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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 11:59 AM

Pantagruel (2,397 posts)

Maybe the Govs should call Trump's bluff?

"President Donald Trump threatened to mobilize the military to restore peace across the U.S. late Monday."
Really?

Anyone else see logistical problems if every Gov. accepts the help?

Every state is bending under the costs of increased security and the Moscow Mitch controlled fed paymasters are denying them more help. Surely the states might welcome not having the burden of huge increases in cop overtime. And to be honest, from what I've seen, cops aren't that proficient at crowd control. Waive the "posse comitatus" issues once so important to the RWNJ and let Trump deal with it, says I.
Just maybe the military might grow a pair and do the right thing.

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Reply Maybe the Govs should call Trump's bluff? (Original post)
 Pantagruel Jun 2020 OP
LineReply Yeah - no way that could backfire
 lame54 Jun 2020 #1
LineLineReply Backfire?
 Pantagruel Jun 2020 #9
LineLineLineNew Reply I don't mind spitballing...
 lame54 Jun 2020 #18
LineReply I'd like one to say: Hello, yes we have this problem in D.C....
 Brainfodder Jun 2020 #2
LineReply The Posse Comitatus Act is now a blockade to fascism.
 roamer65 Jun 2020 #3
LineLineNew Reply Um, that quaint Posse Comitatus Act thingy was nurtured in 2006
 Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #13
LineLineLineNew Reply These changes were repealed from the Insurrection Act in 2008.
 roamer65 Jun 2020 #15
LineLineLineLineNew Reply They were - the john Warner Act was repealed.
 jmg257 Jun 2020 #16
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Ah, I'm not current on it, but I understand The Posse Comitatus Act is still largely nurtured...
 Brother Buzz Jun 2020 #17
LineReply I think they already have called his bluff. Yesterday on DU I read that not one governor, of the...
 SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #4
LineLineReply Correct.
 roamer65 Jun 2020 #5
LineReply And Trump will blame the governors for the dead bodies in the streets, because
 no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #6
LineLineReply He's already blaming
 Pantagruel Jun 2020 #11
LineReply I hate it when I have to sniff my socks to tell if they're okay or need washing. n/t
 rzemanfl Jun 2020 #7
LineLineNew Reply ...
 Celerity Jun 2020 #20
LineLineLineNew Reply LOL. n/t
 rzemanfl Jun 2020 #21
LineReply If gov really do care
 angrychair Jun 2020 #8
LineLineNew Reply It's been tried/threatened in the past
 LTG Jun 2020 #14
LineReply I get what you are saying - but no
 JustAnotherGen Jun 2020 #10
LineReply Military is one of those guests that is rude, obnoxious, and doesn't know when to leave
 Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #12
LineNew Reply Maybe you should read up a little on the subject before posting - I dont feel like
 Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #19
LineNew Reply yeah. no
 obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #22

Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:00 PM

lame54 (33,307 posts)

1. Yeah - no way that could backfire

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:08 PM

Pantagruel (2,397 posts)

9. Backfire?

Sure it could but we're not doing so great now. Time Trump was exposed for the emptiness of his rhetoric. No way the military could or would deploy to 50 states for police duty.
And maybe the sight of troops on the streets might wake up some people to what's going on under the GOP.
Just spitballing here.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:56 PM

lame54 (33,307 posts)

18. I don't mind spitballing...

But sending in the military is a big fucking phlem filled loogy that I don't want to get hit with

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:01 PM

Brainfodder (5,456 posts)

2. I'd like one to say: Hello, yes we have this problem in D.C....

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:03 PM

Star Member roamer65 (33,427 posts)

3. The Posse Comitatus Act is now a blockade to fascism.

I want the law respected and strengthened.

Arresting fascism an unintended consequence for the act, but it is needed right now.

Definitely need to add to the act a 2/3 majority of both houses for override of the law.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:31 PM

Star Member Brother Buzz (32,742 posts)

13. Um, that quaint Posse Comitatus Act thingy was nurtured in 2006

It's revision passed overwhelming by both House and Senate, and signed into law by GW Bush in 2006.

Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws ... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law ... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act#2006%E2%80%9307_suspension

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:18 PM

Star Member roamer65 (33,427 posts)

15. These changes were repealed from the Insurrection Act in 2008.

If they are still in Posse Comitatus they need to be removed.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:28 PM

jmg257 (11,996 posts)

16. They were - the john Warner Act was repealed.

In 2008, these (2006/07) changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.[12] It was originally written to limit presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:32 PM

Star Member Brother Buzz (32,742 posts)

17. Ah, I'm not current on it, but I understand The Posse Comitatus Act is still largely nurtured...

and there are enough loopholes built into it for the orange anus to drive a Deuce and a Half through.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:04 PM

Star Member SWBTATTReg (19,175 posts)

4. I think they already have called his bluff. Yesterday on DU I read that not one governor, of the...

50 has asked for help/aid from rump's feds. Not one. My understanding is that the governors must ask for such help before rump can deploy fed. troops in their states. Wash. DC is a different story, I think.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:05 PM

Star Member roamer65 (33,427 posts)

5. Correct.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:06 PM

Star Member no_hypocrisy (41,826 posts)

6. And Trump will blame the governors for the dead bodies in the streets, because

THEY asked HIM for help. It wasn't HIS idea . . . . . .

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:18 PM

Pantagruel (2,397 posts)

11. He's already blaming

the Gov's for virtually every problem from CV-19 to "weak" responses to "riots". We need him to display HIS incompetence once again.
Look, he won't send troops, he's bluffing. It would be a catalyst for chaos from the right and left.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:06 PM

Star Member rzemanfl (29,126 posts)

7. I hate it when I have to sniff my socks to tell if they're okay or need washing. n/t

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:41 PM

Star Member Celerity (34,320 posts)

20. ...

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:02 PM

Star Member rzemanfl (29,126 posts)

21. LOL. n/t

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:07 PM

Star Member angrychair (7,478 posts)

8. If gov really do care

They should be mobilizing our state national guard to protect their state citizens from trump's militant forces.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:02 PM

LTG (214 posts)

14. It's been tried/threatened in the past

In the “50s and ‘60s when Presidents sent troops into a state and the specter of state against federal troops arose the President federalizes the Guard calling it to active duty. This removes the state’s National Guard from the control of the states. They are then ordered back to barracks.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:10 PM

Star Member JustAnotherGen (30,405 posts)

10. I get what you are saying - but no

You can't give that s.o.b. an inch.

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:25 PM

Midnight Writer (18,316 posts)

12. Military is one of those guests that is rude, obnoxious, and doesn't know when to leave

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Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:01 PM

Kashkakat v.2.0 (1,728 posts)

19. Maybe you should read up a little on the subject before posting - I dont feel like

researching for you. Your post is a series of uninformed, naive statements.

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Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:44 AM

Star Member obamanut2012 (23,709 posts)

22. yeah. no

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