Breakdown of Morning Consult poll showing Warren is best VP pick for Youth and Black voters

[Fiendish Thingy]

total:

NET LIKELY TO VOTE FOR:
ALL - UNDER 45 - 45+ - BLACK - HISPANIC
WARREN- 3 12 -4 24 28
KLOBUCH - 1 3 2 12 11
HARRIS- 1 9 -3 19 13
ABRAMS- -2 4 -8 17 7

+12 for under 45 yo voters, +24% for Black voters - the data shows its no contest between Warren and the other potential VP’s.

http://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/

And please don’t bother with the pearl clutching false narrative that Warren will cost Dems the Senate majority - that myth has been debunked repeatedly. MA Legislature has a Dem supermajority, and has passed legislation requiring the governor to appoint a Dem/same party to any vacancy, and would do so again if Warren were the VP.

[womanofthehills]

1. I love Warren but with all the racist shit going down now

Kamala might be more solidifying for the party. Two white people at the top is not a good look in these times.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Kamala didn't do well in the primaries.

[Dem4Life1102]

2. National polls are irrelevant.

It's state polls that matter the most.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Don't you think a 12 pt boost to youth and 24 pt boost to black turnout would help in swing states?

If Hillary had a 12 point boost in youth voter and a 24 point boost in Black voters in the Rust belt, she’d be president right now.

[Dem4Life1102]

11. Only if it corresponds to a boost in swing states

Otherwise it is irrelevant and the fact that Clinton got 3 million more votes nationwide proves it.

[Demsrule86]

27. No as we are going after moderate voters...She brings nothing to the ticket in terms of geography..

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Based on what evidence?

I have provided my evidence to support Warren as the best choice to boost young voters and black voters, where is yours?

[still_one]

3. Anyone who decides not to vote for Biden because they don't like his VP pick, are trump enablers,

and are useful idiots

[Music Man]

19. Like it or not, turnout and enthusiasm matter.

Biden has many strengths but many flaws that need to be balanced. Especially in a media circus race against Donald Trump, picks that depend on us saying "the voters should know better" won't cut it. If that were the case, Clinton-Kaine should have won unanimously.

Whether it's youth, progressives, or African Americans, the VP pick needs to make parts of the coalition more likely to show up on election day, volunteers more likely to work, and donors more likely to give.

If Warren is qualified to be president and the most likely to help Joe win, then so be it.

[still_one]

20. If the last four years of trump isn't a motivator, then they deserve trump, like it or not

[Music Man]

23. I understand that

And given that Donald Trump actually has to stand on a record now, it will aid Joe Biden, but given that we all have to reap the consequences of a Trump presidency, it is not enough for me to say, "They deserve it." Sometimes we have to play the enthusiasm game. Rachel Bitecofer, who has been successful in much of her election forecasting and has written some excellent articles about this, has been preaching that Democrats often have an idealized image of the American voter. Engaged, civic-minded people who go to on-line forums like this and hold lengthy discussions about politics and policy are generally poor judges of the American voter psychology.

[Shell_Seas]

4. I love Warren, but I think this poll is bias. A black VP would help us come together.

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. Please show the evidence for your opinion

No data = speculation

[Hortensis]

38. Polls AND rhetoric show that overall our AA prioritize defeating the GOP

FAR more than "coming together" with whites of either party. Yes, liberal AA are us because they're liberal and Democrats are the liberal party. But above all, external threats have created the monolithic AA power bloc that operates from within the Democratic Party because that's where they need to be to defeat the white power threat from the White Power Party.

A small percentage of black men, presumably almost all conservative, who voted for Obama refused to vote for Hillary (or Abrams in GA). I imagine some of those will vote Democrat because Biden is male and others will refuse to vote Democrat because Biden's a Democrat.

But that the vast majority of AA voters will vote Democrat no matter who the VP candidate is because they are cool eyed and self directed. They can't afford frivolous piques and preferences.

[marlakay]

6. I love Liz but would be happy with Kamala too nt

[Dem4Life1102]

12. What if it is someone else?

[marlakay]

32. Those are my favorites but I would vote for Joe

No matter who he choose although if he picked a Republican I would be very disappointed.

[LakeArenal]

8. No primary candidate for VP please.

[flamingdem]

9. I can see Warren as Vice POTUS or POTUS, she'd be formidable

[MFM008]

13. We need a person

That will help people of color be enthusiastic about voting.
Period.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. and this poll shows Warren is the best choice to generate that enthusiasm nt

[Demsrule86]

28. I just don't agree...Val Demmings or Stacy Abrams could deliver a state.

[Hekate]

17. Only someone who's been living in a cave is going to demand "enthusiasm" or "excitement" in 2020

I'm not POC, but what I feel about this election is grim determination to get rid of Trump. Anyone Joe picks will be fine.

[Hekate]

14. Warren and Biden are too close in age. I want a somewhat younger VP...

I want Elizabeth Warren to have a powerful Cabinet position or continue her great career in the Senate.

My age, in case you think it's relevant? 72.

[unitedwethrive]

18. +1

My thoughts exactly. Since he is older, he has to go with a younger VP.

[Vinca]

15. That surprises me re black voters.

We have a plethora of great candidates, but I think some of the black women are especially formidable. I like Warren, but I think the ticket should be balanced with a younger Veep candidate. Whoever it is, I hope they won't be shy about calling a fool a fool.

[Green Line]

21. Where are you getting this information?

Charlie Baker can appoint someone until the special election. This is from Boston. com:

But there is also one big reason top Democrats say Warren should not be picked as a vice presidential candidate.

If elected, Warren’s (at least temporary) successor in the Senate would be appointed by Republican Gov. Charlie Baker. With control of the Senate up for grabs, that has given Democrats serious pause about Warren’s potential veep candidacy—and has even prompted Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid to scour the current Senate vacancy appointment rules for a legal workaround.

And if Charlie Baker decided to run for the seat, he has a very good chance of winning.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. The MA legislature has a Dem supermajority, and can change the law to require a Dem replacement

They have done it in the past, and nothing would stop them from doing it again.

Baker can run in the special election, but he would be up against strong, we’ll funded opponents, one of whom could a Kennedy.

[Music Man]

22. As a white man, I cannot say this with certainty,

But if polling shows Elizabeth Warren to be the favorite among black and Hispanic Americans, then it may not be for us to pander and say, "No, Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams would represent them better. It's who they really want."

It strikes me as Michael Scott-esque.

Michael: Stanley, who do you want Joe Biden to select as his running mate?
Stanley: Elizabeth Warren.
Michael: But don't you want one of your own?
Stanley: What do you mean one of my own?
Michael: You know. A black person. Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams? Someone who looks like you.
Stanley: I want Elizabeth Warren.
Michael: Well, we can't always get what we want in life. You should know that.

I would love Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams. I believe we need more diverse representation on principle, not only for diverse perspectives but so children can see people who look like them on stage so they know they can achieve that too. It's difficult to imagine diversity if you've never seen it. But I also respect if a particular community feels someone represents them best.

[Demsrule86]

29. Warren is not favored by AA...she had no support from them in the primary...one of the reasons she

didn't win. And Biden needs to pick a candidate that helps the ticket...Warren won't. We need to win moderate states.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. The evidence says otherwise

Shall we proceed on a hunch, gut feeling, or measurable evidence?

[0rganism]

24. and a very dangerous VP pick for establishing a senate majority

governor of MA is a Republican. if Sen. Warren becomes VP Warren he'll get to appoint an interim replacement.
how lucky do you feel?

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. Didn't you read my entire OP?

This is a myth. The Dems have a supermajority in the MA legislature, and in the past have changed the law to require a same party appointee for any vacancies. Nothing would stop them from doing so again.

[Demsrule86]

30. Explain Scott Brown then...it is a bad idea. And I don't think she is the best choice in terms of

geography. Also, she and Biden are not close and have had there difference;you have to have a VP you can trust and work well with.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. Scott Brownran against a weak, unknown, underfunded Dem

That mistake won’t be repeated.

[0rganism]

31. so very much lucky, then?

your entire "myth" and "debunked" argument hinges on legislation that, as far as i know, has not been legislated. have these ultra-safe and foolproof past restrictions survived appeals in a federal circuit court? maybe some of the buffoons Trump is loading onto the courts will respect precedent

[Fiendish Thingy]

36. These laws have succeeded in MA and other states

There is no Constitutional question here.

[0rganism]

37. yep super lucky

naturally, the courts packed by Trumpoids will decide whether there are any constitutional questions they would like to address in order to preserve a senate majority

good luck to us all