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Honestly, what's wrong with people?
So, every so often I go in my car to take care of crap like hitting the Post Office or the take out windows. I'm staying home mostly.
This means that I have to observe what other people are doing, just so I know. Also, these strangers are comforting to me.
But, G-d Almighty, some stuff I see seems so stupid.
Parents wearing masks while letting their children go bare. What is their point? They should go bare, too, because surely they won't want to live after their children come down with this virus because they didn't make them wear a mask.
Don't they know how
stupid they look?
And, just because they can go bare doesn't mean they have to do it.
What are they doing? Do they think they are wearing the masks for their children? Man, oh man...
marybourg
(12,631 posts)that age some children, especially, but not exclusively, those on the autism spectrum can't or won't tolerate anything covering mouth and nose. A little toleration goes a long way in these trying times.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)is a fine thing under normal circumstances. These are not normal times.
kcr
(15,317 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)We wear masks to protect others from us. Thats why I find this infuriating. Im protecting others from me, who is house-bound 24/7 ( thank God for our backyard where we can sit and enjoy the day).
It really bugs me that some folks dont care enough about other people to wear a fucking mask.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)"Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-surgical-masks-good-respirators-flu.html
"Yes, a surgical mask can help prevent the flu, Sherif Mossad, MD, an infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, tells Health. Flu is carried in air droplets, so a mask would mechanically prevent the flu virus from reaching other people. It would work both ways, says Dr. Mossad, preventing transmission of the flu virus to others and for keeping a mask-wearer from picking up an infection.
Surgical masks to prevent the flu can be found in major drugstores and online, and yours doesn't need to be fancy to help. A simple disposable mask is fine, just be sure the packaging notes that it protects against airborne particles, Susan Besser, MD, a family medicine doctor with Mercy Personal Physicians at Overlea in Baltimore, Maryland tells Health. And splurge for a value-sized pack. Disposable is best and you should discard your mask after each use, says Dr. Besser. If a mask gets wetand it will by simply breathing into itthe effectiveness of its protective effect is reduced."
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/surgical-mask-flu-prevention
"One study shows that when there's a sick family member in the house, other family members could cut their risk of getting sick by 60% to 80% by using face masks consistently and correctly -- in combination with frequent hand washing and avoiding close contact with the sick person."
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-h1n1-and-face-masks#1
"Donning a face mask either a surgical mask or a P2/N95 respirator mask (high particulate filter mask) boosts protection from severe respiratory illnesses such as influenza and SARS, say researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW). These masks are not necessarily the same as the dust masks that some people use when cleaning or doing construction work.
In the study, adult mask wearers in the home were four times more likely than non-wearers to be protected against respiratory viruses, including the common cold."
https://www.livescience.com/7661-masks-protect-colds-flu.html
"Not so for the World Health Organization or the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
They collectively recommended regular surgical masks except in high risk circumstances, such as during open suctioning of airway secretions and other procedures that could "aerosolize" the H1N1 virus."
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278"
"According to a study published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, families with kids who had flu-like symptoms and used the masks properly were 80% less likely to be diagnosed with the same thing.
Another study looked at 400 people who had the flu found that family members who wore a surgical mask and washed their hands reduced their chance of getting the flu by 70%.
Individual brands of masks and that sort of thing hasn't been studied, but the few studies that have looked at them do have an effect in some studies, up to 50 to 80% reduction in transmission, UW virology expert Alex Greninger said. They seem to stop large droplets, and I think the other key thing to mention with masks is that it really depends on what you're willing to wear.
Coronavirus is most commonly spread through the air by coughing or sneezing or though close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands, according to the Washington State Department of Health.
While masks do seem promising, it's also important to utilize other preventive measures. Make sure you wash your hands often during flu season, especially if you're around others who may be sick. Also, be sure to get your annual flu shot to protect yourself and others from spreading the virus."
https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/surgical-mask-effectiveness/281-9c762e52-c2ec-4dec-b5f3-77ee833fca1e
"At the start of flu season in the last two years, participants were randomly assigned to six weeks of wearing a standard medical procedure mask alone, mask use and hand sanitizer use, or a control group with no intervention. Researchers followed students for incidence of influenza like illness symptoms, defined as cough with at least one other characteristic symptom such as fever, chills or body aches, Monto said.
From the third week on, both the mask only and mask/hand sanitizer interventions showed a significant or nearly significant reduction in the rate of influenza-like illness symptoms in comparison to the control group. The observed reduction in rate of flu-like symptoms remained even after adjusting for gender, race/ethnicity, hand washing practices, sleep quality, and flu vaccination."
https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-washing-prevent-spread-of-flu-like-symptoms-by-up-to-50-percent/
miyazaki
(2,243 posts)Thanks.
Cha
(297,222 posts)not protect those who wear them.. I always read that it did.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)Cha
(297,222 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)I didnt realize. Whats all the hub-bub about x95s for?
Having this discussion with my sister just the other day.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)of our dealings with COVID-19 is written... My own reaction when I see a masked parent with a
masked child is "Now there's a parent that LOVES THEIR CHILD"!
JI7
(89,249 posts)or keep them on .
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)granddaughter to the store, I put it off as long as I could, my DIL was pregnant and admitted to the hospital unexpectedly. She had an absolute meltdown about the mask, I had to bribe her to get it on her.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)I see kids wearing them. Even kids that look K-3 age.
If they don't have them, parents don't either. But, I stores, I've seen very few "resistors".
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)I know what they are like.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)I wouldn't expose my kid to any of this. It is stupid. Parents need to protect their children. They are not there to be custodians, but to love and care for them. This is my opinion, of course. I could be wrong, but probably not.
Have a nice day.
Laurelin
(526 posts)I've seen some statistics that may show that children actually don't catch SARSCov2 at very high rates. And as their breath volume is much smaller than adults, they're possibly not spreading it much. I don't honestly know, but if the parents are wearing masks, maybe it's best to assume the parents are trying to make their best decisions for their children's, and others', welfare.
Again, I don't know. But I'm not sure anyone does. Keep your own distance from unmasked people, sure, but in this case I wouldn't assume the parents are stupid or malevolent.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)CV-19 is not the flu. And now we have something that is affecting only children. Every time we think we know about CV-19, we don't. This new version of the virus doesn't have a name yet. I think they are calling it a "syndrome."
Everybody do what you want. But, there's a reason for the precautions. It's one thing to go to a store and see if you get in, but it's another to play with your children outside without precautions, especially when you are demonstrating an awareness of the need for PPEs.
Perhaps I have been harsh. I just don't want any more dead people. And, these people who are congregating together in denial of this problem ARE stupid.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)JHC, don't assume they know what's best for MY welfare...although this wasn't originally a discussion about that.
womanofthehills
(8,706 posts)You can always get your toddler/baby a hat with a face shield.
I m getting so tired of reading on here that a mask will not protect me when it obviously will.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)the cloth ones offered are only as good as whatever you can slip into the pocket that some of them have. But, they are better than nothing.
Front line medical people need N95 masks, period. These are the PPEs that can protect against viruses for the most part. I think that we don't even know if THEY are good enough to protect. But, they are certainly top of the line.
That is why Jared and FEMA are stealing them, and have no intention of supplying you or I with such a mask.
The Orange Turd had plenty of time to gear up and get every last one of us a pandemic mask. I am furious over his handling of this crisis, and I think that stealing PPEs from people who have ordered shipments should be a hangable offense, or at least a sentence of 25 to life.
It sickens me when I read that some otherwise healthy individual gets exposed in a big way and then dies two weeks later. It's not acceptable. There is no way in hell that Donald Trump should be reelected to the position. He is incompetent.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Homemade masks are generally more than 50% as effective as N95s - some as high as 90% as effective.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)50%, and 10%. And, you left out surgical masks. I am not looking that up for you.
This is what I said:
"The cloth ones offered are only as good as whatever you can slip into the pocket that some of them have. But, they are better than nothing."
I wore masks for 25+ years. I have worked for thousands of hours wearing these masks. I wouldn't want to trust my health on any mask that can't match the N95; further, a lot depends on what is slipped into the pocket. And plain masks can't cut it.
This is why I am furious with Trump and his sycophants. And, I am ashamed of FEMA for stealing the masks that our medical and hospital staffs require.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)The masks 50% to 90% as effective as an N95 mask with nothing slipped in the pocket.
Your opinion was that they are only effective as what is slipped in the pocket. That opinion clashes with the research, which establishes that they are at least half as effective - and some as much as 90% effective tested with NOTHING in the pocket.
I would prefer not to trust my health to anything less than an N95 mask, either - BUT - since those aren't available I at least want people required to wear something that is at least 50% as effective - and potentially 90% as effective. When the message conveyed is that is that they are not effective at all (or not effective at all unless there is something in the pocket), it gives the idiots in Ohio who are not required to wear a mask ammunition to justify their irresponsible behavior.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Over it. I followed her for an oil change. She got out of her car, no mask. I promptly began yelling at her in public.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)You worked too hard to get her to that ripe old age! She can just do what you want, and her hinney isn't too tall for you to still reach!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So they don't have kids wear masks.
It relates more to how misinformed people allow themselves to become, more than malice or disregard for their children.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)some kids can't wear a mask for several reasons.
EndlessWire
(6,531 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Children under age 2 should not be wearing masks (per the CDC)
Older than that - stupid parents.