It is already written: We are witnessing a large scale Jonestown event.

[shockey80]

Thousands of Trump voters who blindly follow Trump are now free to go out and spread the virus among themselves, among their families. Tens of thousands of people are going to get infected, many will die. There are already large outbreaks taking place in rural counties. Georgia is getting hit. Over the next couple of months you will see thousands of Trump voters die because they believe Trump is the savior, the chosen one, he is the only truth.

Trump voters are not just against stay at home orders. They are against taking any precautions. Many of them do not want to wear masks, social distance, because their savior told them so. Trump has told them, drink the poison. They are doing it.

Somebody wake me up. I must be dreaming.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Trump's strategy seems to be 'slaughter my own base'

I don't get it.

[BComplex]

3. I think it makes him feel powerful, because he knows they will literally die for him.

He's so fucked up. But then again, so are the followers who would let him kill them. I guess it makes them feel like real warriors, as he told them.

[shockey80]

5. When you think about, there was no other possible ending for the Trump voters.

When you blindly, unconditional, follow a lunatic, by name only president. You will probably die in the end or at the very least destroy your way of life.

[Eyeball_Kid]

8. What's to "get"?

Trump is a monster. He's killing because HE CAN. There doesn't need to be a rationale. Oh, we can make them up all right. But the simple and crude fact of the matter is that Trump knows that he's killing off thousands and he won't suffer for it because he can always set up another con game to woo the survivors into hanging on to his every tweet. The killing allows him to keep his brand while remaining "president." He can be tough on the virus, you know. He's tough. He can pretend that the deaths are collateral damage, or a little bit of "friendly fire" in the war against a disease. But that means that he holds very little value over life and death (for those who are fodder for his economic recovery), and that his "criminal negligence" amounts to outright killing.

[overleft]

26. He doesn't care as long as the stock market index's rise.

[aggiesal]

28. Pendejo45's strategy is to get everyone back to normal ...

because he thinks the economy will return to normal immediately,
specifically before the election, so that he can go on his Circus Barker Tour
and announce that the economy is doing better than ever.

If that means using his base to force the rest of us to get back
to normal, he will use his base.
We know that his base will get sick. Yes, some will die, unfortunately they
will take some of us, with them, but Pendejo45 does not care.
He needs the economy as close to "back to normal" as he can get
it before the election.

Without the economy humming, he can't claim that his economy works.
Listen during his Circus Barker Tour, we will state, "... before the virus,
my economy was great. The best economy ever. Vote for me and we
will get back to that faster than any other depression ever."

[0rganism]

30. he's not just killing his base

he's got his stooges infecting everyone his base contacts
which means, it's going back to the cities where a second wave can kill more of ... not his base.

looks like the GOP intends to exterminate (or at least attenuate) the urban population of America using this virus, and they will let no attempts at public safety regulation stand in their way...

[Nancy Waterman]

34. Trump's Doomsday Cult

That is what we should call them.

[machoneman]

48. Hey, let's not get in his way, o.k.?

[Jamastiene]

49. THIS

If he wants to kill off his own base, let him. The rest of us just need to stay safe and wait them out. Darwin at work.

[Clash City Rocker]

2. The Kool-Aid must taste terrible now that Trump added bleach to it

[backscatter712]

7. "Drank the bleach" is the new "Drank the Kool-Aid".

[CountAllVotes]

4. I agree

I am now supposed to appear IN PERSON for a medical appt. to have medications that need to be refilled. They did it by TeleMed the last time around but now they want me to be there in person.

I queried them as to why and they said the health insurance I have would not pay for it again.

I do not know if this is true or not.

However, should I become infected and come home with it, my husband will likely contract it and die if he becomes infected as he is over 80 and has hypertension. His chance of death is at 90% given his age and medical issues.

I do not know what to do. It is a wait and see situation I was advised.

Well, I'll tell you something, I'm not going near this dump. The last time I was there, the bathroom had feces all over the toilet.

I have no options as to where else to go as there is a doctor shortage where I live. I will not be able to find another place that will take me as a patient given my DX and medication needs.

So, I have a choice. Do not go back and suffer and die or go and hope I do not contract COVID-19.

[Eyeball_Kid]

10. It's all awful. I'm sad for your predicament. Best of luck and health to you and your spouse. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

13. I am chronically ill

There is no cure for me. They are providing palliative care and that is it other than refilling antibiotics for recurring UTIs.

As for my husband, he is otherwise healthy.

Would you go back if you had no where else to go?

That is where my situation is at. No doctor if I do not go back.

Jonestown indeed!

The stress of this situation is making me sick.

I'd have the DEATH of my husband on my hands!

Good god! What a dilemma indeed!

This is the face of American genocide!

I am not alone. There are many others in this same situation; the chronically ill and the elderly.

[tulipsandroses]

14. I queried them as to why and they said the health insurance I have would not pay for it again.

This is more than likely true. And I am only throwing in more than likely because I am not party to your MD's office. Not getting paid
is a dilemma health care providers are currently dealing with.

[link:https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85990|
Doctors Struggle to Get Paid for Telehealth Visits
— Provider payments vary by states, plans, and shifting policies

As COVID-19 has forced more physicians into telemedicine visits, getting paid has been a struggle, providers told MedPage Today.

Telehealth reimbursement during the COVID-19 pandemic has increased rapidly compared with its previously slow uptake, but providers say they're not being paid to the extent they are being promised -- or anywhere close to the amounts they made with in-person visits. That's partially due to a lack of clear information and inconsistent policies across the country's patchwork of insurance plans.

[CountAllVotes]

47. It is not true

If Medicare pays, the supplemental pays too.

Medicare said they would pay when I called earlier today so we'll see what happens. (?????)

[gristy]

15. When you say "they want me to be there in person" i'm thinking this is just the office people

Have you been able to speak with your doctor about this? I suspect you might have better luck with him.
Absolutely do NOT go in just for a prescription renewal.
Find a new doctor if you need to. One who is willing to write you a prescription after a video checkup.
Search for "on-line checkup and prescriptions" without the quotes.

[CountAllVotes]

16. This occurred to me and this is what I have done

I contacted the insurance company and they did not get it either.

I wrote said provider a letter.

The response was "We don't know where things will be at the end of July".

These people are either incredibly stupid or they want to off the likes of me, that is what I think.

It is disgusting.

I have absolutely NO INTENTION of showing up for the in-person appt. believe me.

The same thing is going on w/my husband.

They have failed to check him out for a long time and claim they were flagged by Medicare and they wanted to do a 'ZOOM' appt. w/him. He doesn't know what ZOOM is nor do I. I downloaded it and I couldn't figure it out.

The insurance company told me they should have provided him with codes to enter on ZOOM. He is almost blind and has a 60% hearing loss due to his time at the beginning of the Vietnam war! He does not know how to type or use a computer!

He was recently directed to the VA are they are blaming the hearing loss on his age, not the fact that he spent 3 years in a tank firing off rounds of ammunition!

I will try again for him to get this to work in any event. If I can't get it to work, we are both screwed. He doesn't care is what he says. I do care and he doesn't seem to have a grip on the reality of this because he is getting senile, that is the reality of it.

Anyway, is it not very clear what is going on here?

It is called genocide!

DAMN these SOB's. Its a two for one hit if I become infected. I could survive but he would have a 10% chance!

I will call them again when I pull myself together after I ingest a few Valiums!

[appalachiablue]

19. How awful the complications you're dealing with now.

Maybe you know DU has a 'computer help & support' group-- it's not in person but maybe someone could help you with setting up Zoom.

I hope things work out, keep in touch here in the meantime.

> Computer Help & Support Group, DU

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1095

[CountAllVotes]

20. Thanks, I had not thought of that

I'll go there and ask for help. I think I had it actually as I saw myself and heard my voice but there was no one to test it with so I didn't know if it was messed up or what?

Thank you again and yes, I'm at the end of my rope.

[appalachiablue]

24. Keep in touch & I hope someone in the DU group

can assist with Zoom, maybe even test it with you. If needed, you could exchange personal emails and info. with them thru the PM (DU personal msg.) feature here.

For help & info:

Seniors Group, DU
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1183

Someone at a senior/elder agency or center could be a contact to test Zoom maybe, if they're working.

All the best!

[gristy]

21. I'm doing my first zoom tomorrow - a social get-together of old friends

The organizer simply sent everyone a link to click on, a meeting ID, and a password. She assures us that we do not need to download zoom onto our PCs.

Any doctor should be able to do something similar for a zoom appointment. That is, they have zoom on their computer, they host it, and they send you a link, a meeting ID and a password, and a meeting day/time. You just click on the link while sitting in front of your PC (which hopefully has a camera).

After tomorrow I'll hopefully be able to confirm that it indeed really was easy.

[CountAllVotes]

23. Oh my. That is very interesting indeed!

Please let me know how it goes and YES, I just bought a used laptop on ebay and it does have a working camera on it. It is a ThinkPad W530.

Thank you and please message me and let me know if this works.

Why didn't they do the same thing for my husband? That is what I would like to know!

[kimbutgar]

40. I've been doing Zoom with a bunch of co workers on Saturday evening for a happy hour since

The lockdown. It took me a while to figure out how to position my IPad but once you figure it out it’s fairly easily.

Just get a meeting ID and put it in. before you go live you can preview yourself and then on the left size of the screen touch gallery view and you got your own Brady bunch screen!

[EndlessWire]

42. He's VA eligible?

I'd switch to the VA. I don't know how far away you are from a VA Medical Center, but you can get all kinds of services from them at low cost.

Not sure if this still exists, but there was a program where you could go to community care and the VA would pay for it.

I have been treated very well by the VA. You can work the system for whatever you need. The only question is what will happen to the VA if Trump is reelected. But it sounds like you are getting dumped by your insurance company.

You can get set up with the VA without giving up your current insurance, but they will probably ask about your situation. Not sure what that means in the total picture.

They can't refuse you care that has been earned by prior service. Getting service-connected payments is difficult, however.

The VA will give you a high standard of care.

[CountAllVotes]

43. No, he should be but he is not

In other words, they fucked him over big time.

They blame the hearing loss on his age. We gave up.

He is covered under Medicare A/B and the same supplemental plan I have which is Anthem Blue Cross.

He was drafted and served an extended tour in fact.

Sickening!

[EndlessWire]

61. Does he have a valid DD 214?

Not saying he can get something for his hearing loss. I'm saying, in general, that it would be way cheaper for the two of you to use the VA.

You should talk to a counselor to find out what's what. I had an $800 prescription that I paid $9/month for. You can't beat that discount. The government can take your SS if you fail to pay, but they won't take it all, and they won't kick you out.

Go get your VA cards. You don't have to use them, you know. Just another option.

Good luck, CAV.

[CountAllVotes]

63. Yes he does

In fact, we just got finished going through this whole thing last year.

I ended up paying for the hearing aid.

The local VA whatever it is was of no help and was the least bit interested in helping him. When they found out he was insured via me they said his age was the problem they figured.

We gave up. He has no way to get to the nearest full hospital some 200+ miles from here and I cannot drive him there as I am in far to much pain to do it.

So, here we are, DD214 in hand. The dispensaries honor it though. They give him 20% off. Other than that, no help. It was a timing thing they explained. Pretty disgusting IMO.

[EndlessWire]

64. Did you enroll?

"If you're the spouse, surviving spouse, dependent child, or family caregiver of a Veteran or service member, you may qualify for health care benefits. In certain cases, you may also qualify for health care benefits due to a disability related to your Veteran's service. Find out if you qualify and how to apply.May 8, 2020"

Did you try to qualify for aid and attendance?

"Once approved for VA health care benefits, all Veterans "shall receive a hearing evaluation by a state-licensed audiologist to determine the need for hearing aids," according to the VA's 2014 directive for eye and ear care. However, not every veteran will necessarily receive hearing aids. As the directive explains (page 1-2), the following veterans are most likely to receive hearing aid care are:

"Those with any compensable service connected disability.
Those who are former Prisoners of War.
Those who were awarded a Purple Heart.
Those in receipt of benefits under 38 U.S.C. 1151.
Those in receipt of an increased pension based on the need for regular aid and attendance or by reason of being permanently house-bound.
Those who have a visual or hearing impairment resulting from the existence of another medical condition for which the Veteran is receiving VA care, or which resulted from treatment of that medical condition.
Those with significant functional or cognitive impairment evidenced by deficiencies in activities of daily living, but not including normally occurring visual or hearing impairments.
Those visually or hearing impaired so severely that the provision of sensori-neural aids is necessary to permit active participation in their own medical treatment."
Page 3 of the directive further explains what levels of hearing loss meets the criteria for an audiologist to prescribe hearing aids in this group.

In some cases, a veteran will not qualify for any hearing care benefits, or will have to pay co-pays. For additional information regarding hearing aid coverage through the VA, contact a representative at the nearest VA medical center to begin hearing loss treatment discussions.

Information on signing up for benefits, ordering hearing batteries, wax guards and other accessories is also found on the VA Health Care's Hearing Aids page."

It is extremely hard to get this extra compensation, to be sure. But, it's worth trying for because even $100 extra a month can be helpful. You can do something with that.

This link may bring you some comfort:

https://www.healthyhearing.com/help/hearing-aids/va

A story: I have used the VA as my medical care provider for years. I am seldom ill, or was, until I came down with severe RA. They treated me with what must have been thousands of dollars worth of testing, then dosed me up with expensive medicines, and fixed me. I will always have RA, but I have been treated well.

Before this happened, I would rarely visit the VA. But, one time I had to visit the ER because I really was sick. Well, this particular facility confiscated my VA card and issued me a red one, meaning I could ONLY visit the ER, and otherwise would receive no more care. How rude!

I went to another facility in a different city, told them my sad tale, and they said, "What nonsense!" and they promptly issued me a new, full service card. There I was, back in business.

I'm only telling you because sometimes it is a matter of who you are asking, and perhaps not the actual rule. You won't know until you try. Just dig around a bit.

I'm a veteran in my own right, but so was my mother. When she had her end of life stuff going on, the VA provided her with discounted home care nurses for several hours a week, which was to give me respite.

Remember, Google is your friend. Try again? Good luck!

[CountAllVotes]

18. My situation is not unique

I have MS and I've never been on the pricey MS drugs.

So, a neurologist will not see me where I live as they reserve their time for those that want the drugs.

I see a nurse who works under the auspices of an M.D.

I will contact the M.D. next after I collect more facts re: this situation.

I am on controlled medications for severe peripheral neuropathy from the disease multiple sclerosis. They don't want me as they do not make much money off of me.

It all boils down to the almighty buck I am convinced!

Greedy bastards.

Anyone that complies with such polices (and yes this is a Federal rural heath clinic so you know who boss man is Dr. tRUMP is who)!

[CountAllVotes]

22. Thank you.

If I don't get the medications that I take refilled, I will die.

They know this already.

If I was on my own, I'd be leaving the country right now for good as I have an extra passport, the only thing I've got going for me but Americans are not being allowed into many countries due to the pandemic so ... I may be dead already thanks to them.

[CountAllVotes]

46. I'll go to the doctor next

If they won't do TeleMed again and I have been told my both Medicare and the supplemental plan that they WILL pay being the lock-down has been extended, I will say DOCTOR and the DOCTOR will have to deal with me.

The nurse works for him. He is the one in charge of the place.

Keeping my fingers crossed for now and seems husband won't have to go as I have ZOOM ready to go. The laptop I bought on ebay does have a camera on it that works so they will call and give me a code and it should be good to go.

I knew I bought a Windows 10 computer for a reason! It was $190 for a ThinkPad W530.

[aggiesal]

29. Buy a HAZMAT suit and go to your doctor wearing it. ...

Maybe that MIGHT give them an clue, probably not.

[CountAllVotes]

37. +1,000!!!

problem solved *well sorta*

[Takket]

39. Did you call your insurance company?

[CountAllVotes]

44. I'm still in the same boat

I called the insurance co. up and they told me to call Medicare. I called Medicare and they said they would pay, yes.

Why they are doing this I do not know.

I was advised to go to another doctor. They sent me the same old same old list. Nothing new at all.

So unless they change the policy, and they might as the lock-down was extended another 3 mos. I was told, the 3 mos. is up the day after my appt. is scheduled. If they won't do a TeleMed, I will not go.

As for ZOOM, I got that one figured out. He has his "well person physical" on Monday so he is covered for now.

I'm still the problem as it now stands.

[EndlessWire]

41. Because they're only refills

Tell your doctor your fears. See if they will do a kind of drive-by appointment. Maybe you can preanswer standard questions. Something like that.

Set yourself up with a change of clothes and fix yourself up before entering your residence. Spray everything.

Or, you could spray your way to your shower. Scrub up and have your change of clothes ready in advance. Leave your shoes outside the door. for a couple of days in the sun. Bag your old clothes and wear gloves while you are washing them. Run disinfectant through your machine afterwards.

I vote (not that it's my business) for you to go get your meds. Keep yourself going. There's no guarantee that you'll get the virus. But if you run out of your personal meds, you could get sick from that.

Best of luck to you!

[CountAllVotes]

45. Thank you!

Its a wait and see situation is what I think. Being my appt. is not until July 30, I will try to get it resolved to MY satisfaction beforehand.

I was advised by the health ins. not to go after I told them about the feces all over the bathroom at the place. They agreed, I may have picked up another UTI that day when I was there to see if the one I had was indeed gone! again!

Luckily I have a fair sized stash on hand. That's all I'll say for now. *eek*

[duforsure]

6. republicans have their own Jim Jones

Asking his followers to drink their kool aid. Watching them going out is disturbing, and wonder what excuses he'll have this time for killing them. He'll blame someone, he always does.

[nykym]

9. Let's call it

The tRUMP Rapture.

[sop]

11. You're not dreaming, Trump's followers are.

This isn't like other dire warnings people typically ignore, where consequences often take years to appear. With this virus the infections and deaths will begin to appear in weeks. How will these folks convince themselves there is no causal relationship? How many have to die before they wake up? And how will Trump spin it when they finally do wake up?

[procon]

12. Wait for this to finally sink in with Trump.

He'll go into a rage and blame democrats for killing off his voters. Mark my words, he certainly won't take any responsibility himself.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Sorry, I no longer give a fuck about them. If they want to self-immolate that's on them.

.

I just worry about the innocent people and those who are trying to be vigilant getting caught up in their acts.

.

[lostnfound]

35. Easy for one person to infect 30 directly in a single evening. Nt

[TheBlackAdder]

36. That's why people need to be vigilent and not let their guard down.

.

I saw my sister, in person, for the first time today in months. She lives 2 miles away and stopped by.

We both stood our distance and she kept a mask on.

.

[Jamastiene]

51. Yes. I worry about innocent bystanders.

If they want to taunt this virus right in the face, they are going to, whether we like it or not. All we can do is try to stay as safe as we possibly can and see what they do to themselves.

[Nitram]

54. When I see people in public not wearing a mask I give them a wide berth. I certainly wouldn't stop

to talk to them under any circumstances.

[Jamastiene]

55. I haven't left the house much since this started, but one of the few times I did, I

had an incident where I was purposely standing 6 feet behind another customer in a store to keep my distance and another person came walking over, with no mask on, and stood right in front of me, less than two feet away. Not long after that, several more people came in and did the same exact thing. Not a single one of them was wearing a mask.

It was like reverse Whack A Mole. I kept having to move to keep the 6' rule because people kept breaking it.

[Nitram]

66. Morons.

[totodeinhere]

60. Even if they are wearing a mask be careful. Masks are better than nothing but they aren't foolproof.

That virus is so small that it might be able to pass right through a mask.

[Nitram]

67. I'm not paranoid about viruses penetrating two masks at a distance. The odds are

1. Neither of us has the virus.

2. If one of us does, one mask should suffice as far as supressing the expulsion of a cloud of the virus with each breath or even a sneeze.

3. A cloud of coughed viruses disperses very quickly, getting thinner exponentially as seconds pass.

I grew up in third world countries and have never been very germ-phobic. I boil the water if it is dangerous to drink, but I don't live in constant fear of germs crawling over surfaces and polluting the air I breathe.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. When they pass, they should be purged from the voter rolls

Otherwise the Republicans will be casting ballots in their place in November.

[world wide wally]

27. Now they are starting their own epidemic inside a pandemic.

That will show them libs!

[CaptainTruth]

31. The Branch Covidians

[Ford_Prefect]

32. The Zombie Apocalypse is happening right now!!! Beware, they will infect everyone!!!

They have no brains!!!

[Dem4Life1102]

33. Captain?

[NNadir]

38. They will, of course, take innocent people down with them in their mass suicide but...

...Trump voters themselves will not be missed by human beings.

There are some in my extended family, to be sure, and while I have loved them in spite of all this, they have lived by the sword and will die by it.

[Lord Ludd]

50. Culling the herd

[Aussie105]

52. Need to print these:

Lots of them!

[Nitram]

53. I think you're right about this. We are about to see a large real world example of Darwinian

selection in action. The prudent and well-informed "snowflakes" will survive and the ignorant live-free-or-die "warriors" will die.

[BigDemVoter]

56. Not to mention spreading it to ALL of us.

With Jonestown, at least those fools all CHOSE to go to Jonestown in the 1st place--well, not the children. . . But this time, we will ALL be affected, as we never chose to follow this dumb orange motherfucker ANYWHERE. Open up for the forced koolaid.

[mercuryblues]

57. Drinking the bleach to prove their loyalty

is their final test to to be worthy of their idol.

[marlakay]

58. Its insane. Just drove by a protest in my town Medford

On the way home from dropping off my ballot, our primary in OR is all by mail or drop off place and is in a few days. As I drove past our county court house hundreds of people were gathered close together no masks, holding signs about freedom and all I could think is WTF they just opened up a bunch of stores, restaurants, bars, etc this weekend, I guess they hate rules come with opening!

I came home and told husband we are going to have to be more careful now. I just hope we don’t start getting more cases of covid, they let us do phase one opening because our county only had 50 cases.

[totodeinhere]

59. The problem is that those Trump voters will also go out and infect everybody else.

So it's not just the Trump voters. That virus doesn't care if you voted for Trump or Clinton. It's an equal opportunity killer.

[GulfCoast66]

62. Now is the first time I'm thankful the wife and I are furloughed and not getting a paycheck

I hope we are all wrong and the next month does not see a huge spike. But I’m doubtful. I fear where we will be in mid June.

Now I’m happy we can pick and choose when and where we go. If we were working we would have little choice.

And since we work for the company in Florida that is the most problematic to reopen I fear these assholes will make my Furloughed time stretch longer.

We can get things reopened. But only if everyone wears masks and works hard to distance. But too many Americans are too stupid or selfish to do so.

[AntiFascist]

65. Fewer Trump voters in November...

no wonder they are desperate to eliminate vote-by-mail.