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(12,286 posts)I imagine we will get similar press reports on Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren soon.
Celerity
(43,360 posts)1. She is the most problematic with PoC of the 11 or so frontrunners (she polled worse that Buttigieg did with A-A's and does not have a great legal background when it comes to race-related justice issues from her time as Hennepin County Attorney.) She also, at one point, she had voted for nearly 2/3rds of Trump's judicial nominees, some of them who were clearly unqualified.
2. She lacks the temperament, IMHO, based off her past interactions with staff and subordinates, which was on exhibit in the last several debates.
3. She would be the most antagonistic pick in regards to the left half (not just the far left Sanders people) of the party as she ran one of the most hostile-to-progressives primaries (only surpassed by Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Bloomberg IMHO.)
4. She adds little in terms of energising and attracting the under 45yo vote (she polled very poorly with them the entire primary campaign), which is a pre-existing issue with Biden himself.
5. I think the entire 'she will bring the Midwest for sure' angle is overrated, as she did fairly poorly in Iowa (5th place), which is adjacent to Minnesota. I think she brings little to the table in terms of winning Florida (as massively crucial state) as well, the same for North Carolina. Georgia, and Nevada (5th place). She won 3% of the vote in SC, a heavily A-A primary.
I am leaning towards Harris, Lujan Grisham, Abrams, or maybe Whitmer, but I would be fine with most all of the other top 10 or 11 over Klobuchar. Rice is maybe a risk due the Rethugs going insane over the Benghazi claptrap, but they can sod the fuck off, although Biden seems risk-averse, so may not put her in the top 5 or so.
Klobuchar has Kaine 2016 written all over her, with many of the same potential downsides. This is not the election to play 'let's ram in the most centrist VP pick of all the 11 or so favourites and the one with the least strength amongst PoC and younger voters' games.
Ninga
(8,275 posts)argument!
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dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)IMO, she brings nothing to the table. Not even charisma, as mentioned by smirkymonkey. 👎
Upthevibe
(8,050 posts)And I agree with you 100%...
So far Amy is on the bottom of my list of the names listed so far. Grisham, Harris, and Abrams are my top 3.
Upthevibe
(8,050 posts)I wish she wasn't even on the frickin' list. I agree with you 100%.....
crickets
(25,980 posts)Celerity
(43,360 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/klobuchar-prosecutor-myon-burrell.html
In 2000, a Minnesota judge cut an immigrant a break, handing down a 364-day suspended sentence, one day less than what would result in his likely deportation. But the office prosecuting him for welfare fraud fought the judges mercy, pushing to add two extra days, and won on appeal. The prosecutor who headed that office, Amy Klobuchar, parlayed her tough-on-crime reputation into a Senate seat and now a run for the Democratic presidential nomination. But even as she has found some traction in the race, her choices as a prosecutor have led to tough questions on the campaign trail.
During her eight-year tenure as the Hennepin County attorney, the chief prosecutor in Minneapolis, Ms. Klobuchar sought stiffer sentences, tougher plea deals and more trials, and vowed to call out judges for letting offenders off the hook too easily. Those tactics served her well during her political rise, winning support from some conservatives and inoculating her from attacks by Republican opponents. But her record has also come under attack from civil rights activists who say she pursued policies that shored up her support in white suburbs at the cost of unfairly targeting minorities and declining to prosecute police shootings.
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In recent weeks, the candidate has found herself forced to answer questions about the case of Myon Burrell, whom her office prosecuted in the death of an 11-year-old girl, Tyesha Edwards, in 2002. In her campaigns, Ms. Klobuchar has repeatedly trumpeted her efforts to seek justice for Tyesha, making the case a focus of what she called the most effective commercial in her 2006 Senate race.
A recent investigation by The Associated Press raised questions about whether the police and Ms. Klobuchars office used a laundry list of dubious tactics in their pursuit of a conviction against Mr. Burrell, who was 16 at the time. The guilty verdict against him was later set aside by the Minnesota Supreme Court, which ordered a new trial, where Mr. Burrell was convicted again by Ms. Klobuchars successor.
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crickets
(25,980 posts)Now there are statements from Ike Tyson saying he did the shooting. We didnt have that then, McLean said. [snip]
The AP examined thousands of pages of court documents and archival video that showed police investigators offered cash to potential witnesses in exchange for information. In addition, they relied on the testimony of jail house snitches who received reduced sentences in exchange, and later recanted their testimony.
At the end of the interview, McLean asked an AP reporter to deliver a message to Burrell: Tell him that Im sorry, he said. I tried to do my best. I kind of think in retrospect I failed.
The article covers a lot more and is well worth reading in full.
Amy Klobuchar Helped Jail a Teenager for Life. Was He Innocent?
https://www.thecut.com/2020/01/klobuchar-helped-jail-a-teenager-for-life-was-he-innocent.html
Additionally, Burrells co-defendants have confessed to their involvement in Edwardss death, and they all say Burrell wasnt there. Burrell had an alibi that day, but the police reportedly didnt follow up on it. One of Burrells co-defendants, Ike Tyson, insists that he was the one who pulled the trigger; he says he fired off the rounds with the intention of scaring a member of a rival gang, and that it wasnt until later that evening he learned of Edwardss death. I already shot an innocent girl, Tyson told the AP. Now an innocent guy at the time he was a kid is locked up for something he didnt do. So its like Im carrying two burdens.
The above article is a bit of a hit piece, but it adds a more detail to the picture.
Upthevibe
(8,050 posts)Absolutely....I agree with you 100%.
Upthevibe
(8,050 posts)I'm doing my own research on these candidates as well. What you've posted is exactly what I've found regarding Amy Klobuchar.
I'm so thankful for your post. There's a four person committee who are helping with the vetting (including my Mayor, Eric Garcetti) process and I pray to God they incredibly thorough.
brush
(53,778 posts)Upthevibe
(8,050 posts)In her case "vanilla" would be great! There's a lot of negatives on her....I wish that wasn't the case but it is....
brush
(53,778 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its fucking time dammit! He has his pick of some of the best qualified people in the world, AND they happen to also be Black women!
Or does he just want to hold the country back in the 20th Century?!
This is a golden opportunity of a lifetime to take a great step into the future. I hope he understands that the past doesnt have a lock on us anymore. The door to make the future a better time is wide open for anyone who has the vision to go through it.
oasis
(49,386 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)and he probably should. Im sick of the Yeah but... qualifier. I hate that anyone is thinking its OK if a Black woman is nominated to only one high position. Its just tokenism thinking.
I wish we could break the back of racism in this country. Make racists just slink back under their rocks and be done with them.
oasis
(49,386 posts)of a great percentage of Democrats and Independents. By the end of his first term, I doubt that anyone would accuse his administration of "tokenism".
Joe's VP short list is loaded with talent, there can be no bad picks with this group.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I said the opportunity is there like never before.
oasis
(49,386 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Im a lifelong Progressive and at 72 Ive learned to be patient, understanding that the system was too rigid to change except very slowly. Now that weve seen how broken it is and with this incredible once in a lifetime opportunity we can jump forward, and create a better government. A more representative one.
Democracy is an evolving thing, or at least it should be. We have issues now that our founding fathers could never have imagined.
oasis
(49,386 posts)you've been waiting so long to see.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Is my dream. I want to live long enough to see our country going in this direction.
brush
(53,778 posts)oasis
(49,386 posts)"It Takes a Village"
lunatica
(53,410 posts)A world where everyone is benefitting. I know it isnt an impossible thing.
a kennedy
(29,661 posts)monmouth4
(9,705 posts)Celerity
(43,360 posts)I am strictly looking at it all through a SWOT analysis lens, when applied to the simple questions of:
1. Does she potentially help the ticket as much as others?
2. Does she potentially hurt the ticket as much as others?