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brewens

(13,620 posts)
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:37 PM May 2020

If Dr. King changed the world, perhaps you could tell me who changed it back? My

response to a meme on FB showing Dr. King and saying, "Looted Nothing. Burned Nothing. Attacked No One. Changed the World." Seems like a relevant question.

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marybourg

(12,634 posts)
1. Contrary to the meme on fb, the civil right struggle
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:51 PM
May 2020

was fought by tens, hundreds and thousands of people, distributed, like all people, along a curve of human behavior and belief. Dr. King preached and practiced non-violence. And was a wonderful orator. And a powerfully influential figure. But he did not struggle alone. And he did not erase police violence in his time. And did not erase bigotry and discrimination.. The struggle continues and maybe shows us the limitations of what be achieved in one generation and one belief system.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. Thank you
Sun May 31, 2020, 09:43 PM
May 2020

Dr. King was a truly great man. But he was not the civil rights movement.

Unfortunately, some white people watered him down into an almost unrecognizable, milquetoast version of his true self, a version they could feel comfortable with but who ever actually existed. And then they elevated his role in the movement to the point that they believe he WAS the civil rights movement. But it's a myth.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
2. Pretty much everyone since then.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:02 PM
May 2020

That is the thing about it. The minute our side makes any progress, politicians and individuals who want it back the other way start chipping away at any progress we made and they take it as far back to the extreme as they can take it.

Half the time, whether we realize it or not, we help it along to go backwards too, by not fighting hard enough except when it is right in front of our faces. We rest more than they do in between doing things and it hurts us. The rest of the time things go back to politics as usual. While we think we made a little progress or we think things are ok, things are not ok.

Behind the scenes, they never stop.

If we want to keep the world changed, we have to be continually on it, like they are. We have to never stop, like they do. We have to watch them closer and see what they are doing and fight them.

How many states right now have outlawed abortion using Covid-19 as an excuse?

That should give you an idea of how they work behind the scenes constantly to undo anything we did for rights of any kind. They will use any and EVERY, which is the most important thing to remember, excuse to undo whatever took us ages to do. They never miss any opportunity to swoop in and change things to what they want. And they do it with ease. We have to bust our asses and they just swoop in and do whatever they want with ease. That's how it is.

When it comes to race, white people who are against racism, against it at least in theory, have fallen down on the job, time and again. Many of us are against it in theory, but we don't always stay on it as a priority. We don't always listen. We don't always pay enough attention. So, things happen to black people all the time that we don't know about, until a video is posted somewhere.

For every video that is posted, they have been through that time and time again with no video posted and no attention paid to what they are going through with police and our entire governmental system.

That is what led us to this point.

We only bother to try to think of solutions for a few days after we saw the latest video. We don't follow through. Our attention spans move onto other things. We don't listen enough to the black community when they mention what it is like for them without some video right on our plate in front of us to face. It is true.

Ask them and listen.

Remember the listen part. You can confirm it that way.

So, Dr. King DID change things, for a time, but over time, all of his work has been eroded, not just by the right wingers, but by our own laziness at paying attention and listening to the black community. We we have not remained vigilant and we rest too much in between major events, while the Republicans never miss an opportunity to pervert the system to their liking.

sop

(10,243 posts)
3. Dr. King had "a dream," but it still hasn't come to pass.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:04 PM
May 2020

Dr. King didn't change the world. His "I Have a Dream" speech is full of references to promises not kept. If alive today he would be the first to say things haven't changed that much for the better in America.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
4. Change is a journey, not an event.
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:12 PM
May 2020

Along the way there will be obstacles, struggles, and battles, and at times it may appear that we've gone backwards, but we must persevere.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
5. Not much has changed
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:48 PM
May 2020

Blacks won the right to sit in the front of the bus. Whites just used wealth to buy more cars and drive instead of using public transportation.

Fountains are shared so we now have bottled water.

Schools are desegregated, so they used property taxes to fund them so rich white schools had better funding.

Police brutality and drug laws continue to oppress.

Voter suppression and a framework that protects the power of the old Confederacy maintains the oppression.

no_hypocrisy

(46,182 posts)
8. Ronald Reagan began his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, where the three
Sun May 31, 2020, 03:18 PM
May 2020

civil rights workers were murdered. Dog-whistled to white supremacists how he (Reagan) supported "states' rights." That was the first time since Dr. King's assassination that a public official offered his hand to racists.

(BTW, when he was governor of California, Reagan was just as racist. When Patty Hearst was kidnapped, her father fulfilled an SLA demand for her release: to provide free food to the poor. The food was provided in cans and boxes. Unfortunately, small riots broke out due to the size of the crowds (mostly African-Americans) and the poor organization of distribution. Reagan quipped, "Shame that there isn't any botulism . . . . . . . &quot

sop

(10,243 posts)
9. Ronald Reagan, who railed against "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" and "strapping young bucks"
Sun May 31, 2020, 04:27 PM
May 2020

buying T-bone steaks with food stamps, employed Lee Atwater to create modern-day, coded Republican racism.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
10. A facebook meme with no citation is not a quote.
Sun May 31, 2020, 06:30 PM
May 2020

Dr. King never said this. It's just someone else's idea of a "clever" saying, and it means absolutely nothing.

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