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The fact that ... (Original Post) NanceGreggs May 2020 OP
Unreal.. did he even care enough about his job to think he might be fired? Cha May 2020 #1
That LEO had done that before in some way, way too comfortable on vid killing someone uponit7771 May 2020 #2
Yep Lars39 May 2020 #4
:( solid point. The police need to Cha May 2020 #6
K&R betsuni May 2020 #3
K&R Solly Mack May 2020 #5
And nothing it says is good! BlueMTexpat May 2020 #7
And Yet that Sherman A1 May 2020 #8
You can see that he was actually enjoying the murder. Taunting his victim as he killed him. Solomon May 2020 #9
this police officer will be tried and found guilty Gothmog May 2020 #10
What gives you that idea? SoonerPride May 2020 #11
Trump DENVERPOPS May 2020 #15
Unless DOJ brings federal charges, Trump will have no power to pardon them StarfishSaver May 2020 #16
Can't they DENVERPOPS May 2020 #22
They can try StarfishSaver May 2020 #23
seems, as I remember, the supreme court DENVERPOPS May 2020 #24
That case went through all levels of the state courts-the state Supreme Court decision was appealed StarfishSaver May 2020 #25
Okay, I'll accept your legal information. DENVERPOPS May 2020 #26
Lousy police work, Pantagruel May 2020 #12
This mcar May 2020 #13
murder has a specific legal definition stopdiggin May 2020 #14
Yes four officers being dismissed was Roc2020 May 2020 #17
police departments all over the country stopdiggin May 2020 #18
Hold cops personally liable for their misconduct - in criminal AND civil courts. dalton99a May 2020 #19
And yet tandgf May 2020 #20
Yes. It makes me sick at heart and ashamed of my country. nt Hekate May 2020 #21
Not More Racism In USA; Racism Is Now Being Filmed More. emanymton69 May 2020 #27
I couldn't sleep last night because of the look on that prick's face geardaddy May 2020 #28

Cha

(297,190 posts)
1. Unreal.. did he even care enough about his job to think he might be fired?
Wed May 27, 2020, 04:16 AM
May 2020

Amy Cooper knew she was being filmed, too.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
6. :( solid point. The police need to
Wed May 27, 2020, 05:28 AM
May 2020

get rid of all those murderous types from their departments. They're killing innocent people and destroying relations with their communities.

George Lloyd

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
8. And Yet that
Wed May 27, 2020, 07:10 AM
May 2020

He and his group received consequences by being fired also says something about where we are as a nation.

I truly hope that they receive much more significant consequences from their actions, but it’s a start.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
9. You can see that he was actually enjoying the murder. Taunting his victim as he killed him.
Wed May 27, 2020, 08:24 AM
May 2020

Enjoyed putting on a show for the witnesses.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
11. What gives you that idea?
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:11 AM
May 2020

White cops get away with murder of brown and black skinned people all the time.

What gives you the expectation this time will be different?

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
15. Trump
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:52 PM
May 2020

will merely pardon him and all his "brethren". They are all pumped by him pardoning the U.S. Navy Seal........
The next months are going to get super ugly......

Thx to NancRant for all she does........

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. Unless DOJ brings federal charges, Trump will have no power to pardon them
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:57 PM
May 2020

They'll be tried in state court.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. They can try
Wed May 27, 2020, 07:23 PM
May 2020

But they'd first have to completely exhaust all of their state remedies and then go to federal district court arguing some kind of constitutional violation. It is highly unlikely they could mount such an argument since this is a basic criminal case. And in the meantime, they'd probably be sitting in jail while the appeal goes through the courts.

But even if they managed to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, the president couldn't pardon them because these are state crimes and he has no power to pardon those.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
24. seems, as I remember, the supreme court
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:38 PM
May 2020

took absolute and complete control over Florida's State Laws during the 2000 Gore Election without all the intermediate courts......

Like countless others in this land, I can't tell you how many times in the past 20 years, and especially
in the last three that I have said: "They can't do that" !?!? and yet,..... here we are.......

Regretfully, I guess we all are all just going to have to wait and see how it plays out........

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
25. That case went through all levels of the state courts-the state Supreme Court decision was appealed
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:59 PM
May 2020

directly to the US Supreme Court. But that was a different kind of case - among other things, cases involving elections are treated differently.

This would be a straight up criminal appeal without any time constraints or constitutional implications, so it would go through the normal appeals process.

But, as I said, even if the Supreme Court got involved, that would still not permit Trump to pardons the officers. He can only pardon people convicted of federal crimes. If they are convicted in state court, he can't do anything about it. Even if the Supreme Court rules on an appeal, it's still a state court conviction.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
26. Okay, I'll accept your legal information.
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:18 AM
May 2020

You sound as if you know more about law than I will ever know!

But, once again, I will say I guess we all are all just going to have to wait and see how it plays out........

I believe that we will all see some unfathomably horrific things by the RepubliCONs between now and the election.

I don't think that on November 4th, a single person in America is prepared for what is going to take place. If the Democrat candidate wins, it will not be accepted by the RepubliCONs.........period. And, so far, they don't seem to care what the Constitution says, or care about the "Rule of Law".........



 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
12. Lousy police work,
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:14 AM
May 2020

probably failed,systemic racism but I doubt you can prove
pre-meditated murder.Wait for the full story to come out.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
13. This
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
May 2020

He and the other LEOs knew they were being filmed and murdered the man anyway. They know, or at least assume, they can act with impunity.

Much like Central Park Karen, she knew she was being filmed and still said and did what she did.

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
14. murder has a specific legal definition
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:50 PM
May 2020

and in Minnesota it is just barely possible (and yet unlikely) that this would even fall within the definition of 3rd Degree murder (the lowest level, just before manslaughter)

Third-degree murder falls between manslaughter and second-degree murder charges. This murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime. This charge can arise when a person fires a gun in a crowd without intending to kill anyone, for example. Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life.

We'll see what charges are brought here.
(And it is a good thing that four officers were summarily fired in this case. That is progress. And wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.)

Roc2020

(1,615 posts)
17. Yes four officers being dismissed was
Wed May 27, 2020, 02:01 PM
May 2020

a little brow raising but justified. I think the template is the south carolina cop that got filmed shooting a fleeing man in the back. he got 20yrs. the key is the feds. The feds need to bring charges against them. If that happens I think all four of them are cooked.

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
18. police departments all over the country
Wed May 27, 2020, 02:23 PM
May 2020

need a solid wake up call. "Old school" isn't going to get it .. and administration needs to be all over training and indoctrination .. because we didn't get here by mistake. These men and women are being brought in and trained to do this type of policing.

We also have to acknowledge that the public has (unfortunately) been supportive of a lot of this crap in the past. (let's not forget Sheriff Arpiao, broken windows, crack babies .. and far, far too much shit*y TV and Hollywood -- Bad Boys, Chuck Norris, Charles Bronson, etc.) We've played our own part here.

dalton99a

(81,472 posts)
19. Hold cops personally liable for their misconduct - in criminal AND civil courts.
Wed May 27, 2020, 02:29 PM
May 2020

Why should local homeowners and taxpayers have to pay for their crimes?


tandgf

(25 posts)
20. And yet
Wed May 27, 2020, 05:16 PM
May 2020

I haven't seen any Republicans on my Facebook speak against what happened to George Floyd - Not 1

emanymton69

(124 posts)
27. Not More Racism In USA; Racism Is Now Being Filmed More.
Thu May 28, 2020, 09:23 AM
May 2020

*
Borrowed from Will Smith.
Racism is not any more prevalent in USA than before. It is just being filmed more.

Ema Nymton
*

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
28. I couldn't sleep last night because of the look on that prick's face
Thu May 28, 2020, 10:00 AM
May 2020

I live in Minneapolis and all I could think of was how I want to see that pig's neck stepped on.

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