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Sat May 30, 2020, 09:34 AM

We're not stupid': CNN's Van Jones accuses prosecutors of putting ex-cop Chauvin on path to 'exonera

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/were-not-stupid-cnns-van-jones-accuses-prosecutors-of-putting-ex-cop-chauvin-on-path-to-exoneration-for-floyd-death/

‘We’re not stupid’: CNN’s Van Jones accuses prosecutors of putting ex-cop Chauvin on path to ‘exoneration’ for Floyd death
Published 3 mins ago on May 30, 2020By Matthew Chapman



On CNN Saturday, commentator Van Jones warned that the prosecution of the Minneapolis police officer involved in the death of George Floyd sets him up to be left off easy.

“The idea that you could have a lynching, you know, an officer lynch a man,” said Jones. “That was a lynching. Not one minute, not two minutes, not three minutes, six, seven, eight minutes, providing someone of oxygen, a spectacle in front of a whole community, you have a lynching. You have not just an officer doing it, but you have three police officers there and do nothing to intervene, in fact defend him. You can then give — I’ve never heard of third degree murder. I’m an attorney. I’m in my 50s. I’ve never heard of third degree murder. Not to arrest the other officers and we’re all going to say thank you very much and go back to what we’re doing."

"You know, if you have third degree murder, this guy is going to plea down to a traffic ticket,” said Jones. “I’ve been black a long time. We’re not stupid. This is the beginning of an exoneration, not a conviction. We’re very sophisticated in our community about how law enforcement works. But you always get a bunch of charges in the community, in the hood, you’ll get 57 charges, and then you’ll plea down to four."

More at link.

I am not a lawyer, but I've never heard of 3rd degree murder. Anyone?

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Reply We're not stupid': CNN's Van Jones accuses prosecutors of putting ex-cop Chauvin on path to 'exonera (Original post)
SheltieLover May 2020 OP
still_one May 2020 #1
SheltieLover May 2020 #3
lapucelle May 2020 #7
Igel May 2020 #11
Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #4
comradebillyboy May 2020 #5
DonCoquixote May 2020 #6
Hav May 2020 #8
Solomon May 2020 #9
lapucelle May 2020 #14
we can do it May 2020 #10
qazplm135 May 2020 #12
MaryMagdaline May 2020 #13
BannonsLiver May 2020 #15

Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:38 AM

1. There are three states that have it. Florida, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania.

"If an individual intends to harm another person, but not kill that person, and the person dies anyway, charges of third-degree murder will likely be filed. A person convicted of murder in the third degree may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years and a payment of a fine of not more than $40,000"


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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:39 AM

3. Thank you!

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:59 AM

7. Anyone who says "I'm not stupid" after having just claimed

"I've never heard of X" (implying, therefore, that X does not exist) is definitely stupid.

A media personality making these claims is dangerously stupid given the possibility that some in the audience might latch on to a narrative grounded in ignorance of state criminal law.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #7)

Sat May 30, 2020, 11:08 AM

11. If he has a cell phone or a computer with an Internet connection

and 30 seconds, it would fix the problem.

Took him longer to say how correct he was than it would have to actually have been correct.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:38 AM

2. Well, it is a good thing the prosecutor is not a Hillary supporting female.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:42 AM

4. It's a specific definition under Minnesota law.

The statute, Minn. Stat. § 609.195, says: "Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree." They charged Chauvin with 3rd-degree murder because they believe they can prove the elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt; the video is strong evidence of a "depraved mind." On the other hand, first-degree murder requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he specifically intended, with premeditation, to kill Floyd. This is an extremely difficult burden of proof for the prosecution and it would almost certainly result in an acquittal. Cops are almost never convicted of first-degree murder, but another officer, Mohamed Noor, was convicted of third-degree murder by the same prosecutor two years ago. The probability of a conviction that carries a 25-year sentence is more important than the symbolic charge of first-degree murder that eventually fails, IMO.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:44 AM

5. Is Van Jones still blaming Hillary for every bad theing that

happens?

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 09:57 AM

6. keep in mind

even the WWE does not let their people attack the back of the neck. There is a wrestling move called a piledriver, that they no long allow (yes there is a variant they made, but it is for looks). Reason begin is that the back of the neck is easier to injure.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 10:01 AM

8. I think we can safely ignore the opinion of someone

who regards liberal Clinton supporters as a greater problem than racists in the KKK.
I wish we could ask Floyd how much danger he sees coming from female Clinton supporters in comparison to racist fucks.

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Response to Hav (Reply #8)

Sat May 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

9. Yeah but you can't ignore that fucked up medical examiner's report.

I'm glad the family is doing their own autopsy.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #9)

Sat May 30, 2020, 11:55 AM

14. Do you have a link to the medical examiner's report? N/T

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 10:25 AM

10. Fuck Van Jones. He's enabled this shit all along.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 11:20 AM

12. Basically it's a version of reckless homicide

You did something so reckless that death was a real or likely consequence of your actions. It's a step above negligent homicide.

I suspect that the prosecutors are concerned about over charging and getting an acquittal. Thus this charge and the lesser manslaughter charge.

But in this case charge every little in the alternative, 1-3, and then see what you can prove up at trial.

I don't think Jones is right. The prosecutors know taking a low level plea would triple what we've seen the last few nights.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 11:45 AM

13. Better to have a lower charge than to overcharge

Overcharging is how killer cops go free

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 12:00 PM

15. Van lost the plot some time ago, I'm afraid

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