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Who is this white dude (Original Post) LiberalArkie May 2020 OP
Asshole paid by drumpf, or at least subservient to the King Criiminal. lark May 2020 #1
Unsubstantiated and unverified, but callers to Joe Madison (the Black Eagle) Mike 03 May 2020 #2
That's an agent provocateur superpatriotman May 2020 #3
Good points all. I was thinking one of these new groups ms liberty May 2020 #8
He made no attempt at solidarity with bystanders, no word about motives... lostnfound May 2020 #52
Exactly. H2O Man May 2020 #64
Holy cow. By the time I finished responding to you and read the rest of the thread ms liberty May 2020 #10
Good on his ex wife superpatriotman May 2020 #11
+1 n/t ms liberty May 2020 #13
His x-wife should know...but maybe she's got a bone to pick with him, too. judesedit May 2020 #28
Yeah, not subtle at all PatSeg May 2020 #48
Umbrella was to keep falling glass from decapitating him Nictuku May 2020 #51
A face shield might have been less conspicious PatSeg May 2020 #54
One of the new anarchist groups, like those boogaloo bois? ms liberty May 2020 #4
I'd put money on it being one of those boogaloo dudes. Liberal In Texas May 2020 #6
A cop, and he's been outed, see lower in the thread. Wow! ms liberty May 2020 #12
Seems now to be some dispute about his identity. Liberal In Texas May 2020 #16
Bullshit superpatriotman May 2020 #21
Police are going to have to prove it's not him mainer May 2020 #22
His ex wife knows him superpatriotman May 2020 #27
I think they need to match up the time stamp on the window video with Liberal In Texas May 2020 #32
He took off the body cam no doubt. Demsrule86 May 2020 #35
would be interesting if body cam footage goes blank mainer May 2020 #37
I think it is him...the police offer. Demsrule86 May 2020 #66
The umbrella was to thwart surveillance cameras Mariana May 2020 #39
According to some on Twitter... PunkinPi May 2020 #5
Incredible that they even have his name. Mike 03 May 2020 #7
Pretty sure the PD officially said no, not him soothsayer May 2020 #9
why would anyone believe the police at this point? questionseverything May 2020 #62
Cops have stoked most of the riots in American history superpatriotman May 2020 #14
I think we know why no charges will be brought against the 4 cops (probably) LiberalArkie May 2020 #15
There are probably more like him out there under the radar, just stirring..... FM123 May 2020 #17
I mean, he kind of looks like the cop but as octoberlib May 2020 #18
His ex-wife seems pretty sure it's him, based on voice and walk mainer May 2020 #25
I keep seeing the screen shots on Twitter. octoberlib May 2020 #41
Cops want to discredit the protestors IronLionZion May 2020 #19
I watched 3 hours of the scene on Lake street last night and people were being interviewed. cayugafalls May 2020 #34
There is a lot going in in a chaotic situation IronLionZion May 2020 #50
That's why they are called provocateurs or instigators lostnfound May 2020 #53
King asshole. geardaddy May 2020 #20
Apparently he's a really stupid cop live love laugh May 2020 #23
Makes it easy for someone to find him in a crowd. LiberalArkie May 2020 #29
Non-stupid uses for an umbrella in this situation: JHB May 2020 #31
Very good points. But without it he probably would'nt have been singled out. nt live love laugh May 2020 #46
A paid provocateur? I've seen it in action in the 70s. Firestorm49 May 2020 #24
That is NAZI. Kid Berwyn May 2020 #26
False flag crisis actor Dukkha May 2020 #30
He certainly didn't look too worried about getting caught by police Ohioboy May 2020 #33
Last night an OP got removed for promoting this...I got scolded for a response. cayugafalls May 2020 #36
if an op got removed that is disappointing questionseverything May 2020 #63
Another umbrella carrier Aviation Pro May 2020 #38
According to police, this is not Jacob Pederson ehrnst May 2020 #40
I don't know if I buy that's him, the eye color pnwest May 2020 #42
If I had a hammer and was smashing windows, I'd be grimacing out of fear of glass hitting me-- C Moon May 2020 #43
He should be prosecuted! McCamy Taylor May 2020 #44
He was outed last night on another thread. Bonx May 2020 #45
Suspicious and Sinister AF Blue Owl May 2020 #47
This guy has to be a cop. Richard58 May 2020 #49
It's definitely false flag, it usually is. Warpy May 2020 #55
The guys that broke into the Police building with the sledge hammers and stuff were LiberalArkie May 2020 #56
Are you sure? murielm99 May 2020 #57
I saw it on a video... kind of dark but the hair cuts kid of gave it away. LiberalArkie May 2020 #58
Thank you. murielm99 May 2020 #60
Brats LeftInTX May 2020 #65
Are you people serious? Loki Liesmith May 2020 #59
oink oink obamanut2012 May 2020 #61
I wish they would have apprehended him and gotten a definitive ID. Crunchy Frog May 2020 #67

lark

(23,099 posts)
1. Asshole paid by drumpf, or at least subservient to the King Criiminal.
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:44 AM
May 2020

Absolutely would not put it past him to hire someone to do this, he hires actors for every rally pays them to yell and scream and wave posters so he has a long history of this. The whole thing was very strange, like it was being staged for black people to be blamed and even killed.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
2. Unsubstantiated and unverified, but callers to Joe Madison (the Black Eagle)
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:44 AM
May 2020

program on the Urban View channel on SiriusXM this morning said this person had been "checked out" and was a police officer. Joe Madison listened but was wary and said he would try to confirm this.

This video is circulating widely and is the topic of much discussion and speculation.

Thanks for posting; I'd heard about it but hadn't seen it until now.

superpatriotman

(6,249 posts)
3. That's an agent provocateur
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:46 AM
May 2020

He’s too in shape to be an anarchist

Too well equipped to be an improv protester

Works the baton professionally

Walks away to points unknown rather fast (probably an unmarked staging area)

That is a cop. Period.

ms liberty

(8,574 posts)
8. Good points all. I was thinking one of these new groups
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:58 AM
May 2020

Of general trouble makers you see in these events, but he does seem quite businesslike and efficient in his movements. Very professional, calm, and when the person recording him got too close, a quick, well placed shove backed them off. Could also be a private group hire/s by right wing groups, people with military training or experience? I'm thinking an Erik Prince type outfit for instance - I wouldn't put it past him to get involved in a little domestic upheaval, and he's probably not the only one out there.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
52. He made no attempt at solidarity with bystanders, no word about motives...
Fri May 29, 2020, 01:53 PM
May 2020

Not like he was muttering “F— the cops” or “no justice no peace” or anything at all.

That’s not a protest.

ms liberty

(8,574 posts)
10. Holy cow. By the time I finished responding to you and read the rest of the thread
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:01 AM
May 2020

You were right, he's been outed by his exwife.

judesedit

(4,438 posts)
28. His x-wife should know...but maybe she's got a bone to pick with him, too.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:20 AM
May 2020

He does have that sneaky, snarky white-supremacist air about him though. I wouldn't doubt it to be true.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
48. Yeah, not subtle at all
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:34 AM
May 2020

The black umbrella on a warm sunny day was an interesting touch. You'd think he would have tried to blend in better.

Nictuku

(3,613 posts)
51. Umbrella was to keep falling glass from decapitating him
Fri May 29, 2020, 12:24 PM
May 2020

.... just speculation, but it makes sense. He had what looked like an expensive hammer. The guy came prepared for the task.

Has this been on MSM yet? This is outrageous.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
54. A face shield might have been less conspicious
Fri May 29, 2020, 01:56 PM
May 2020

I watched a little bit of TV early this morning, but haven't turned it back on. I've only seen a couple of articles where the police department says it is NOT the cop that witnesses said it was. Whether it is or not, this should be an important news story though.

ms liberty

(8,574 posts)
4. One of the new anarchist groups, like those boogaloo bois?
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:48 AM
May 2020

They were really quite obvious, all in black with the umbrella, mask and all. Videos like this one need to go viral. AND...Protestors need to organize to be ready for these infiltrators and turn the tables on the ones creating the violence, because their aim is to see the real protesters discredited by their actions.

ms liberty

(8,574 posts)
12. A cop, and he's been outed, see lower in the thread. Wow!
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:04 AM
May 2020

If we can start outing them like this it will help in the fight to get these tactics stopped...maybe. We need to spread it far and wide.

Liberal In Texas

(13,552 posts)
16. Seems now to be some dispute about his identity.
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:26 AM
May 2020

St. Paul police:

Many online claim that the man seen was Pederson, offering what they claimed to be text messages from the man’s former wife confirming it was him.

But as KARE reported, St. Paul police released a statement disputing these reports. A department spokesperson said that Pederson was among the officers working to keep the city safe during protests.

“We are aware of the social media post that erroneously identifies one of our officers as the person caught on video breaking windows in Minneapolis. We want to be perfectly clear about this: The person in the video is not our officer,” said St. Paul Police spokesperson Steve Linders.


https://www.inquisitr.com/6080600/jacob-pederson-st-paul-protest/?fbclid=IwAR2ISMZtUFpwZcTlo4KuFpyJrD8X2OOjz0XTrEP4DLg0ql1BgxGZFhVVhp4

More information may come out in the next few days.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
22. Police are going to have to prove it's not him
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:03 AM
May 2020

Release Pederson's body cam footage to show us he where he was at that time.

It's hard to trust anything the police claim.

Liberal In Texas

(13,552 posts)
32. I think they need to match up the time stamp on the window video with
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:30 AM
May 2020

wherever he was. It's hard to see, but it doesn't look like the window breaker was wearing a body cam. The umbrella was kind of weird touch. To keep from being seen by a police helicopter?

mainer

(12,022 posts)
37. would be interesting if body cam footage goes blank
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:45 AM
May 2020

If he's supposedly working with his colleagues, then the footage should be continuous. Any sudden gap would be telling.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
39. The umbrella was to thwart surveillance cameras
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:56 AM
May 2020

which are often mounted overhead on buildings and light poles and such.

PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
5. According to some on Twitter...
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:49 AM
May 2020


HOLY SHIT. The cop who started the vandalizing was outted by people who know him. His name is Jacob Pederson of the St. Paul PD.




Update: It has been revealed that Officer Jacob Pederson of the St.Paul Police Department was the culprit responsible for kick starting the riot in South Minneapolis. He was captured on camera and identified by his Ex-wife.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
9. Pretty sure the PD officially said no, not him
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:59 AM
May 2020

But they, as are we, are interested in finding out who he is.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
18. I mean, he kind of looks like the cop but as
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:34 AM
May 2020

somebody who’s been on Twitter since it’s inception, 99% of the time Twitter users have accused somebody of something, they’ve been wrong. I’m familiar with COINTELPRO so wouldn’t put it past the cops, could also be an anarchist , though.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
25. His ex-wife seems pretty sure it's him, based on voice and walk
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:04 AM
May 2020

And it seems she recognizes the gear he's wearing.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
41. I keep seeing the screen shots on Twitter.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:16 AM
May 2020

Those have been faked before , too, though. Somebody needs to get hold of this lady and interview her to verify this.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
19. Cops want to discredit the protestors
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:42 AM
May 2020

and sway public perception and judgment of what is righteous anger at an unjustified murder. They want people to think it's a bunch of lawless criminals stealing and damaging property instead of peaceful protesters demanding policy changes from political leaders.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
34. I watched 3 hours of the scene on Lake street last night and people were being interviewed.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:35 AM
May 2020

A bunch of people said they were going to continue to "tear it all down", while I agree with you there were peaceful protesters as well, there were a lot of people tearing up buildings, looting and basically ransacking the area. One youth even held up a police belt, that he had taken from the Precinct that they broke into and burnt down, as if it was a trophy.

I do not disagree with you that cops want to discredit the protest. I just want to point out that now it has moved on and there is now a second stage that we are witnessing. Whether it was started by a cop smashing windows or some other bad actor is almost moot at this point, since people have picked up the baton and are using it themselves now to tear it all down.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
50. There is a lot going in in a chaotic situation
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

The bad actors will get most of the attention and will justify ignoring the good people with legitimate concerns. It's precisely why the bad actors take advantage of the situation to sow distrust all around.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
53. That's why they are called provocateurs or instigators
Fri May 29, 2020, 01:55 PM
May 2020

They provoke. They instigate.
They start chain reactions.
To make public opinion turn their backs on the cause.
Incredibly effective.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
29. Makes it easy for someone to find him in a crowd.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:20 AM
May 2020

I question why he did not use a headset with his phone instead of sticking the phone under the mask headband

JHB

(37,160 posts)
31. Non-stupid uses for an umbrella in this situation:
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:28 AM
May 2020

1) Signaling device. Tells certain people "I'm on your side" and can be clearly seen from a distance. Also easily stowed away when done.

2) Obscuration device. There are a couple of other videos he was caught on, and he has it tilted low enough that his face can't be seen.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
24. A paid provocateur? I've seen it in action in the 70s.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:03 AM
May 2020

Civil unrest is never a good solution. Promoting it from unexpected sources (paid provocateurs) is never acceptable, yet it happens.

The racial divisions and all of its ramifications should be understood and dealt with by an intelligent, caring government, yet this administration has allowed open racism and white supremacy to crawl out from the sewage pit where it rightly belongs.

The African American community has the right to be outraged. The country’s principles are in retreat due to the hatred promoted by this administration and for this reason alone, although there are many, this administration needs to be removed from office.

I fear the worst and pray for the best.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
30. False flag crisis actor
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:26 AM
May 2020

Funny the Alex Jones types always accuse the other side of that which they are guilty of. Now who popularized that tactic?

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
33. He certainly didn't look too worried about getting caught by police
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:33 AM
May 2020

The whole umbrella and mask thing would have been to prevent identification, but would not prevent him from standing out in a crowd.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
36. Last night an OP got removed for promoting this...I got scolded for a response.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:43 AM
May 2020

While I still think this is an agent provocateur, perhaps, we should wait and see.

On closer examination of the photos, something about the eyes and bridge of nose don't seem to fit.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
63. if an op got removed that is disappointing
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:49 PM
May 2020

umbrella man is a cop...I feel it

remember the only lie they can't tell is, whether or not they are cops...everything else is freegame

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
42. I don't know if I buy that's him, the eye color
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:19 AM
May 2020

is wrong. Although the high cheekbones, the slope of the shoulders, and the shape of the eyebrows look like a match - the eye color in the masked photo is much lighter than the brown eyes of the police officer. Not close enough to convince me - I’m open to convincing, but this set of photos doesn’t do it for me.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
43. If I had a hammer and was smashing windows, I'd be grimacing out of fear of glass hitting me--
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:20 AM
May 2020

—even with all that protective garb on.
This guy was nonchalantly breaking those windows with one hit, like he'd done it a hundred times.

Blue Owl

(50,373 posts)
47. Suspicious and Sinister AF
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:33 AM
May 2020

Fuck this guy and whatever dick he's riding in on -- he needs to be ID'd and exposed for inciting violence...

Richard58

(239 posts)
49. This guy has to be a cop.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:41 AM
May 2020

I can't imagine this guy is a protester. He is wearing a gas mask that looks exactly like the ones police use. He is an older White male who looks very physically fit and he is casually breaking windows with a baton. And when confronted he just walks away and refuses to engage verbally with the protesters who challenge him. Now I may be wrong but I doubt it.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
55. It's definitely false flag, it usually is.
Fri May 29, 2020, 04:02 PM
May 2020

It's something I've seen since the 60s, so I can't say I'm particularly surprised.

What I would sttongly caution is hanging a name on it. Apparently he was outed by his ex wife, so an investigation is sorely needed to figure out if it's him or another member of law enforcement.

One giveaway is the official OR grade respirator. Those are not going to civilians or even most front line health care workers, who are lucky to get N-95 masks they have to reuse for a week.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
56. The guys that broke into the Police building with the sledge hammers and stuff were
Fri May 29, 2020, 04:19 PM
May 2020

skinny white boys also.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
58. I saw it on a video... kind of dark but the hair cuts kid of gave it away.
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:07 PM
May 2020

I will try to find the video later on. I am sure a lot of video will be coming out.

LeftInTX

(25,331 posts)
65. Brats
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:22 PM
May 2020




Andy Ngo is a right wing person...but still...these are brats who are outside agitators.

(I personally do not like black bloc or Antifia)

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
59. Are you people serious?
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:09 PM
May 2020

I bet you all had Darth Vader pegged as Anakin from the beginning amirite? Something about the faceplate looked familiar.

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