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1. As a black man, I agree and have said the same thing
2. The only people outraged, or should I say fake outraged are white racists and the aint blacks, matter fact, a lot of the aint blacks are the same people who like to say I am not African American, I am an American
Celerity
(43,339 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)As a black woman and an official member of the black delegation, I am in total agreement.
jimfields33
(15,787 posts)I know Twitter is awful but millions are on it.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)It's going to stay alive for a minute or two. Then, it'll be another outrage of the day.
I wish he hadn't spoken the words. Truthfully, I don't know anyone who hasn't said something very similar (you know skin folk versus kinfolk on people like "Rev. " Scott and Candace Owens).
jimfields33
(15,787 posts)All you said it 100 percent true. And you actually reminded me about the next outrage will be here in no time and this will be old news. That made me feel better.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)the press could pick this up and flog it to death.
jimfields33
(15,787 posts)CatWoman
(79,301 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)CatWoman
(79,301 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I love Dave Chappelle!
CatWoman
(79,301 posts)violasays
(50 posts)I'm black, too, and I also agree but he still shouldn't have said it. This is why one has surrogates, to speak the words you want to get out there but it would not be politic to do yourself. He has plenty of black staffers who could have voiced this. Now he looks like a paternalistic white man trying to parse out blackness to the worthy. Of course that's not something he meant to do, but it's frustrating and annoying.
I play tennis and love Serena Williams. But in her last few major finals, she has made a ton of unforced errors that cost her titles. The Reade thing is falling apart and none of Trump's slanders are sticking and now the Vice President had to say something that will now go into another news cycle of dissection, discussion and outraged op-eds. It was a silly thing for him to say and his campaign has to do better to make sure he stops committing these unforced errors.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)I just know that the outrage is so fake
Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)After 2016 Im spooked by anything that might lead to a small number of people staying home, even if those people are white progressives who decide to be offended on black peoples behalf (and of course failing to see the irony in that).
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)I am just done with the fake outrage with people who dont want to claim their blackness until times like this.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but in this election, it won't last but a couple of days, and particularly if he picks a black woman for VP, all will be forgiven.
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Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)You are right, I just cant vote for him now.... I think I will vote for trump now.
maxrandb
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maxrandb
(15,324 posts)Fortunately, the Dipshit in the White House has so fucked everything up that the "right wing outrage machine" is sputtering like a 1970's Chrysler K Car, but you go ahead and try to fuel it all you want.
I agree, if millions of Americans weren't getting infected, if 100's of thousands weren't dying a grusome, gasping death, if 10's of millions weren't facing economic Armageddon, then Twitter and Russian bots would go into overdrive trying to turn this into another "Butter Emails".
It's not going to work this time.
Sure, the guy who served for 8 years as the VP of Americas first African American president... will have Obama and Michelle endorsing and fighting for him, is fighting to stop voter suppression is "just a racist".
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BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)So you are the white progressive liberal offended on black peoples behalf that Eid Ma Clack Shaw was talking about on an earlier post in this thread. I actually see more white privilege in your comments than I do with Bidens.
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Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Why would a POC say this, seems like you were trying to defend your point.
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The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The only cure is be straight up about what you're doing, and say your piece plainly.
Anybody who votes for Trump is an asshole and a traitor.
Anybody who does not vote for the Democrat running against Trump is a traitor and an asshole.
No exceptions.
No one but assholes and traitors gives a rotten red fuck about this.
Own it.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Anybody who does not vote for the Democrat running against Trump is a traitor and an asshole.
That's it in a nutshell. Can't get much clearer. Or to the point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)too of the first VP chosen by our first black president. Of course, how could he not be? Eight years served as his trusted confidant and assistant president, and very close friend.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)A troll in no danger of losing his amateur status, couldn't keep track even of whether he was black and outraged or white and outraged on behalf of blacks everywhere....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)He was a white racist conservative, pretending to be a non-racist white liberal, but forgot, then tried to pretend to be black....lol
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)"Oh, what a tangled web we weave....
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)But a non-racist white critical of his statement actually seems worse to me than a white racist...with the white racist, I know it is fake outrage to make a political point, with the non-white racist is reeks of white privilege and trying to take down the candidate who actually would be better for the black community, while contributing to the election of the actual racist candidate
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Smh
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)I dont think he said anything he should have gotten banned for, I didnt like his argument but he didnt say anything outrageous.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)being scrutinized as a possible malicious intruder. In election seasons "sorrows" come single spies and in battalions.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)Now my posts have no context
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)highmindedhavi
(355 posts)as a Hispanic, I wouldn't want to defend anything a white male said to define my people either. The other video clip of Joe saying He will beat Joe Biden is going around this morning as well.
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)Im going to be Joe Biden. Hes said it before.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)But I agree it wasn't the smartest thing to say.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)He can be clumsy. His heart is utterly in the right place. If I was him Id sincerely apologize, admit my foot goes in my mouth sometimes and acknowledge what black folks are saying, that they will back me and want me to work for them and respect them. And Id demonstrate how.
Charlemagne is a provocateur. And a good one. He gets my back up and then I look at why and am impressed at it. Hes not into being an instant ally. And thats fine.
violasays
(50 posts)Wigdor just dropped Reade as a client. She has been exposed as a liar and a fraud. The Vice President absolutely must not make any more of these gaffes that can stir up outrage when he just escaped the lion's den. He needs to explain that he was joking. Most black people know what Charlamagne and the Breakfast Club are about. But he cannot slough this off and/or get angry about it and lash out. He needs to acknowledge he said something silly that he shouldn't have.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)I honestly do t think this will change a single vote but its exhausting. He should develop his skills as a smoother of waters. We need that.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...the handwringing is worse than the gaffe.
Everything that's at stake in this race dwarfs this innocent remark. Going on and on about it is self-defeating, self-indulgent nonsense. If you think this is something to spend more than the time it takes reading or listening to the remark, than ANY of the problems we face today, it betrays a dearth of care for those, imo.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Move on, and get to other things. Apology only leads to more chances to continue the cycle.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Anybody who still has questions about whether to not vote against Trump isn't just not black, but an idiot and a moral failure. Shtick is no excuse.
maxrandb
(15,324 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"His heart is utterly in the right place."
There's absolutely no chance VP Biden won't be saying other clumsy things and that some people won't be leaping to offense and others to attack. He's famous for it. And so are they.
We're an advancing army. When responses to his good hearted, well meant statements aren't always similarly kind, generous and honest, the best response is not to be dragged down by them.
We're going through mean times, but with good leadership returning us to a better direction, eventually society in general will calm down and become nicer again, including many of those who currently believe they should claim offense where none is intended.
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...no one should pay any attention to folks who don't have better things to get upset about.
The nation's burning near to the ground, and people are trying to worry us about the fireman's cheeky banter.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)I'm sure he meant it in some kind of jest, but, it sounds whack in a soundbite
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)who is or isn't black is definitely a historic thing that a politician shouldn't evoke.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)so thats what he did! OMG
RobinA
(9,888 posts)kind of a set up. Trip through a mine field. I watched the first minute and figured it would not end well so I stopped it. I wouldn't think even a word guy like Bill Clinton could get out of that unscathed.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Don't know why folks are making it into something else..
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)talk about mostly black stuff so that was the context of the whole interview as set by the host. It was very easy to understand what Biden was saying.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)this is a desperate spaghetti-heaving contest. Throw, throw and hope it sticks to the wall. Be it an anti-woman meme (because women favor Joe Biden) or a manufactured outrage/slight/insult to the AA community (because African Americans favor Joe Biden), the outrage merchants are in high-gear.
Was it a dumb comment? That's not the point.
The point is to shave down the support, reverse present polling numbers and turn this thing around for traitor Trump. That's the only thing outrage merchants care about. If they can tap into an emotional trigger, all the better. Biden provided them with a comment they can run with and they are deliriously happy. For the moment.
We've seen this picture show before. In fact, we've seen it endlessly.
I suspect the next outrage will focus on seniors because Trump is leaking support. Despite voting for him in 2016, many seniors are now disgusted with the Bloviator-in-Chief.
The beat goes on.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)maxrandb
(15,324 posts)Why, I haven't been this outraged since Hillary said she carried hot sauce in her bag!!0
Thank God! I almost thought getting Donnie Short Fingers out of office was mandatory.
GusFring
(756 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)And the funny thing is they never want to claim their blackness, but now that Biden made these comments they are all offended.
GusFring
(756 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Don't add fuel to the fire, fuck the bad-faith haters and the pearl clutchers.
But once again, this shows Biden will win against trump despite his political instincts, not because of them.
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Meanwhile, trump is selling these on his webstore:
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)#YouAintBlack is now trending on the Twitter.
Can somebody come reboot 2020?
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Joe communicated a point he wanted to make in a very precise way. We can disagree on whether or not the statement was effective, or matters at all in the long term, but it was no gaffe.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)So i'm not sure my opinion on this matters anyway. I don't care about it. If black people find this offensive that's their prerogative.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)Link to tweet
Former VP Biden, on the call, said: No one should have to vote for any party based on their race, background, religion, or any demographic information. He added that he wants to earn the votes of African Americans and that they are critical to his ability to win the presidency.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)are the same ones spouting outrage over this. Fuck them.