We need to STOP thinking how the protests will "turn" the election to Donnie Dollhands

[maxrandb]

and begin thinking and planning how Biden can win 49 States.

I've seen numerous (is that you Vlad?) posts trying to compare this to 1968 and how that "helped" Nixon.

There's several flaws with that comparison.

First - LBJ, a Democrat, was the incumbent and decided late that he would not seek the nomination.

Second - we were embroiled in a disasterous war that was blamed on LBJ.

Young progressive voters were chanting "Hey, Hey LBJ, How Many Kids Have You Killed Today?". Today, those same voters are marching on the White House asking how many Donnie Dipshit has killed today.

Currently, there are about 1-2% of Americans that can proudly say "I'm better off now than I was 4 years ago". That's it! The rest of America is struggling to stay safe and alive.

- Millions, and rising, Americans infected because Dipshit Donnie failed

- Over 105K, and rising, Americans dead because Dipshit Donnie failed

- 40+ Million Americans newly unemployed and 20-25% unemployment rate because Donnie Dipshit failed

- The complete fucking laughing stock of the entire world because Donnie Dipshit failed

Even his own mother, if she ever loved him (hint: she didn't, that's why he's the way he is) would disown him and dress in sackcloth because of his record.

the only question you ask a president with that record is; "when are you going to resign"?

This is not the time to worry about the orange asspickle using racism and hatred for his benefit. He's been doing that his whole life.

Fuck - if there was no unrest, he'd still use racism and hate. It's all he knows.

I'm done jumping through his fucking hoops.

I'm done worrying how he can "win".

It's time to start thinking about and working to win 40-45 States.

[StarfishSaver]

1. Thank you

[LakeArenal]

2. We need confidence and faith. WE WILL WIN WITH JOE.

I believe it.
If as they say, we are better than that, then be that. If you say, what would my grandma think, then you should believe, too.

WE WILL WIN WITH JOE!

I believe it.

[pamdb]

3. I really really really hope so

But the phrase "Southern Strategy" keeps going through my mind. Nixon, Wallace, Reagan scaring the white democrats in the south to turn republican.
I really, really, really, hope not.

[BannonsLiver]

4. This.

Defeatism appears to be as contagious as the virus. Lots of folks on DU have been infected, I’m sorry to say.

The ‘68 comparisons the defeatists cite are low lying fruit and a bore, frankly.

[fishwax]

5. Great point -- this series of events *will* affect the election, but the "how" remains in play

What's past is prologue. What's to come in yours and my discharge.

[The Magistrate]

6. Hear Hear, Sir

Gen. Grant at the Wilderness once exploded at his staff, all long in service with the Army of the Potomac, for continually warning him Gen. Lee would make this or that devastating move, saying roughly 'Stop telling me what Bobby Lee's going to do and start figuring out what you're going to do to Bobby Lee!'

I do not discount there is some danger these events may increase support for the cheap thug, but they are occurring, will have whatever effect they do, and hand-wringing over that serves no good purpose.

Two general propositions seem to be in conflict here. Chaos and upheaval tend to work against the incumbent, and racial unrest tends to increase white support of racist politicians. The things may well balance out, and produce little change in public sentiment overall. Political strategizing might best be focused on fastening responsibility for chaos on the cheap thug whose misrule is in fact responsible for the general condition of unrest.

You are quite right to point out the great differences between the '68 and the present day. That memory is something to keep a wary eye towards, but it is not a prophecy for this year's election.

[AleksS]

27. This!

I think you hit it on the nose with: "Political strategizing might best be focused on fastening responsibility for chaos on the cheap thug whose misrule is in fact responsible for the general condition of unrest."

Nixon won as the guy who was not in office and was promising to bring back law and order. Trump can't be that since his administration brought the chaos in the first place.

When you're running the show, and it's a shitshow, then you can't run as the guy who'll stop the shitshow.

[shockey80]

7. Trumps attempt to cover up a pandemic, ended his chance to win re-election.

He cannot fix this catastrophic mistake. No one, no miracle can save him.

[lunatica]

25. Trump has lost his grip on controlling the narrative

He has stumbled and made a hard faceplant in his attempt to control the message. His problem is that he can’t deal with it so he’s incapable of rolling with the punches that life doles out. He still believes he can control everything. Therefore the lessons everyone else is forced to learn regarding life’s vicissitudes are completely wasted on him.

He is no longer ahead of the game. He’s been left in the dust as the world grapples with the real problems it faces. The pile of forgotten history is waiting for him.

[lucca18]

8. Exactly!

We need everyone to vote out this crazy dictator!
Enough of all this ugliness from trump!
We need to make America “whole” again.

[Penn Voter]

9. I agree

and thank you for your post! I don't have the defeatist attitude which is "oh no, this is going help Trump."

Trump is in charge and is a failed leader. Most of America knows that and so does the world.

Pennsylvania won't be stupid again and give its electoral votes to Trump. Even older white men are starting to see the light and turning against the orange menace because they are worried about their social security checks and that this "pro life" president sees them as expendable.

I am concentrating on a landslide victory against Trump with the Democratic Party retaining the House and gaining the Senate. We need the vaccine to eradicate Trumpism and that is via voting this disease out of America.

[GoCubsGo]

10. Thank you.

I'm getting really tired of having to trash all the hair-on-fire threads about how Trump's incompetence is going to hurt Democrats in November. Enough already.

[Squinch]

11. I was one who made the comparison to 1968, and no, I'm not Vlad.

The fear is a valid one.

I daresay that all of us who point this out are already working for Biden. None of us who remember how this played out before is jumping through anyone's hoops. None of us denies that Donny Bodybags has failed.

Personally, I have been working and donating to him for a long time. It isn't a matter for me of "starting" to think about it NOW. You're just starting?

But we would be fools to assume that it's all over. We would be fools to think they will not attempt to use this to their advantage, and we would be fools to think they will not use this in their cheating and propaganda. We would be fools not to acknowledge that and not to have a plan for how to fight it.

Ignore that fact at your - and my - peril.

[maxrandb]

23. If there were no unrest, they would still use the southern strategy

There's one person to blame for the shitshow our country has become, and that's Donnie Shit for Brains.

All he has is racism and hate.

[Squinch]

40. You know that and I know that. He will convince at least 40% differently.

Our job is to keep it to 40%. And that requires acknowledging what we are up against.

[sandensea]

12. Great points. If Repugs want to compare election years - I'd say: try 1992

[ehrnst]

13. Tell that to BrieBrie Joy and David Srirota... The're sniping Biden left and right, and telling

people to vote for Bernie where they still can.

I wish Bernie would publicly contradict them on their smearing of Biden, instead of just saying "they're not on my payroll any more" as if thats some sort reason not to.

[Demsrule86]

14. I agree ...no more doom and gloom...we are going to beat the crap out of Donnie.

[CBHagman]

15. I've lost track of all the learned helplessness posts/tweets

We've all seen them: Some comment on events as they are, with the observation that the result with be good fortune and reelection for Trump.

I don't doubt that genuine anxiety propels a lot of these posts and tweets, but I do object to the notion that we're dealing with Teflon Don. There are many reasons we need to stop wringing our hands and get down to business and elect people who can lead, people who care what happens to families and communities.

[maxrandb]

20. If this dipshit was the Captain of your ship, would you rehire him?

If he were your significant other, would you spend another second with him?

If he were your banker, would you put your money in his hands?

If he were your neighbor, would you elect him as HOA chairman?

If he were your priest, would you attend his church?

Hell, this would be like the survivors of the Titanic signing on for another cruise with Captain Smith because the Carpathia used 2% milk instead of whole milk in their ice cream.

[Magoo48]

16. Yes, indeed.

Tie these white nationalist pendejos to Agent Orange; he who inspires them.

Support massive police reform nationwide, and keep speaking out against racism and brutal, out of control police departments.

[marlakay]

17. He hates all this would resign if he could get pardoned

By all of it. I bet he is broke too and hoping to do something to steal money before he leaves.

[lunatica]

29. For all we know he might

be actively looking for a country with no extradition agreements with the US to escape to AND having no luck at all! What country would want him? What leader would put up with his constant avarice and need for attention? Who wants to welcome someone with the neverending constant carping and self pity whining that Trump indulges in?

[marble falls]

18. Bingo. We don't need to sell out to win!

[crickets]

19. Well said. Thank you. nt

[UTUSN]

21. K&R

[Viz]

22. Exactly right....Our thoughts play a role

The future is not set in stone.....We the Collective shape the future with our thoughts and intention.
Feelings of defeat even before we begin is not the solution. Let's try knowing that we got this.

[Polybius]

24. You said 49 at first, but then said 40-45

I think that's more realistic. 49 these days is tough. Idaho, Alabama, Mississippi and Oklahoma are not turning Blue. A win is a win though, I'm more than happy even with a small one.

[maxrandb]

32. Yeah, anything above 30 States would be a landslide

Mississippi is a generation of racist away from being competitive, I wouldn't count out Alabama yet.

Having spent some time in Idaho, I'm not so sure it's flippable, but attacking Romney like he has won't help him.

Here's the thing.

If Democrats turn out... and I mean really turn out! 40+ States is not inconceveable.

OH should be a definite target.

They've gerrymandered the fuck out of it, and there are spots of it that make MS and AL look like bastions of progressive brilliance, but like everywhere else... when Democrats turn out, Democrats win.

[Polybius]

38. Well, it depends which of those 30 states are won

For example, Trump won 30 in 2016, but that wasn't a landslide really. But if Biden wins 30 states with 400 Electoral Votes, that would be a landslide for sure. Gerrymandering only affects congressional districts, not statewide elections (unless you think George Washington Gerrymandered the states to favor Republicans lol j/k).

I completely count out Alabama. Trump's approval is over 60% still there. I also forgot West Virginia. He won by 42 points there. Flipping it will be next to impossible. TN will be tough too. OH I think we win. FL too. Maybe TX, but I lean no. GA is a coin toss.

I agree with you on 40. In fact, that's probably my prediction. I think our ceiling is 42 for now, but a lot can change. By late October we should know for sure how many states over 30 Biden will win, baring any unforeseen setbacks. For now though, my prediction is 40.

[ecstatic]

26. Thanks. I'm sick of it! Nt

[DinahMoeHum]

28. Thank you!!! Folks, Trump is NOT gonna win this!!

He's gonna LOSE, and the GOP is gonna LOSE. BIG. TIME.

The only question is: by how much ???

In the words of that ragin' Cajun, strategist James Carville:
". . .HE'S GONNA GET HIS FAT ASS BEAT !!!!"

The GOP cannot win this election, - but we have to be on guard as they will try to RIG this election.

GET THE FUCK OVER THIS 2016 MENTALITY !!! That's ancient history now.

For further inspiration:

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#newrostrong

[SayItLoud]

30. KISS. Keep it Simple Stupid. Make *Leadership*

the byword of any Biden conversation. tRUMP can't point to one thing he's lead this country forward on. Of course he will lie and claim multiple leadership accomplishments but no matter what Biden et al put forward tRUMP will lie and denounce it as fake. But, if we keep it simple, the leadership. On Corona and protests it's simple and clear. Just my 2 cents.

[greblach]

31. How about 50 states

Would be nice to win 50 states and seal the end of Trumpism...

[totodeinhere]

36. Historically, landslide wins don't mean that much by the time the next election rolls around.

Nixon won by an historic landslide in 1972 helped along by the Eagleton debacle. But then 18 months later Nixon was out of office. LBJ won by a landslide in 1964, only to go on to not even running for reelection in 1968.

So I am not sure if a landslide win would end Trumpism or not.

[Polybius]

39. Only George Washington won every state

Reagan came the closest since by barely losing Minnesota in 1984.

[stopdiggin]

33. the narrative that this is going to help Donnie "win" is flat wrong

It's also flat out truth that the quicker the most incendiary part of this subsides .. the better for Biden and our side. Violent clashes and burning are not to our advantage either. The name George Floyd should very much carry forward through the rest of the summer .. and the campaign. But it should be carried forward with pictures of people bowing their heads .. taking a knee .. and holding hands .. of which there are many.

We win this one folks. Stay vocal. Stay angry. But, after this weekend (and I'd suggest after last night), stay home.
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Thank you.

[totodeinhere]

34. I think it's very legitimate to be concerned about the electoral consequences of the current

situation whether or not there is a valid comparison to 1968.

The goal is to defeat Trump in the election. Therefore we should prepare ourselves for any possible scenario. And yes it would be nice to beat him with a 49 state landslide, but whether we beat him in a landslide or win by just one electoral vote, Biden would become the president in either event.

We need to be prepared for Trump campaign commercials showing video footage of the riots. It has always been a part of Trump's playbook to incite fear among white voters and to incite racial divisions. In fact that has been part of Republican electoral strategy ever since Nixon came up with the southern strategy. Trump has just doubled down on it.

[maxrandb]

37. I just don't think the incumbent president showing videos of riots helps him

It would be like Tony Romo showing video of him botching the hold to convince people they should hire him as the holder.

It would be like General Custer showing video of his last stand to convince people to give him another regiment, and although Titanic references are as annoying as Hitler references...

It would be like Captain Smith showing video of Titanic hitting an iceberg to convince White Star Lines to give him another command.

[Thekaspervote]

35. Agree!! Posters need to stop hanging crepe and stirring up doubt!

[wnylib]

41. I feel reasonably sure that we can win

in November. But complacency is a mistake in any election, so I don"t assume a win.

I am also sure that Donny Death will try to use the protests and riots against us. Isn't he already trying to do that? He wouldn't be himself if he didn't.

People have to take a stand for values and rights.

My main concern about what is going on now is not whether we can win an election in November. It is the retaliation that the Deathmonger and his gang will come up with. As I type, radio news (NPR) is reporting that Trump has declared: 1) Antifa is responsible for the riots, and 2) Antifa is a domestic terrorist group and will be treated as such.

[Shiv]

42. Part of that will necessarilly be..

Thinking about what to do *when* we win.

I know it's obvious and likely we all are aware of it, but it's important to remember the obvious sometimes. Especially when everyone is seeing "scary" images and being ginned up on their anxiety. Presenting the alternative. Presenting . The . Alternative .

Calms, steady, every guy Joe.

(even if you don't 100% feel that way or about his policies, he's who we've got. He'll do what the people seek. He'll listen. Im preaching to the choir again.... We just have to get the bills on his desk, anyways.)

Having ingenious and creative solutions to give people positivity to rally behind will be just as important as not letting up for a single second on preventing people from forgetting what has gone wrong and how important it is to stop the damage ASAP.

[PNW-Dem]

43. Trump Pandemic, Trump Recession

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