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Link to tweet
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He is not wearing police issued filters for his mask. May not be police issued mask.
lark
(23,099 posts)Absolutely would not put it past him to hire someone to do this, he hires actors for every rally pays them to yell and scream and wave posters so he has a long history of this. The whole thing was very strange, like it was being staged for black people to be blamed and even killed.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)program on the Urban View channel on SiriusXM this morning said this person had been "checked out" and was a police officer. Joe Madison listened but was wary and said he would try to confirm this.
This video is circulating widely and is the topic of much discussion and speculation.
Thanks for posting; I'd heard about it but hadn't seen it until now.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)Hes too in shape to be an anarchist
Too well equipped to be an improv protester
Works the baton professionally
Walks away to points unknown rather fast (probably an unmarked staging area)
That is a cop. Period.
ms liberty
(8,574 posts)Of general trouble makers you see in these events, but he does seem quite businesslike and efficient in his movements. Very professional, calm, and when the person recording him got too close, a quick, well placed shove backed them off. Could also be a private group hire/s by right wing groups, people with military training or experience? I'm thinking an Erik Prince type outfit for instance - I wouldn't put it past him to get involved in a little domestic upheaval, and he's probably not the only one out there.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)Not like he was muttering F the cops or no justice no peace or anything at all.
Thats not a protest.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)ms liberty
(8,574 posts)You were right, he's been outed by his exwife.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)These cocksuckers have caused more death and destruction in riots than any rioter!
ms liberty
(8,574 posts)judesedit
(4,438 posts)He does have that sneaky, snarky white-supremacist air about him though. I wouldn't doubt it to be true.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)The black umbrella on a warm sunny day was an interesting touch. You'd think he would have tried to blend in better.
Nictuku
(3,613 posts).... just speculation, but it makes sense. He had what looked like an expensive hammer. The guy came prepared for the task.
Has this been on MSM yet? This is outrageous.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)I watched a little bit of TV early this morning, but haven't turned it back on. I've only seen a couple of articles where the police department says it is NOT the cop that witnesses said it was. Whether it is or not, this should be an important news story though.
ms liberty
(8,574 posts)They were really quite obvious, all in black with the umbrella, mask and all. Videos like this one need to go viral. AND...Protestors need to organize to be ready for these infiltrators and turn the tables on the ones creating the violence, because their aim is to see the real protesters discredited by their actions.
Liberal In Texas
(13,552 posts)They really want to stoke a race war.
ms liberty
(8,574 posts)If we can start outing them like this it will help in the fight to get these tactics stopped...maybe. We need to spread it far and wide.
Liberal In Texas
(13,552 posts)St. Paul police:
But as KARE reported, St. Paul police released a statement disputing these reports. A department spokesperson said that Pederson was among the officers working to keep the city safe during protests.
We are aware of the social media post that erroneously identifies one of our officers as the person caught on video breaking windows in Minneapolis. We want to be perfectly clear about this: The person in the video is not our officer, said St. Paul Police spokesperson Steve Linders.
https://www.inquisitr.com/6080600/jacob-pederson-st-paul-protest/?fbclid=IwAR2ISMZtUFpwZcTlo4KuFpyJrD8X2OOjz0XTrEP4DLg0ql1BgxGZFhVVhp4
More information may come out in the next few days.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)That is all
mainer
(12,022 posts)Release Pederson's body cam footage to show us he where he was at that time.
It's hard to trust anything the police claim.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)How he walks. How he stands. How he talks.
I believe her.
Liberal In Texas
(13,552 posts)wherever he was. It's hard to see, but it doesn't look like the window breaker was wearing a body cam. The umbrella was kind of weird touch. To keep from being seen by a police helicopter?
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)If he's supposedly working with his colleagues, then the footage should be continuous. Any sudden gap would be telling.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)which are often mounted overhead on buildings and light poles and such.
PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Thank god for internet detectives. How do they do this?
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)But they, as are we, are interested in finding out who he is.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)It is a cynical, nefarious tactic to incite.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)somebody whos been on Twitter since its inception, 99% of the time Twitter users have accused somebody of something, theyve been wrong. Im familiar with COINTELPRO so wouldnt put it past the cops, could also be an anarchist , though.
mainer
(12,022 posts)And it seems she recognizes the gear he's wearing.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Those have been faked before , too, though. Somebody needs to get hold of this lady and interview her to verify this.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)and sway public perception and judgment of what is righteous anger at an unjustified murder. They want people to think it's a bunch of lawless criminals stealing and damaging property instead of peaceful protesters demanding policy changes from political leaders.
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)A bunch of people said they were going to continue to "tear it all down", while I agree with you there were peaceful protesters as well, there were a lot of people tearing up buildings, looting and basically ransacking the area. One youth even held up a police belt, that he had taken from the Precinct that they broke into and burnt down, as if it was a trophy.
I do not disagree with you that cops want to discredit the protest. I just want to point out that now it has moved on and there is now a second stage that we are witnessing. Whether it was started by a cop smashing windows or some other bad actor is almost moot at this point, since people have picked up the baton and are using it themselves now to tear it all down.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)The bad actors will get most of the attention and will justify ignoring the good people with legitimate concerns. It's precisely why the bad actors take advantage of the situation to sow distrust all around.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)They provoke. They instigate.
They start chain reactions.
To make public opinion turn their backs on the cause.
Incredibly effective.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Probably paid by Kroll the troll do ramp things up.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)I mean the umbrella? Come on
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)I question why he did not use a headset with his phone instead of sticking the phone under the mask headband
JHB
(37,160 posts)1) Signaling device. Tells certain people "I'm on your side" and can be clearly seen from a distance. Also easily stowed away when done.
2) Obscuration device. There are a couple of other videos he was caught on, and he has it tilted low enough that his face can't be seen.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)Civil unrest is never a good solution. Promoting it from unexpected sources (paid provocateurs) is never acceptable, yet it happens.
The racial divisions and all of its ramifications should be understood and dealt with by an intelligent, caring government, yet this administration has allowed open racism and white supremacy to crawl out from the sewage pit where it rightly belongs.
The African American community has the right to be outraged. The countrys principles are in retreat due to the hatred promoted by this administration and for this reason alone, although there are many, this administration needs to be removed from office.
I fear the worst and pray for the best.
Kid Berwyn
(14,904 posts)Gin up support and all that.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)Funny the Alex Jones types always accuse the other side of that which they are guilty of. Now who popularized that tactic?
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)The whole umbrella and mask thing would have been to prevent identification, but would not prevent him from standing out in a crowd.
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)While I still think this is an agent provocateur, perhaps, we should wait and see.
On closer examination of the photos, something about the eyes and bridge of nose don't seem to fit.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)umbrella man is a cop...I feel it
remember the only lie they can't tell is, whether or not they are cops...everything else is freegame
Aviation Pro
(12,167 posts).that ought to raise the tin foil level.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)pnwest
(3,266 posts)is wrong. Although the high cheekbones, the slope of the shoulders, and the shape of the eyebrows look like a match - the eye color in the masked photo is much lighter than the brown eyes of the police officer. Not close enough to convince me - Im open to convincing, but this set of photos doesnt do it for me.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)even with all that protective garb on.
This guy was nonchalantly breaking those windows with one hit, like he'd done it a hundred times.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)Blue Owl
(50,373 posts)Fuck this guy and whatever dick he's riding in on -- he needs to be ID'd and exposed for inciting violence...
Richard58
(239 posts)I can't imagine this guy is a protester. He is wearing a gas mask that looks exactly like the ones police use. He is an older White male who looks very physically fit and he is casually breaking windows with a baton. And when confronted he just walks away and refuses to engage verbally with the protesters who challenge him. Now I may be wrong but I doubt it.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)It's something I've seen since the 60s, so I can't say I'm particularly surprised.
What I would sttongly caution is hanging a name on it. Apparently he was outed by his ex wife, so an investigation is sorely needed to figure out if it's him or another member of law enforcement.
One giveaway is the official OR grade respirator. Those are not going to civilians or even most front line health care workers, who are lucky to get N-95 masks they have to reuse for a week.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)skinny white boys also.
murielm99
(30,740 posts)Did anyone film it?
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)I will try to find the video later on. I am sure a lot of video will be coming out.
murielm99
(30,740 posts)If this is true, it should be publicized.
LeftInTX
(25,331 posts)Link to tweet
Andy Ngo is a right wing person...but still...these are brats who are outside agitators.
(I personally do not like black bloc or Antifia)
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I bet you all had Darth Vader pegged as Anakin from the beginning amirite? Something about the faceplate looked familiar.