that's so disturbing in this day and age.
I had some black coworkers in the past who seemed scared to venture out in the wilderness or rural areas, and now I wonder if this kind of crap explains it. Fewer witnesses out there, whereas I feel safe to camp in the middle of nowhere. (More comfortable than being in a big city, in fact.)
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)It happened on Feb. 23rd, but I never heard about it.
That video is so infuriating! I wish that I was part of the jury!
Takket
(21,565 posts)they jumped out of the pickup at him!
burglary my ass. he wasn't even carrying anything, and if you burgled a house you wouldn't run down the middle of the street where everyone can see you!
nope, they saw a black man and decided to kill him.
and the cops covered it up. telling the mom there was a burglary!!!!!!
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)get pushed by all of the Trump-humping scum via social media.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)"Arbery was arrested in December of 2012 by Glynn County Schools Police for bringing a handgun into the Brunswick High gymnasium during a basketball game. When an officer spotted the .380 caliber handgun in his waistband, the then 19-year-old Arbery attempted to flee.
Arbery was sentenced to five years probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer."
https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/police-report-sheds-more-light-on-satilla-shores-shooting/article_2d7c05c8-36d3-55b5-ae11-60ea763095b3.html
bmpbmp
(310 posts)God I'm angry!
standingtall
(2,785 posts)I've seen no evidence of a burglary. The shooting did not occur on private property and even if there was a burglary the according to the context the shooters were not the ones who's home would've be allegedly broken into. They had no business pursuing this man and absolutely no business shooting him.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)"Travis McMichael pulled up beside Arbery and again made it known they wanted to talk, the report said. At this point, Travis McMichael exited the vehicle, shotgun in hand.
McMichael stated he saw (Arbery) begin to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun, at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot, the report stated. McMichael stated the male fell face down on the pavement with his hand under his body."
https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/police-report-sheds-more-light-on-satilla-shores-shooting/article_2d7c05c8-36d3-55b5-ae11-60ea763095b3.html
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Occasionally I'll spend some down time in the evening watching dashcam videos of Russians playing demolition derby on their streets and highways.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)It's an obvious question to ask.
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)This thread is about the killing of a black man.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)You posted the dashcam. If you didn't want it being discussed, perhaps you shouldn't have posted it.
Apparently the person making the video was - at best - duped by the murderers or - at worst - an accomplice. That's precisely the reason I asked the question. From the wobbles, it looked to me like a phone video - not a dash cam. People don't generally wander around on relatively deserted roads randomly taking videos of the drive - so it seems odd to me that the video existed at all.
Polybius
(15,408 posts)You can tell because it is vertical (dash cams are normal, which is horizontal), and not steady (even when the car is stopped).
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)At 5:00: The videographer was apparently attempting to block Arbery on the street, but was unsuccessful. He appears to be involved, as I suspected when I asked the question.
Nature Man
(869 posts)my bad, it's already gone.
Polybius
(15,408 posts)You can tell because it is vertical, and not steady (even when the car is stopped).
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Most of us don't drive around randomly filming a pretty boring drive. So when someone randomly filming just happens to capture a murder on video, it is pretty darn logical to wonder what prompted them to video it in the first place.
Bettie
(16,105 posts)the driver got a look at the two guys jumping in the truck with guns and followed to see what they were up to.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)But another response suggests something more sinister (that has apparently been reported on) - potential involvement by the person doing the video-taping (either relatively innocently - helping neighbors, or as an accomplice).
Bettie
(16,105 posts)and it makes me sick to think about this. It makes it seem like this guy was targeted and they planned it.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)especially if the man doing the videotaping believed that he was helping catch a burglar - is that it has taken months for this videotape to appear.
It is very obvious from that video that the man is just a jogger, so when you come up onto what is clearly an execution scene you turn the evidence in to the police immediately.
Bettie
(16,105 posts)involved in some way or knew that they were going to do it.
All the joggers I know are creatures of habit, so they tend to have a couple of routes they do regularly. So, this was probably not the first time he was jogging there. I think they were watching for him and planned this. Just my opinion.
Mister Ed
(5,931 posts)From the New York Times article at
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia.htm
So, it appears that the videographer was, at best, a neighbor who believed the murderers when they told him they were chasing a burglar, and, at worst, an accomplice to the murder.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)That is actually what I expected - that something (possibly being an accomplice) prompted the making of the video tape.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Find these 2 electrocute the fuck out of them
budkin
(6,703 posts)And... innocent.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)He's not breaking into their home. This is mind boggling
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I hope they're right.
Holy shit, this story is maddening!
crickets
(25,976 posts)Faith Abubéy
@ReporterFaith
#AhmaudArberys family attorney says he anticipates an arrest in the case today.
@11AliveNews
Odd the tweet only appears to involve one arrest. Hmm.
sarisataka
(18,648 posts)I saw somewhere it said the earliest a GJ would convene is June 12