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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:15 AM May 2020

John Brennan: Trump's propaganda & disinformation machine is the most aggressive & odious in history



John O. Brennan ✔@JohnBrennan

.@realDonaldTrump’s propaganda & disinformation machine, which operates according to a despot’s playbook, is the most aggressive & odious in history. It far surpasses even Russia’s ability to trample the truth, harm U.S. security, & undermine America’s reputation worldwide.

7:55 AM - May 14, 2020




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John Brennan: Trump's propaganda & disinformation machine is the most aggressive & odious in history (Original Post) Dennis Donovan May 2020 OP
The machine is well primed and pervasive. dalton99a May 2020 #1
#TRUTH ... Thank you, John Brennan, for putting truth out there! MFGsunny May 2020 #2
This is the strongest condemnation of Trump's despotism I've read from a former CIA director. sop May 2020 #3
Not entirely true, there is ONE precedent FakeNoose May 2020 #4
The machine was in place long before Trump Ohioboy May 2020 #5
Well said. DEbluedude May 2020 #11
exactly. and putin's been feeding it since at least 2008, the way the MIC used it certainot May 2020 #15
K&R! SheltieLover May 2020 #6
If Hitler had Twitter... kentuck May 2020 #7
More and more information is shared via Tweets. FarPoint May 2020 #8
This is what most average Americans cannot seem to grasp. Trump, FOX news, are running a propaganda UCmeNdc May 2020 #9
Yea, we don't buy that crap anymore. Good that they think we do. pwb May 2020 #10
The fascists and methods behind the fascist machine has been constructed over the last 30+ years bucolic_frolic May 2020 #12
Kill Fux Spewz!!! BlancheSplanchnik May 2020 #13
don't need to destroy fox, just the very vulnerable rw talk radio monopoly that feeds it certainot May 2020 #16
True, talk radio is even more ubiquitous than fux. BlancheSplanchnik May 2020 #18
If only the vast majority of American voters understood Martin Eden May 2020 #14
K&R Blue Owl May 2020 #17
In our US History. Cha May 2020 #19

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
2. #TRUTH ... Thank you, John Brennan, for putting truth out there!
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:31 AM
May 2020

Truth to Power ... YES, we the People, ARE listening.

Tragically, even these wise words seem like an understatement of the year.

... propaganda & disinformation machine, which operates according to a despot’s playbook, is the most aggressive & odious in history.


emphasis mine

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
5. The machine was in place long before Trump
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:41 AM
May 2020

Trump is just a piece of the of the machine, a piece the machine has been looking for to complete itself. The machine has been built by scum like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and FOX. Trump was fed and groomed by the machine to believe all its lies and conspiracy theories. He is perfect for the propaganda machine that is destroying America.

DEbluedude

(816 posts)
11. Well said.
Thu May 14, 2020, 09:01 AM
May 2020

His election was the result of the last 40 years of GOP's lies, fearmongering, voter suppression, etc. The list goes on and on. I don't blame trump. Anyone with half a brain new what he was way before he became involved in the political arena. McConnell is more to blame for the state of the Nation. Unlike trump, he is intelligent and has a defined agenda. trump is just an instrument that he uses to further that agenda.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. exactly. and putin's been feeding it since at least 2008, the way the MIC used it
Thu May 14, 2020, 10:57 AM
May 2020

talk radio is the only major medium that operates outside normal free speech feedback, unchallenged, so it's perfect to do the groundwork repetition to establish the lies. i'm beginning to think many of the free speech 'purists' that pretend rw talk radio is an expression of market demand are trolls.

soviets like putin hated voice of america and would have recognized how well rw radio was working here. all he had to do was figure out how to feed limbauagh. i will bet the mueller report redactions have something to do with talk radio.

too bad guys like brennan don't mention tallk radio specifically to get media onto the clues - like asking sam nunberg about when he said he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" and 'reported' to trump in 2014 - the same year a russian troll says they "got a list of topics to write about"

all dems should be pointing to it, but guys llike chris hayes can interview daavid plouffe about media and trump propaganda and only mention fox and sinclair - which a second rate compared with talk radio (the can't lie as much, can't be as racist, can't be locally coordinated, and are actually part of the free speech spectrum).

there's a perfect storm brewing and heading at talk radio and it wouldn't take much activism to dismantle it before the elections
1) limbaugh is likely dying and the ad industry won't be able to replace him - they have to be thinking about what those 600 major stations are going to do (he's the last guy to expect a 'miracle', altho if it has to do with virgins' blood....)
2) all those stations are heavily responsible for enabling the trump COVID treason/incompetence (putin/elections?) that has increased deaths and jobs losses
3) artificial intelligence/transcription advances make it easy and cheap to record transcribe and list advertisers without listening - a stoprush x 100 is possible
4) that will expose not only advertisers but also shame the 87 universities a lot of those stations depend on to keep broadcasting sports on them - to attract advertisers
5) that makes it easy to force the ad industry to have to ask advertisers if they really support covid and global warming denial and trump
6) advertisers will head for the hills - the ad industry wants those ears those stations reach and it will have to preemptively force democratization of the talk radio monopoly to avoid that
7) if it happens soon, and it can, limbaugh and trump will lose their ability to intimidate GOP senators, they lose control of the unified but vastly overestimated trump dittohead base. and they will also have to change their tune if limbaugh and sons aren't there next year to make excuses for the disaster they pushed on us by letting trump go - they can force him to resign or vote him out if dem congress moves again

at this point americans have to assume he'll do anything to win and/or avoid jail. to continue to allow those stations to keep dominating the messaging in 40 states with 80 senators, especially in a national emergency caaused by a covid second wave, or something else, is incredibly suicidal and monumentally stupid for a democracy

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
8. More and more information is shared via Tweets.
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:48 AM
May 2020

Good information but many of us, like myself do not access Tweets...Twitter??

Thus, can't share links....I guess I'm too old school...

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
9. This is what most average Americans cannot seem to grasp. Trump, FOX news, are running a propaganda
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:49 AM
May 2020

operation against the United States.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
10. Yea, we don't buy that crap anymore. Good that they think we do.
Thu May 14, 2020, 08:54 AM
May 2020

Being propaganda they must be spending heavily at Fox, so I won't see it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
12. The fascists and methods behind the fascist machine has been constructed over the last 30+ years
Thu May 14, 2020, 09:02 AM
May 2020

because there were hints of issues and techniques seeded into the press during that time. Trump and Sekulow and Barr didn't just cook this up in the last 4-5 years and say "oh, we'll give it a go if we can get in power." They're not bright enough, not disciplined enough, even if they had models from history to emulate. In other words, there are fascists behind the front men fascists.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. don't need to destroy fox, just the very vulnerable rw talk radio monopoly that feeds it
Thu May 14, 2020, 11:06 AM
May 2020

and talk radio would be very easy to democratize right now - see above

putin loves that the left and dems obsess over fox and ignore the real problem

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
14. If only the vast majority of American voters understood
Thu May 14, 2020, 09:51 AM
May 2020

That Trump is a tool of Vladimir Putin and the greatest threat to American democracy.

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