Its going to be Stacy Abrams

[demtenjeep]

why else would they be doing a town hall together?

[jaysunb]

1. If it is , we lose. n/t

[JI7]

3. why would we lose with Abrams as vp nominee ? she would be governorof

of georgia without the cheating .

[redstateblues]

11. Woulda coulda shoulda

We need candidates that can win whatever it takes

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Why?

[jaysunb]

9. There won't be a black person on the ticket.

Especially in this racially charged climate we're in.

She will definitely be in the cabinet, but not on the ticket. It'll be a white woman that some voters will see as possibly the first female president. And I doubt if Ms. Abrams is willing to put herself out there.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Why do you say that? The running mate will almost certainly

be either Black or Latina. Maybe not Abrams but Harris is an especially likely choice.

[jaysunb]

17. I seriously doubt there will a minority on the ticket.

Joe is 78 years old and voters on the edge will be conscious of that, as will donors.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. We've already had one black president. Why can't we have another one?

[Polybius]

28. See post 27

There are racists that gave Obama an exception because of various reasons. They may not make the exception with Abrams.

[DTomlinson]

62. Why will the running mate almost certainly be black or Latina?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

65. Because he's been dropping some pretty strong hints to that effect.

[Dem4Life1102]

89. Harris like Abrams won't help flip any swing states

Plus Harris won't help attract progressives. There are WOC who are better choices.

[msongs]

23. she already said publically she would accept the VP nomination nt

[milestogo]

86. so did everyone else that was asked that question

[Demsrule86]

37. We had a Black president.

[tblue37]

49. ??? She has been openly campaigning to be on the ticket. She's great, but I think it's

more likely to be Kamala Harris.

[womanofthehills]

32. We win - she will bring in the black vote big time

She knows her stuff.

[JI7]

2. lol, based on that maybe it will be Lawrence O'Donnell

[stonecutter357]

4. K&R

[USALiberal]

6. Nope! nt

[cwydro]

10. I don't think so either.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Nope, not this time anyway.

n/t

[Blue_playwright]

45. I agree. ...

... she has a bright future but with Joe’s age, we need an experienced leader on a national level as Veep. I don’t see her ready to take over as president.

I don’t know what to think overall of a POC. There are good points about the people who lost their damn minds about Obama. We likely need some of those folks to soundly beat Trump. But then, if Warren is out because she’s needed in the senate more...I think Kamala is the best contender, personally, so she could trigger them too.

[TheCowsCameHome]

81. Absolutely agree -

...this is no time for OJT. Harris would be a great choice.

[redstateblues]

8. That would be a mistake

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Why?

[Blue_playwright]

46. For me, it's lack of experience...

Joe is old and has had past health problems, we need experience in the Veep slot.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

47. Fair enough. I'd prefer someone with more experience, too.

Abrams is impressive but maybe she needs a little more seasoning. I'm leaning toward Harris or Rice. Warren is of more use in the Senate (and we don't want her to be replaced there by a GOPer).

[Captain Zero]

74. yep

mistake.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. I don't think it'll be Abrams.

I think she lacks experiences. In 2016 that might have flied but Biden is four years older now and I think he'll choose someone he knows can take over if needed.

[Mme. Defarge]

30. Like Mayor Pete,

a potentially great political future, but no political experience at the national level, nor as a state governor.

[bamagal62]

15. I really like Stacey Abrams. But,

I agree. If it’s her, I think we would probably lose. I have nothing to back it up, I just think that not a lot of people know her and its just a gut feeling I have. It just doesn’t feel right. I believe she needs to run for Governor again or Senate.

[tirebiter]

39. She did.

[bamagal62]

94. I said, again.

[Dem4Life1102]

102. Does your gut have a good track record?

Just wondering how accurate your gut has been in the past.

[bamagal62]

106. You've got a point. My gut told me Hillary would win in a landslide.

So, I guess we can’t rely on that!

[demtenjeep]

16. so do you think this is a compatability check?

I honestly think she is on his short list

He has not done a town hall with anyone else

[tinrobot]

19. It's an audition, nothing more. Biden is doing events with many people.

Stacy is probably on the short list, but I suspect the short list has about half dozen other candidates.

Biden doesn't need decide until the convention. He's using that time wisely and vetting as many candidates as he can.

[elleng]

22. Right

[sfstaxprep]

20. His Short List

Abrams, Harris, Warren, Klobuchar, Rice

Personally I think Harris or Warren would be best.

[Demsrule86]

38. Not Warren...she has a GOP governor and brings no states to the ticket...Amy Klobachar would be

better.

[sfstaxprep]

40. But Warren Brings The Far Left

I don't necessarily think the more liberal part of the party won't vote for Biden, but this solidifies it.

Also brings in the top Delegate earner among the Women who ran.

[tblue37]

51. The far left harassed her with snake emojis. nt

[sfstaxprep]

42. Explain Biden

Why did Obama select Biden? Because he brought all Delaware's Electoral Votes?

[Celerity]

56. Baker, the GOP Governor doesn't matter

if Warren did this:

(btw, I am NOT saying it should be Warren, or will be Warren)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/5/1924805/-Vice-President-Warren-It-can-happen-Here-s-how

snip

If she resigns between April 10 and June 23, her seat would be up for a special election held on Election Day to fill the rest of the term. In either case, the winner of the election would be sworn in immediately.

Warren’s resignation also solves a problem. Massachusetts is enduring a massively pointless primary fight between two strong Democrats — Incumbent Senator Ed Markey and Congressman Joseph Kennedy III. If Warren resigns, Kennedy can simply move over and run for this other seat, and everybody’s happy. Whoever Baker appoints would be a serious underdog to Rep. Kennedy.

And it’s not like there’s a lot going to get done that Warren would be able to stop in the Senate the rest of 2020. The Senate has done virtually nothing but confirm judges the whole term.

https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/parti/titleviii/chapter54/section140

Section 140. (a) Upon failure to choose a senator or representative in congress or upon creation of a vacancy in that office, the governor shall immediately cause precepts to be issued to the aldermen in every city and the selectmen in every town in the district, directing them to call an election on the day appointed in the precepts for the election of such senator or representative. The day so appointed shall not be more than 160 nor less than 145 days after the date that a vacancy is created or a failure to choose occurs. Filing a letter of resignation creates a vacancy under this section, even if the resignation is not effective until some later time, but the date of the election to fill a vacancy under this section shall be after the resignation is effective.

(b) If a vacancy under this section is created after February 1 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall not issue the precepts required by subsection (a), except as subsection (c) provides for a vacancy for senator.

(c) If a vacancy is created for senator in congress after April 10 of an even-numbered year, the governor shall issue precepts under this section, unless section 152 requires that office to appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If this section prevents issuance of precepts for senator, the office shall appear on the biennial state election ballot in that year. If a vacancy for senator is created after April 10 of an even-numbered year, but on or before the seventieth day preceding the regular state primary, the precepts shall appoint the day of the regular state primary and the biennial state election for holding the special primary and special election required by this section.

(d) If at the time a senator or representative in congress is elected at the biennial state election, there exists a vacancy in that office, the senator or representative shall also be deemed to have been elected to serve out that vacancy.

(e) A senator elected to fill a vacancy under this section shall serve for the remainder of the unexpired term.

(f) Upon failure to choose a senator in congress or upon a vacancy in that office, the governor shall make a temporary appointment to fill the vacancy; provided, however, that the person so appointed shall serve until the election and qualification of the person duly elected to fill the vacancy pursuant to subsection (a) or (c).

[Green Line]

59. What if Baker decides to run?

He’d win, he’s very popular here

[Celerity]

66. not a chance, not in this environment, especially if Kennedy is the opponent

He would be a vote for 7-2 or even 8-1 hardcore RW SCOTUS if Rump wins again and the Rethugs keep the Senate.

Massachusetts doesn't have a federalised death wish.

[Green Line]

67. Do you live in MA?

Believe me, he’d win. He was popular before this pandemic hit, the way he’s handled it has made him even more popular.

[Celerity]

68. popular as the governor there does not equal out to him winning a in an ultra partisan, contentious

Senate national milieu. MA voters are not insane, plus they would also be pissed he was leaving his post during COVID-19.

Do you really think they would vote in a a possible Trump 51st Senate vote over a Kennedy?

not me

Weld was just as popular (actually he won in 1994 by an even higher % than Baker did in 2018)



and he failed at a Senate run in 1996, and that was in a far less cray cray national template.

[Green Line]

69. It's too dangerous to take the chance

[Celerity]

70. That is not our call. I already stated I am not advocating Biden pick Warren, or even

that he would. I think the argy bargy over the years between the two of them is too great to overcome in Biden's mind, plus, IF Biden serves a 2 full terms, Warren (as VP she would be the de facto frontrunner for 2028) will be even older than Biden is now if she won then.

Warren would turn 80 only a few months after being sworn in for her first term. The country cannot start to have a long run of octogenarian POTUS's. That is madness.

To put it all into perspective, if KAMALA HARRIS (who all say is so young) had run and won NOW, in 2020, she would have been the oldest Democratic first time sworn-in President since Truman, and only TWO others (in the almost 200 year history of our party) would have also been older when they were first elected. James Buchanan (right before Lincoln) and the first Dem POTUS ever, Andrew Jackson in 1828.

[Demsrule86]

83. I don't disagree and would be happy with anyone Biden picks.

[Demsrule86]

82. Can't take the chance. The Senate will be close...and in the early crucial months, we are down one..

Also, Scott Brown won remember...I a am a big no for this reason. And she brings no states.

[Celerity]

93. Playing devils advocate, my previous posts dealt with the chances of us losing

a 2020 Senate race if Kennedy ran for it. This is a completely diffrent environment that when Brown won, and he did not have to run against a Kennedy.

In terms if not gaining states, Warren, by far, would bring out the left HALF (not just the radical left 10, 20%) of the party the most of the 11 or so front runners. We can do well with moderates in Swing states, but if the left half and younger voters and A-A do not surge, it defeats the purpose. Warren polls well with A-A and the younger cohorts, and obviously tge left half of the party.

Again, I am not advocating for Biden picking her. TBH, I am happy with anyone he picks, except for Klobuchar. Klobuchar has the biggest negatives of the 11 or 12 choices with multiple key groups. She polls very poorly (worse that Pete did lol) with PoC, A-A,especially and has a problematic racial justice background. She has temperment issues, not just with employees, but ones that came out in the debates. She polls poorly with younger voters, and would be the most hostile pick of the 11 or 12 to the entire left side of the party. In terms of adding states, I think the whole MW powerhouse is overrated, she did not even do well in IA, and brings little to the ticket in terms if winning FL, GA, NC, TX, PA (the AA vote in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh is key), and NV (she did poorly there as well).

If the old maxim 'first do no damage' is to be followed, then Klobuchar is the weakest pick IMHO (unless we are talking Susan Rice, who would be a spectacular VP and even POTUS, but for Benghazi, which fucking SUCKS, as I love her.) We need a ticket with broad appeal, and Amy is certianly not the strongest there at a multiplicity of levels, be it PoC, age cohorts, ideology, etc.

Warren is deffo not without risks herself. High risk, high reward perhaps. I am not saying she is the best choice, not at all. Michelle Obama is not going to do it, I am still pretty sure. I like Abrams, Whitmer has looked great, Lujan Grisham is interesting, Demmings too, but again, I will be happy with most all, save Amy, and even then (Klobuchar is so NOT a deal-breaker level bad, she just is the most problematic for me strategically, but I still will happily vote for her), if Joe picks her (I think there is a high chance he does), I still will obviously work my arse off over here with expats and then internet groups to help CRUSH TRUMP.

[Demsrule86]

96. I like Tammy Duckworth a great deal also.

I will be happy with anyone Joe chooses.

[Dem4Life1102]

90. Both come from solid blue states

and won't help to flip a swing state. There are better choices.

[elleng]

21. How about, it was MSNBC's idea.

[Pompoy]

99. It was Biden who asked for her to join him n/t

[Hoyt]

24. Supported Abrams for Governor and stayed up all night pulling for her, would

do it again if she were running for Senate.

But, I don’t think she’s best candidate for Prez at this time. Someone with national and global exposure would be great. Harris or Rice would be my preference, but there are others.

[tblue37]

52. I think Harris is most likely, but I like Rice, too. I was for Warren in the primary, but she's

needed in the senate, and we don't want a GOP governor to appoint her replacement.

[smirkymonkey]

25. I love her, but I don't think she is the right choice at this time.

I am still hoping for Kamala. This ticket needs some charisma and some fire. Not to mention someone who is intelligent, well-spoken and kicks ass for a living.

[womanofthehills]

35. Have you heard Stacy speak? - she's really good

Both are great!

[smirkymonkey]

43. Yes, and I think she is wonderful.

I adore her, but I am thinking more like a strategist than a Democrat who would like to have my favorite person in office. Unfortunately, I think we have to go with the most popular, well-known, most charismatic candidate at this point.

[oasis]

26. IMO, when Joe pledged to nominate an AA woman to SCOTUS, his team

had already ruled out an AA for VP.

I look for K. Harris and Susan Rice to serve in Biden's cabinet where he can maximize their talents.

[Polybius]

27. Sadly, there are too many racists

What people don't understand is that racism isn't cut and dry. There are many different levels of racism. There are even some people that voted for Obama twice that wouldn't vote for a ticket with Abrams on it.

[Zeus69]

29. No it won't

[Amaryllis]

31. Susan Rice. He worked with her in Obama Admin. She knows how it works.

[kentuck]

33. It's going to be Kamala...

They met last week.

[DesertRat]

53. I hope so! nt

[SKKY]

79. That's what I'm feeling...

...no real reason why, I just have a hunch.

[MoonRiver]

80. I think so too.

Stacy will get a high ranking position in his cabinet. Secretary of State maybe, although Susan Rice would be perfect in that position.

[PunkinPi]

101. Agreed...

Last week Jonathan Capehart did a Twitter poll (yes, I understand it's an unscientific poll), yet...





Match up of black women potential running mates...



The enthusiasm is lining up behind Harris, along with the requisite resume. Also, folks tend to forget that Kamala is also of Asian American descent and can not only help with black women, but also Asian Americans.

[grantcart]

34. Lol not a chance

She might be offered HUD

[Raine]

36. NO nt

[Lucinda]

41. He's doing things with Kamala and Elizabeth too. Maybe just seeing how he gels with the contenders?

[pink]

44. Too black, too white

a female, too left, too moderate, gay, too old, too young, not experienced. Let me remind you, an orangutan won the presidency in the last election.

[helpisontheway]

48. Love her but she is not the right choice for vp. Nt

[kcr]

50. It's going to be Warren or Harris.

Most likely Warren.

[tblue37]

54. I can't imagine he would want to lose a Senate seat. The GOP governor would appoint her

replacement.

[kcr]

55. We won't lose a senate seat.

[tblue37]

58. If he makes Warren VP, we would. nt

[tblue37]

57. I had to correct the mess autocorrect made of my subject line! nt

[Demsrule86]

84. I don't think so...neither bring anything in terms of geography...so important this year.

[Dem4Life1102]

103. Neither will help win a swing state

There are better choices who can.

[LanternWaste]

104. Do you have objective data pointing specifically to that?

Or simply another allegation (e.g., "history as a prosecutor won’t help attract progressive voters.&quot ?

[Dem4Life1102]

105. Yes

Harris is from California, a solid blue state.
Abrams is from Georgia, a solid red state.

[DTomlinson]

60. A state legislator?

[totodeinhere]

61. Is she even qualified to be president?

She has not held any offices on the national level. I think that having a woman of color on the ticket is a good idea but I would prefer Senator Harris.

[DTomlinson]

64. I want someone whom I'd be comfortable with being President, not just Vice President.

[demmiblue]

63. I think it is going to be Harris (second guess...Whitmer).

[cwydro]

78. I still like Klobuchar.

Any of them will be great.

[quickesst]

71. about the premise....

.... that Joe Biden needs to choose a black woman in order to bring in the black vote.
Why would Joe Biden need a person of color to bring in the black vote when black voters in this country clearly, and by a large majority preferred him over two black candidates. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker?

[Bonx]

72. God I hope so.

[Cicada]

73. Close Georgia poll helps her chances

[Wanderlust988]

75. Here's the question for Joe...Is Georgia worth going after (15 EV's)?

If Joe Biden can win Georgia, he could lose MI and WI and still win the Electoral College.

[Celerity]

98. MI and WI combined are 26 EV's, so trading GA for those 2 is a net 11 points less

If all else stays the same as 2016, we still lose, even if we flip PA.

At that point (your original win GA and yet lose WI and MI)

We need multiple flips, unless we do one thing (and this works even if we also lose PA on top of MI and WI and all esle stays the same save for GA)

Win FL

IF we win FL and GA and simply hold our 2016 Blue states, we win (even if we lose ALL of the rest of the 2016 Red states)

hell, we could even lose NV or NH on top of that (not both) and still win

That all said, odds are good that we win MI (more likely than WI or PA atm)

give us FL, GA, MI, and and its basically impossible for Trump to win

we can lose ALL of the following AZ, NV, TX, IA, MO, MN, WI, PA, NC, IN, OH, NH, ME-2, and NE-2 and Trump still loses.

His ONLY chances to win would be to flip VA or CO (or both obviously) He is massively underwater in both, and the odds are sooooo small that we could win GA and not win VA.

Also, IF we won MI, MN is going Blue. And NV and NH are major reaches for Rump.and NC probably goes Blue if FL, GA, NC and VA do. Again, we do not need ANY of those, as long as FL, GA, and MI goe blue and VA and CO stay Blue. Thereare no other remotely close states that I did not list, All the rest are going Blue or Red 98%.

here is the map to show this (with all those other losses and we just flip GA, FL, MI, hold VA and CO)




pull GA off, make Red, and we still win if we just then also hold MN and only one of NV or NH, (and still flip MI and FL, of course)





FL is THE key as we win if we hold our blue from 2016 (we should) flip FL and then just ONE of either of the 3 Midwest states we lost OR FL plus NC OR FL plus GA OR FL plus AZ OR FL plus OH

win FL and the odds are staggeringly low that Trump sweeps every one of AZ, WI, MI, PA, GA, NC, and OH, he did win all those last time, but he is in big trouble in many, and all it takes is ONE loss and he is fucked, as long as we hold our 2016 Blues


gun to my head final map at the moment (maybe I might add NC soon, maybe WI, but those 2 States are SO CORRUPT)

[JCMach1]

76. It's an audition. Biden said he wanted someone he is sympatico

With ( his words). I think he will be getting to know several contenders better in the coming weeks.

[Codeine]

77. Oh god I hope not.

She’s profoundly unimpressive.

[brooklynite]

85. Maybe an out of town try-out?

[Initech]

87. Not prolific enough.

Plus they got to have someone with a relatively safe democratic district so we maintain that seat. It has to be Warren or Harris, no question.

[Dem4Life1102]

91. Neither will help win a swing state

There are much better choices.

[Dem4Life1102]

88. I'm not so sure about that.

It could be but tonight could just be about a get out the vote effort.

Abrams is not the best choice for VP but also not the worst. She would help energize the African American vote but won't help flip a swing state.

[mercuryblues]

92. I think she is joining the campaign

She will be head of GOTV or Minority outreach. Biden wins, she gets to be head of the civil and voting rights division.

[grantcart]

95. This is still going around?

There are dozens of reasons to do a town hall with Abrams not the least of which is GA is the only state with 2 Senators up for election and when that happens one party almost always takes two.

Abrams has seriously undermined her political profile by not running for either seat and her tasteless self promotion which seeks of the amateur hour. Look at Harris classy non interest for comparison.

A better question is why is Abrams, who is very intelligent, making such an ill advised high profile pincer operation to pressure Biden.

Three possible reasons:

1) She sees it as helpful to Harris

2) she is angling for a cabinet position, she would be great for HUD.

3) There are approximately 20 AA women judges that have enough bench experience to qualify for Biden's already announced AA woman nominee.

Stacy Abrams sister is the youngest and I am guessing SA is using this faux push to leverage to get her sister on the bench.

If Abrams had a chance for the ticket her shameless self promotion ended it, do I am guessing that it is for other reasons.

I have little sympathy for because she could have helped everyone by winning a GA Senate seat.

[radius777]

97. Maybe not Abrams, but an all white ticket won't cut it in 2020.

Whites are underestimating the blowblack from PoC (especially younger PoC) if we get a bland, all-white ticket.

PoC came out for Biden largely due to the fact that he was the 'wingman' of the first PoC president; and the fact that Biden implied from the beginning of his campaign that he would choose a WoC as running mate.

If Hillary had chosen Booker instead of Kaine she wins easily; PoC turnout was down in several key states.

[Captain Zero]

100. Because town halls with her and others gain him votes

His vp candidate must also gain him votes and also lose no votes.