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jorgevlorgan

(8,325 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:34 AM Jun 2020

curious: do you believe you have ever been a victim of institutional racism?

I have a few times, but not close to as much as others. Have you ever been targeted because of your race or felt your life endangered by the police because of your race, skin color or religion? Sorry I know this is a loaded question, but I am just curious what you have to say.


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curious: do you believe you have ever been a victim of institutional racism? (Original Post) jorgevlorgan Jun 2020 OP
Yeah, which time? 2naSalit Jun 2020 #1
Not myself, but saw it daily in the criminal justice system. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #2
Frankly that sounds like something other than racism Azathoth Jun 2020 #7
This isn't a border town. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #20
Yes but no police encounters Blasphemer Jun 2020 #3
I'll admit I'm one of the privileged ones. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #4
I am half asian and half German ancestry jorgevlorgan Jun 2020 #6
No, but I seen it a bunch. Iggo Jun 2020 #5
No. But I grew up in Montgomery bamagal62 Jun 2020 #8
Not race, but definitely religion. Jamastiene Jun 2020 #9
I grew up white, so the only racism I saw was perpetrated by the likes of me. Croney Jun 2020 #10
The family DH and I came from is white but, when that fact was not offered Backseat Driver Jun 2020 #11
Not racism, but many, any cases of sexism. sinkingfeeling Jun 2020 #12
Grew up black in a black neighborhood constantly harassed by white cops. Solomon Jun 2020 #13
I'm white so I've never been a victim of institutional racism Bettie Jun 2020 #14
No. Lifelong gender bias, though, and a bunch of distinguished Hortensis Jun 2020 #15
No, but I was witness to it. haele Jun 2020 #16
As a white male, no. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #17
I'm white, but yes. judeling Jun 2020 #18
I'm a white male and I can actually answer this as a yes (though definitely not life in danger) Amishman Jun 2020 #19

Nevilledog

(51,183 posts)
2. Not myself, but saw it daily in the criminal justice system.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:46 AM
Jun 2020

To this day the Prescott Police Department uses a cover page for all police reports that gives only two options for suspect ethnicity: Hispanic and Non-Hispanic.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
7. Frankly that sounds like something other than racism
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 02:00 AM
Jun 2020

Since it would mean that whites, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc. all get classed under the same racial category.

Sounds to me more like a flag for potential immigration-related issues.

Nevilledog

(51,183 posts)
20. This isn't a border town.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

Calling it an immigration issue is about as racist as it gets. You're Hispanic so you must be here illegally?

This has nothing to do with immigration.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
3. Yes but no police encounters
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:48 AM
Jun 2020

My brother has had many of those. My first clear experience of it was watching television as a kid. People like me were not protagonists. Then there was going to public school in a mostly Black neighborhood and palpably feeling the disregard, lack of resources, and lack of investment. And many more.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
4. I'll admit I'm one of the privileged ones.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:01 AM
Jun 2020

Being white, cops are civil to me most of the time.

My best friend, even though he's mostly of German & Scottish ancestry, has black hair and a touch of Native American ancestry. I've seen cops immediately take a really sharp tone with him right off the bat.

Most cops are racist pricks.

jorgevlorgan

(8,325 posts)
6. I am half asian and half German ancestry
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:42 AM
Jun 2020

I know that sharp tone and looking down a barrel of a gun all too well.

bamagal62

(3,269 posts)
8. No. But I grew up in Montgomery
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 02:08 AM
Jun 2020

In the 60s with a Dad and Mom that supported the civil rights movement. Several phone calls in the middle of the night threatening to burn a cross in our yard. My Dad was having none of that. Told them he’d walk over their dead body on the way to work the next day. Funny enough the burning cross never happened.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
9. Not race, but definitely religion.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 02:14 AM
Jun 2020

You should make separate polls for the different things cops attack people for.

Don't forget to include transgender too as a reason cops will attack someone OR do nothing when someone attacks. They resent the thought of having to consider attacks on transgender people a crime at all too, ESPECIALLY against transgender people of color. They get treated the worst of anyone, imo.

Watch John Oliver's recent episode about race and about what all is happening. Seriously, it is enlightening. You will see some of what I am talking about there too.

Backseat Driver

(4,394 posts)
11. The family DH and I came from is white but, when that fact was not offered
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 06:22 AM
Jun 2020

by photo or actual presence, it's quite possible we were victimized because of our residence's zip code???

I do recall that many years ago, members of the church we attended regularly south of town all begged off an annual planned holiday activity we had offered to host at our home north of town, racially polarized by those points of the compass. One of the members actually did mention. with a chuckle, that they were afraid their cars would be vandalized or worse, surprisingly not an expectation of the possibility that bad weather might make driving back home late at night difficult in winter or excusing themselves with any illnesses. Hmmmm....

The church I was raised in withered and died as older members passed, but the congregation never extended a friendly welcome to strangers in a neighborhood of changing demographics. I've had lots of untrue social hassles and shade thrown my way by my parents and sister over the years; she married a black man, a great guy with a family we both liked immensely - go figure! My daughter is married to a college-educated Latino whose parents were Nicaraguan immigrants to the West Coast. Both men were Catholic - so religious bigots as well, then? I've had to do a lot of work to evolve from privileged white elite RW Christian fundamentalist German Lutheran roots - maybe more so from that part of embedded privilege, I suppose.

I do remember having Little Black Sambo Viewmaster reels and playing an on-the-road game called BFCD (black folks can't drive) - I won't discuss the rules of play here! It's embarrassing to have had one's FIL call attention at a high school band activity where lots of POC parents we knew were present saying too loudly that a little pickaninny toddler was cute with a pointed finger - to be fair, he was very deaf and refused to wear his hearing aid and had no way to judge the volume of his own voice -- still, all these things I came to know as evidence of that embedded racism. Our home was a frequent place for all my kids' friends. LOL - maybe because we provided the pizza and safe listening ears when they wanted to "talk" to us about their sometimes quite personal problems at home and school, or just with each other.

Ashamed of such, I've grown and matured and spoken up when required. Thank goodness for education and experiences in integrated community living. I no longer go to any sect of organized church; can't deal with the group-think of all sorts of prejudice , i.e., you can't love who you love or be who you are cuz it's a sin"- now it's personal and spiritual--open to acceptance of any faith and orientation except those that walk those bad paths that limit the experience of community peace and love.

Though officially illegal, a realtor thought it relevant enough, off the record, to give an unsolicited warning of future home value, crime stats, etc...of a home we had chosen to consider at a lower price point than those south of town where we had rented an apartment sight unseen because we moved for a job offer after a year of unemployment in a 30 day sprint to DH's start date just before the Christmas holidays. We received many "white flight" and "disloyal to family, friends and God" comments about our choice to pull up stakes.

My DH has endured unemployment where its quite possible zip codes of our past/present residences on background checks may have triggered a negative response when applying for an opportunity - never proved that, but...can't believe how long his unemployment lasted in a purported "thriving" IT field at the time before all those crises. For a fact, upon one Charles Manson meet and greet, the interviewer remarked that they were "surprised" he was not Asian? Can't for the life of me think where that type of comment could begin...although his initials begin with a letter many Asians have trouble pronouncing. Perhaps they made fun of it prior to the meeting.

What's hardest for me is having American employers say we're were not smart enough and too costly to be employed while corporations loaded their offices with H1B's from foreign nations, merely trained to the test, and by Americans no less, so to speak, but little else about American norms. I remember telling one accustomed to servants at home in the Philippines that she needed to pick up her own mess in the lunchroom. I remember acting as this colleague's private immigration secretary, explaining by letter that she had nursing skills my boss could not find Americans to do the work that she did anywhere else in America, really? - I told her how hard that was while my DH, an educated American, remained unemployed; she didn't like it much but there it was! I fulfilled my "all other job duties as assigned." - I can only say that I'm working on that issue of right and privilege in America for the sole reason that I'm a citizen who does recognize that privilege of birth.

Immigration policies sure need revamped - more compassion and a low-cost time-limited path to citizenship or else go home to help your own country; essential thorough and fair vetting to replace the horrible way we've treated migrant workers and asylum seekers at our southern border. No one believes our streets are paved with gold anymore, but it should not be that seekers of better lives are not provided a generous opportunity to become a citizen, to work as hard for their employers, and to receive essential basic medical care, good equal educations, and the chance of work that meets the cost of those aspects of American life to follow as citizens. A chance at that which our Constitution promised instead of one marked by splitting families up by caging and losing their unrecorded children so they cannot find them ever again. I just don't have enough words to enumerate the injustices of TPTB of this administration as it refused to deal with it as well as even more important issues facing us. SHAME!


Solomon

(12,319 posts)
13. Grew up black in a black neighborhood constantly harassed by white cops.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 07:53 AM
Jun 2020

I'll skip over the many incidents of my childhood, like being run off of looking at products in stores etc., to get to law school in Berkeley California in the 70's when my white neighbors were constantly calling the cops to report some black guy mulling about every time I took the trash out. The cops would come to my door and demand to search my apartment. I would show them my Berkeley law school ID and demand they get a warrant. Of course they never did get a warrant because they never had a legitimate reason to search my apartment.

I won't talk about the difficulty in getting jobs despite my stellar resume, Brown University undergrad and University of California at Berkeley School of Law. Wound up starting my own law practice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. No. Lifelong gender bias, though, and a bunch of distinguished
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:03 AM
Jun 2020

AA women have felt that of being black and being female, being female was the greater handicap. And since half of all racial groups are female, gender equality IS a huge racial equality issue. No race can have equality without gender equality.

haele

(12,673 posts)
16. No, but I was witness to it.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:10 AM
Jun 2020

And I made an official complaint because it was against a member of my crew.
2002, Jacksonville Shipyard. He was apparently WwB according to the locals.

Haele

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
17. As a white male, no.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:28 AM
Jun 2020

There are a few times in my life where I’ve felt I’ve been treated unfairly for no justifiable reason but not having anything to do with my race, and it’s given me some sympathy for those who have been the victims of racism.

But no, I myself have not been the victim of racism and I won’t pretend that I have.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
18. I'm white, but yes.
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jun 2020

At least I interpret them so,
My last week of High School is the clearest. I was in the library playing Hammurabi with a group. Finals were done and we were just hanging. This was a magnet school and I was there for the last two years to help achieve some sort of racial balance (this was the same school Prince went to). A guy came in and started hassling everyone, he eventually zeroed in on my group and picked on a couple of he geekiest. No getting any response he became increasingly belligerent and started hitting two of them on the head, eventually he pulled a knife. I came up behind him wrapped my arms around him and turned to the librarians and asked them to ca;; the vice-principal. After it was resolved later in the day I was called to the principal and suspended. The guy was not a student was in his 20's and had been a problem for the school over the last couple of weeks. But to defuse racial tensions I was suspend and would have to go to summer school to get my health credit (previous school had health and gym combined). This was purely because I was white and surely institutional and definitely life changing. Oh and stupid as within the school I was known and not unpopular especially as my eating fire for the talent show the month before was a huge hit.

Sorry this still pisses me off as they knew I was dependent on grants and scholarships, and they had not hesitated to use me as propaganda for the success of the program. That is the core of institutional racism the categorization of the individual to the group.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
19. I'm a white male and I can actually answer this as a yes (though definitely not life in danger)
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jun 2020

Years ago one of my many contract jobs as for a company with a large majority of their IT department being Indian. I had my code sabotaged, was given the worst tasks (including ones well outside my intended role), was cut out of the loop as much as possible (really bad in an agile shop).

One of the few permanent employees I got along with invited me out to lunch after a month or two of this.

He quietly explained that whenever HR fills a position with someone not Indian, the IT managers do their best to drive them off. His advice was to openly and frequently say I'm not interested in staying at the conclusion of the project, and they'd ease off. I took his advice (which worked) and gritted out the last few months of the contract then moved on.

So my answer is yes, but this was absolutely an isolated incident. I've work a lot of IT contracts (until recently I averaged two per year across my career), and only ran into this once.

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