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RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:25 PM May 2020

Trump's Executive Order Could Ruin the Internet Over a Twitter Beef

(... like a true wannabee dictator - none will question me. Ha, that's what Stephen Miller said way back, none will question the president. These guys reek of Nazism.)


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/935yz3/donald-trump-executive-order-twitter-social-media?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=curated_vice_daily_1023202

On Thursday, the White House said, Donald Trump will fire back in what is essentially a deeply personal and petty fight with an executive order from the highest office in the land. The order, a draft of which was circulated on Wednesday night by content moderation expert Kate Klonick seeks to clarify section 230 of the Communications Decency Act to remove liability protection for digital communications services if they restrict content in a way that is "deceptive," "pretextual," inconsistent with the platform's terms of service, or if it has been done without adequate notice or explanation, or without a "meaningful opportunity to be heard."

Section 230 is a bedrock piece of internet legislation that allows service providers to engage in "Good Samaritan" blocking and screening of content that it deems to be lewd, harassing, or just distasteful in some way, even if it is constitutionally protected speech. As far as legislation goes, the first subsection of 230 is concise and powerful: "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

In the order, Trump also makes the argument that social media companies' actions should not "infringe on protected speech," which would be a massive change from Section 230 as it's currently worded, which makes an explicit carve-out for restricting protected speech. This will, unequivocally, change the internet as a whole and make it worse. Straight-up neo-Nazi propaganda might be constitutionally protected speech, for example, but social media companies currently regularly remove such content. Right now, those people simply congregate on the platforms that do choose to leave such content up, and they do exist. If all protected speech was allowed on all platforms, it would get very ugly very quickly.

Daphne Keller, of the Stanford Cyber Policy Center, annotated a copy of the order on Google Docs. In her annotation, Keller notes that much of the order is, in her mind, legally dubious, outright posturing, or politically motivated. Other parts could drastically change how the internet works. For example, the order invokes the First Amendment; she worries that the order attempts to put all First Amendment-protected speech on a level footing (i.e., that it attempts to limit what speech platforms can moderate). "If this really means that *all* First Amendment-permitted speech must be given equal footing on major platforms, this is a radical proposition," she wrote. "It would change the Internet as we know it, and undermine calls to remove widely reviled material like the Christchurch massacre video."

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coti

(4,612 posts)
1. Social media should just ignore/not cooperate with it.
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:29 PM
May 2020

Whatever it asks them to do, just don't do it.

Our family will be stopping use of any social media cooperating with Trump directives.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Yet Trump was cool with his pals at The Enquirer 🙄
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:34 PM
May 2020

Didn't Trump sign the disclaimer when he joined Twitter, a private company?

I don't see where he has any standing in ordering Twitter to do anything.

Will Trump's pa,l Mark Zuckerburg of Facebook also be included in the EO?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. K & R. He could do America a favor & stay off Twitter forever.
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:49 PM
May 2020

He's always threatening someone 🙄







Warpy

(111,258 posts)
7. One thing Dumbass doesn't realize
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:58 PM
May 2020

is just how deep the pockets in Silicon Valley and points north really are. Even if they have to haul this into court and fight it again and again and again, it will be totally overturned.

"Legally dubious" and "posturing" are about it.

Right wingers think free speech means they can say what they want wherever they want to without accepting any consequences for it, from a punch in the nose to being canned at work to being kicked off a site that doesn't pretend to be a balanced forum that allows hate speech.

Uh, no. It just means the government won't jail you for all the reprehensible things you spout. You're just going to have to face up to the real life consequences of it.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
13. Same here. People give the ass too far a rein. Really, people should just tell him to fuck off and
Thu May 28, 2020, 04:44 PM
May 2020

go to hell. I'm so tired of people caving into this ass just because he yells. And the R's that could not say enough bad about him during the election. Now they are just a bunch of cowardly wimps.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
12. Absolutely, plus the EO can be removed by the next president. Maybe the ass thinks
Thu May 28, 2020, 04:39 PM
May 2020

he can tie it up somehow until November ... I don't see how.

PSPS

(13,597 posts)
14. No, it couldn't and won't. It's just a written-down tantrum without any legal validity.
Thu May 28, 2020, 05:01 PM
May 2020

If trump wants to spread his lies unfettered, let him start his own private messaging platform. That's the way it works. Does he expect OAN and Fox and Sinclair to start carrying Nancy Pelosi?

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
15. For fun, I'll argue it's already ruined?
Thu May 28, 2020, 05:06 PM
May 2020

Net Neutrality, gone?

Way way way too much porn and minors not really protected from it?

Way way way too much spidering/selling people's data without consent?

Just 3 off the top of my head.




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