Total insanity/stupidity in Wisconsin

[Cyrano]

The Democratic governor of Wisconsin tried to keep the state closed down. The Republican supreme court of Wisconsin told him to go fuck himself and opened up everything.

One piece of video I saw this morning crashed through insanity into the alien bar in the original "Star Wars."

The clip showed a bar that was open, people sitting next to each other, downing beers and shots, with no masks. It looked like it was last December, except that the mindless beings sitting there were completely ignoring reality, danger, and a possible infection they could spread to others. And they're totally ignorant to the fact that the can take it home to their families and infect countless others.

Here's an absolute truth. There's no cure for stupid.

[Moostache]

1. It is obvious - the coronavirus data changed the response completely

A month ago, we had no demographics on the race, ethnicity or financial station of the majority of victims from the virus.

We had an exponential curve of infections and deaths in New York City, and as long as the dead were just that - dead Americans - it scared a lot of people into compliance with the necessary steps to mitigate this disaster, albeit too late to save thousands from unnecessary deaths or life changing illness.

Then it came out...COVID-19 kills more minorities than whites, it kills far more economically disadvantaged than wealthy, and it seems to be 'someone else's problem' because people want to believe that.

There is no cure for stupid indeed, but stupidity fueled by racism is what we really have before us, not that it helps solve the problem.

[barbtries]

10. you're right.

also the nursing homes, meat packing plants and prisons. those people don't matter. they're not me. i need a haircut and to hang with my buds at the bar now.

[7wo7rees]

29. Let's call them all the same thing.

Aren't nursing homes and meat packing facilities also prisons?

Their genetic makeup is nearly identical. Institutions where rich white America shoves off the disposables: elderly, black, and foreign.

But now! It's coming for the neanderthals that vote that way. How long before we see a GOP Covidiot from Congress (or -gasp!- the White House!) succumb?

[hunter]

19. It kills those who had the first severe exposure to it. The rest follow...

... starting about now.

[Blues Heron]

2. Build a wall around that state

they can't be allowed to infect the rest of us.

[Cyrano]

3. There are millions of sane, decent people in Wisconsin

This is a state that Republicans have stolen from the sane. No one wants to see them become victims of a horrid minority who don't get it and never will.

[barbtries]

11. here in NC,

same story. i feel your pain. Eight counties are advocating for Gov Cooper to give them a waiver so they can reopen now. As if the people in that county will stay in that county.

[LakeArenal]

34. Wisconsin is the Petrie dish of what Pukes are trying to do to all of the US.

You better build that wall around yourself.

[KPN]

4. You are wrong. There is a cure for stupidity.

It’s called a pandemic.

[BComplex]

6. I'm thinking this pandemic is going to take out a bunch of them, too.

It will raise the national IQ average by about 20 points.

[Cyrano]

7. Really?? Over 80,000 dead doesn't indicate a stupidity cure

[KPN]

18. No, of course it doesn't. But what's happening in Wisconsin will ultimately cure

it; either by ultimately eliminating most of us or enough of the stupid (and, unfortunately, many of the rest of us) that the "stupid" once and for all can be squelched.

[0rganism]

9. so far it seems more symptom than cure

when's that all supposed to turn around?

[notdarkyet]

12. Cure death

[Peacetrain]

5. My heart goes out to the people who will die because of these nimrods on their supreme court NT

[OAITW r.2.0]

8. When the results of this ruling reflect the reality of exponetial growth

in new cases with health providers unable to deal with the new cases...how does Michigan's governor deal with issue? Is the Republican majority on the SC now calling the shots?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Hard to know. If we make simplifying assumptions we can do some arithmetic:

R0 for Covid-19 is 3.8 to 8.9. If we assume 4 near the low end, each infected person infects 4 people. As a guess maybe they are generally infected by day 5, but some sooner, so let's assume they all get infected on day 5.

Let's further assume that once a member of the general population is infected the R0 is lower because 80% are self-isolating, something like 1.5, which I think means that there is a 50% chance they infect someone else.

Wisconsin has 5,000+ detected active cases, a rate of about 1 per 1,000 people. Assume that 5 times as many are not detected., so 5 per 1,000.

If 3% of the population goes out to bars and restaurants and stores and theatres and salons and other social settings, that is 150,000 people.

So that's about 5 x 150 = 750 presumed actives who will infect about 4 each so 3,000 new cases on day 5, of which about 600 will be detected within by about say 10 days after (3-7 days to see symptoms, 3 days round trip for results).

Then on day 10, about another 50% = 1.5 x 3000 = 4500 cases of which about 900 will be detected say 10 days after.

So there could be about 1500 new cases detected (active), increasing case load by about 20% in 15 days, over and above the already existing increase (about 300 cases per day). So 100 extra per day soon, perhaps.

But it could be much worse. The percentage going out could be higher than 3%, could be 15%. R0 might be higher. There might be a higher number of undetected but infectious cases.

If we assume 15% go out a couple of times or more for various reasons in the next few days, R0 = 6, and R0 = 2 for general population, and 10x actual versus detected cases, then we get 750 K covidiots, 7,500 presumed actives infecting 6 each = 45,000 new cases on day 5 of which about 4,500 would be detected with in 10 days. Then on day 10 another 90,000 new cases of which about 9,000 would be detected in 15 days, adding 13,500 to the detected cases. So the number of cases might double in 10-12 days.

Lots of assumptions and some guesses.

[Wellstone ruled]

13. As some one who has

dozens of elderly relatives on the North west side of Wisconsin,and with their Conservative nature,sad to say,the notices will come. It is just a matter of time.

[murielm99]

42. My mother lives in Wisconsin.

She is 91, and lives by herself. Neighbors look out for her. Her pastor does as well.

I tried to call her today. She did not answer. I hope she was only outside in her yard.

If anything happens to her, it would be unlikely that we could get there. My brother, my husband and I are all high risk. We don't want to go to Wisconsin! I have been running a temperature for two days and staying inside. Everything is terrifying.

[Wellstone ruled]

43. We let them know,

we will not be making any trips into the Midwest until this Virus quiets down.

With all the Casino's open as well as the Bars and Lake Resorts,just what could possible go wrong? No need to answer my own question,the facts will do that.

[npk]

14. I guess they will say they died doing what they love

Getting drunk and wasted. Aint America grand.

[lindysalsagal]

15. Not to make lite of the deaths and those who are grieving, but if I were honest here, online,

I'd admit that this is starting to feel downright darwinian to me.

Sometimes I wonder if we're causing a cataclysm of overnight grey matter pruning. Are we culling the herd?

When you ponder the global human condition, those who are scientific, and wealthy, will remain to reproduce. Their elders will remain to assist them raising the next generation and provide for those still reproducing.

This is large enough to qualify as a sorting of our species. I wonder what real scientists will eventually say about this.

[elias7]

32. What I don't get is why Trump would want to put his base at risk

He’s encouraging the behavior and Trump voters will die, both the dumbasses in t(e bars as well as the elderly they infect. Is this not cutting into his vote totals?

[Mr.Bill]

39. I actually think he's planning to stay in power

because one way or another there will be no election in November. Of course he's wrong, because he will cease to legally be president on January 20th if there's no election. The terms of both he and Pence will expire unless he is reelected. And that makes Nancy Pelosi the President.

That's one of many ways things could go, anyway.

[lindysalsagal]

16. I feel for the hospital workers who are going to get run over by this next wave.

[Augiedog]

23. One of the women interviewed in the bar was a nurse. Who would want her attending them now.

[DSandra]

17. On the bright side...

Just look at this video and you will see what I’m thinking...

It’s too bad that the idiots can’t contain the deaths to just themselves.

[scarletwoman]

21. Wow! That's a cool video - never heard of that study, glad to know about it.

Unfortunately, in U.S. society at least, it appears that the aggressive, obnoxious elements are on the upswing - the opposite of breeding out.

[crickets]

24. That is fascinating. Thanks for posting it! nt

[relayerbob]

45. Fascinating, thank you

Hopefully humans are more, um, intelligent, than baboons? Not sure I'll hold my breath on that one

[quakerboy]

20. Not ignornant

Theres a difference between not caring who you kill and not knowing your actions may kill.

[Ford_Prefect]

22. When we're all in the same lifeboat and someone panics putting the whole group in danger

the person in charge of the boat has a decision to make: Let the panicked one tip the boat over and drown everyone, or thrown them overboard.

I'm not in favor of shortening anyone's life arbitrarily but I feel like we are reaching that same moment when tolerance might need be over-ruled by survival of the rest of us.

[Cyrano]

26. So will an honorable secret service agent throw Trump overboard?

One can only hope.

[Ford_Prefect]

31. I'm thinking of the maniacs who are putting the rest of us at risk by not wearing masks, or

group parties, or threatening to remove My mask, or insisting that going back to work is more important than sorting out what is actually safe to do.

Here's my thesis on the matter at hand:

If you want to breathe the same air as I do then I am going to insist that you do so safely whether you agree with me or not. If you cannot agree to that then I may need to make a more assertive or even authoritarian response. If you take my mask or threaten my family I may choose to defend them or myself in ways you do not expect. I do not recommend that you try since you will certainly find the result far more alarming than you imagine.

[Alex4Martinez]

27. Is this the clip?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2375412152756089

I know, facebook, will look for other source.

Link to tweet

Twitter!

[Alex4Martinez]

28. PS 72 in Wisconsin have Covid-19 after attending "large events"...

here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-wisconsin-protests-test-positive-department-of-health-services-a9509486.html

[Initech]

30. There is, you could down a couple shots of bleach and it's all good!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

33. I'll take my shot of bleach with a Lysol chaser

Corona Boilermaker.

Cheers!

[Politicub]

36. And stop by Spencer Gifts to buy a black light to ram

up their ass or down their throat.

[Politicub]

35. It is remarkable to watch.

I can’t get through my head how anyone could be so careless when there is a highly contagious virus killing people indiscriminately.

It’s like trying to understand the motives of a psychopath: because they are acting so irrationally, there isn’t a way for a sane person to empathize with them. And it’s a waste of time trying.

[hadEnuf]

38. They are psychopaths.

[hadEnuf]

37. Screw 'em.

Let them sit there and cough into each other's mouths while sputtering "fake news".

Why waste time and effort trying to save these complete assholes from themselves when all you will get are insults and be spat on?


The adults in their lives should know better too, but I feel bad for any kids these dingbats may have around them.

[machoneman]

40. Used to drag race cars at the semi-pro level years ago....

at Union Grove, WI. When not towing from home in IL, we went to my parent's lakeside place at Lauderdale Lakes,WI. Both are S/SE of Milwaukee. This was for almost 30 years in total, each Spring/Summer/Fall.

Point is: I knew and still know WI and many of its residents and deadly habits vey well.

One always had to avoid driving on pretty much any road in Southeast WI after say 10:30 pm. on a Friday or Saturday night. So many total drunks leaving bars from that time until closing....or dawn! No kids btw. These were farmers, blue collar workers, small office workers. Non-drinking locals also knew this and advised folks of the same. Way too many serious and oft deadly accidents, some even where a fellow would wander out of a local bar on foot to cross a road to get to his car and get hit by another drunk driving his car!

Sad to say bit nothing surprised me to see those packed bars in WI, near Madison it seemed, right after the WI SC's lifted all orders.

[Blue_true]

41. The last place that I would go into now is a bar, masked or not.

People get tipsy and start talking loud and shooting spittle over everything. No way!!!!

[nwliberalkiwi]

44. There's no cure for stupid

Yes there is. Just wait!!!