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Amy Klobuchar: (Original Post) Kingofalldems May 2020 OP
I bet there are 6 to 8 candidates on a vetting list SoonerPride May 2020 #1
sigh, I so hope she is not the VP Celerity May 2020 #2
Spot fucking on! Extremely well litigated thoughtful Ninga May 2020 #3
Post removed Post removed May 2020 #5
Agree 100% dixiechiken1 May 2020 #6
diexiechicken1... Upthevibe May 2020 #23
Agree!! aeromanKC May 2020 #7
aeromanKC.... Upthevibe May 2020 #25
Excellent summation and I firmly agree. The Burrell case alone is too problematic. nt crickets May 2020 #13
Klobuchar Ramped Up Prosecutions, Except in Cases Against Police Celerity May 2020 #15
Jury Foreman Regrets Convicting Teen in Girl's 2002 Death crickets May 2020 #21
crickets.... Upthevibe May 2020 #26
Celerity...I ABSOLUTELY agree with you 100%.... Upthevibe May 2020 #20
Agreed, she's so vanilla. brush May 2020 #22
brush.... Upthevibe May 2020 #27
I just meant bland, not adding much. brush May 2020 #29
Good - liked her early in the primary. We shall see. Nt jmg257 May 2020 #4
I think it's a huge mistake not to pick a Black woman lunatica May 2020 #8
Biden pledged to nominate an AA woman to serve on the Supreme Court. nt oasis May 2020 #10
He can do both lunatica May 2020 #12
I'm sure the makeup of Biden's cabinet will meet with the approval oasis May 2020 #14
I never said it would be a bad pick. lunatica May 2020 #16
I misinterpreted "huge mistake" as being "bad". My bad. oasis May 2020 #17
Perhaps I should have used a different word lunatica May 2020 #19
I'm sure I would be completely satisfied in the kind of America oasis May 2020 #24
Thank you lunatica May 2020 #31
I love your thougths on this. brush May 2020 #28
Thanks. We'll get it all together because... oasis May 2020 #30
It's my lifelong dream. lunatica May 2020 #32
Proud of Amy being from my now home State......but I do not want her as VP. a kennedy May 2020 #9
Me neither..n/t monmouth4 May 2020 #11
I have no problem with her as a Senator overall (although those Trump judge votes are a cringe) Celerity May 2020 #33
It will Joe's first big misstep lame54 May 2020 #18

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
1. I bet there are 6 to 8 candidates on a vetting list
Thu May 21, 2020, 03:55 PM
May 2020

I imagine we will get similar press reports on Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren soon.

Celerity

(43,360 posts)
2. sigh, I so hope she is not the VP
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:02 PM
May 2020

1. She is the most problematic with PoC of the 11 or so frontrunners (she polled worse that Buttigieg did with A-A's and does not have a great legal background when it comes to race-related justice issues from her time as Hennepin County Attorney.) She also, at one point, she had voted for nearly 2/3rds of Trump's judicial nominees, some of them who were clearly unqualified.

2. She lacks the temperament, IMHO, based off her past interactions with staff and subordinates, which was on exhibit in the last several debates.

3. She would be the most antagonistic pick in regards to the left half (not just the far left Sanders people) of the party as she ran one of the most hostile-to-progressives primaries (only surpassed by Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Bloomberg IMHO.)

4. She adds little in terms of energising and attracting the under 45yo vote (she polled very poorly with them the entire primary campaign), which is a pre-existing issue with Biden himself.

5. I think the entire 'she will bring the Midwest for sure' angle is overrated, as she did fairly poorly in Iowa (5th place), which is adjacent to Minnesota. I think she brings little to the table in terms of winning Florida (as massively crucial state) as well, the same for North Carolina. Georgia, and Nevada (5th place). She won 3% of the vote in SC, a heavily A-A primary.

I am leaning towards Harris, Lujan Grisham, Abrams, or maybe Whitmer, but I would be fine with most all of the other top 10 or 11 over Klobuchar. Rice is maybe a risk due the Rethugs going insane over the Benghazi claptrap, but they can sod the fuck off, although Biden seems risk-averse, so may not put her in the top 5 or so.

Klobuchar has Kaine 2016 written all over her, with many of the same potential downsides. This is not the election to play 'let's ram in the most centrist VP pick of all the 11 or so favourites and the one with the least strength amongst PoC and younger voters' games.

Response to Celerity (Reply #2)

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
6. Agree 100%
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:18 PM
May 2020

IMO, she brings nothing to the table. Not even charisma, as mentioned by smirkymonkey. 👎

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
7. Agree!!
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:21 PM
May 2020

So far Amy is on the bottom of my list of the names listed so far. Grisham, Harris, and Abrams are my top 3.

Celerity

(43,360 posts)
15. Klobuchar Ramped Up Prosecutions, Except in Cases Against Police
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:13 PM
May 2020
The candidate has faced tough questions about a disputed murder conviction and her record of seeking stiff sentences while declining to prosecute police shootings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/klobuchar-prosecutor-myon-burrell.html

In 2000, a Minnesota judge cut an immigrant a break, handing down a 364-day suspended sentence, one day less than what would result in his likely deportation. But the office prosecuting him for welfare fraud fought the judge’s mercy, pushing to add two extra days, and won on appeal. The prosecutor who headed that office, Amy Klobuchar, parlayed her tough-on-crime reputation into a Senate seat and now a run for the Democratic presidential nomination. But even as she has found some traction in the race, her choices as a prosecutor have led to tough questions on the campaign trail.

During her eight-year tenure as the Hennepin County attorney, the chief prosecutor in Minneapolis, Ms. Klobuchar sought stiffer sentences, tougher plea deals and more trials, and vowed to call out judges for “letting offenders off the hook too easily.” Those tactics served her well during her political rise, winning support from some conservatives and inoculating her from attacks by Republican opponents. But her record has also come under attack from civil rights activists who say she pursued policies that shored up her support in white suburbs at the cost of unfairly targeting minorities and declining to prosecute police shootings.

snip

In recent weeks, the candidate has found herself forced to answer questions about the case of Myon Burrell, whom her office prosecuted in the death of an 11-year-old girl, Tyesha Edwards, in 2002. In her campaigns, Ms. Klobuchar has repeatedly trumpeted her efforts to seek justice for Tyesha, making the case a focus of what she called the most effective commercial in her 2006 Senate race.

A recent investigation by The Associated Press raised questions about whether the police and Ms. Klobuchar’s office used a laundry list of dubious tactics in their pursuit of a conviction against Mr. Burrell, who was 16 at the time. The guilty verdict against him was later set aside by the Minnesota Supreme Court, which ordered a new trial, where Mr. Burrell was convicted again by Ms. Klobuchar’s successor.

snip

crickets

(25,980 posts)
21. Jury Foreman Regrets Convicting Teen in Girl's 2002 Death
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:39 PM
May 2020
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-01-31/jury-foreman-regrets-convicting-teen-in-girls-2002-death

McLean said he and other jurors did the best they could with the evidence presented and were unaware of information turned up in the AP review of the case -- in part because his co-defendants were not allowed to take the stand. Both have since said Burrell was not even on the scene. One of them, Ike Tyson, admits to being the shooter.

“Now there are statements from Ike Tyson saying he did the shooting. We didn’t have that then,” McLean said. [snip]

The AP examined thousands of pages of court documents and archival video that showed police investigators offered cash to potential witnesses in exchange for information. In addition, they relied on the testimony of jail house snitches who received reduced sentences in exchange, and later recanted their testimony.

At the end of the interview, McLean asked an AP reporter to deliver a message to Burrell: “Tell him that I’m sorry,” he said. “I tried to do my best. I kind of think in retrospect I failed.”


The article covers a lot more and is well worth reading in full.


Amy Klobuchar Helped Jail a Teenager for Life. Was He Innocent?
https://www.thecut.com/2020/01/klobuchar-helped-jail-a-teenager-for-life-was-he-innocent.html

After reviewing police records, court transcripts, and interrogation tapes, in addition to interviewing dozens of people connected to the case, the AP found that the case against Burrell was extremely thin. It relied substantially on the testimony of one of Burrell’s teen rivals, who gave conflicting accounts of the shooter’s identity, which, per the report, was “largely obscured behind a wall 120 feet away.” There were no eyewitnesses, and a stunning lack of physical evidence — no gun, fingerprints, or DNA — and Burrell, who was 16 at the time of the 2002 shooting, claims a convenience-store surveillance tape that would have cleared him of all wrongdoing never surfaced.

Additionally, Burrell’s co-defendants have confessed to their involvement in Edwards’s death, and they all say Burrell wasn’t there. Burrell had an alibi that day, but the police reportedly didn’t follow up on it. One of Burrell’s co-defendants, Ike Tyson, insists that he was the one who pulled the trigger; he says he fired off the rounds with the intention of scaring a member of a rival gang, and that it wasn’t until later that evening he learned of Edwards’s death. “I already shot an innocent girl,” Tyson told the AP. “Now an innocent guy — at the time he was a kid — is locked up for something he didn’t do. So it’s like I’m carrying two burdens.”


The above article is a bit of a hit piece, but it adds a more detail to the picture.

Upthevibe

(8,050 posts)
20. Celerity...I ABSOLUTELY agree with you 100%....
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:39 PM
May 2020

I'm doing my own research on these candidates as well. What you've posted is exactly what I've found regarding Amy Klobuchar.

I'm so thankful for your post. There's a four person committee who are helping with the vetting (including my Mayor, Eric Garcetti) process and I pray to God they incredibly thorough.

Upthevibe

(8,050 posts)
27. brush....
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:45 PM
May 2020

In her case "vanilla" would be great! There's a lot of negatives on her....I wish that wasn't the case but it is....

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. I think it's a huge mistake not to pick a Black woman
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:23 PM
May 2020

It’s fucking time dammit! He has his pick of some of the best qualified people in the world, AND they happen to also be Black women!

Or does he just want to hold the country back in the 20th Century?!

This is a golden opportunity of a lifetime to take a great step into the future. I hope he understands that the past doesn’t have a lock on us anymore. The door to make the future a better time is wide open for anyone who has the vision to go through it.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. He can do both
Thu May 21, 2020, 04:40 PM
May 2020

and he probably should. I’m sick of the “Yeah but...” qualifier. I hate that anyone is thinking it’s OK if a Black woman is nominated to only one high position. It’s just tokenism thinking.

I wish we could break the back of racism in this country. Make racists just slink back under their rocks and be done with them.

oasis

(49,386 posts)
14. I'm sure the makeup of Biden's cabinet will meet with the approval
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:11 PM
May 2020

of a great percentage of Democrats and Independents. By the end of his first term, I doubt that anyone would accuse his administration of "tokenism".

Joe's VP short list is loaded with talent, there can be no bad picks with this group.


lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. Perhaps I should have used a different word
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:31 PM
May 2020

I’m a lifelong Progressive and at 72 I’ve learned to be patient, understanding that “the system” was too rigid to change except very slowly. Now that we’ve seen how broken it is and with this incredible once in a lifetime opportunity we can jump forward, and create a better government. A more representative one.

Democracy is an evolving thing, or at least it should be. We have issues now that our founding fathers could never have imagined.

oasis

(49,386 posts)
24. I'm sure I would be completely satisfied in the kind of America
Thu May 21, 2020, 05:42 PM
May 2020

you've been waiting so long to see.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. Thank you
Thu May 21, 2020, 07:08 PM
May 2020

I’s my dream. I want to live long enough to see our country going in this direction.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
32. It's my lifelong dream.
Thu May 21, 2020, 07:10 PM
May 2020

A world where everyone is benefitting. I know it isn’t an impossible thing.

Celerity

(43,360 posts)
33. I have no problem with her as a Senator overall (although those Trump judge votes are a cringe)
Thu May 21, 2020, 08:11 PM
May 2020

I am strictly looking at it all through a SWOT analysis lens, when applied to the simple questions of:

1. Does she potentially help the ticket as much as others?

2. Does she potentially hurt the ticket as much as others?

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