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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn general, why do most white men vote Republican?
Not only white cops, firefighters, sanitation workers (I live New Jersey, a lot of white male government employees vote Republican), but white men in general?
What do they see in the GOP?
I am surprised to see so many white males in deep blue New Jersey drink the Trump kool-aid.
Sports talk radio ain't any better. They spout GOP talking points as well.
That doesn't mean that Democrats shouldn't write them off electorally, Democrats need 4 out of 10 white male votes to win, but why do a lot of them vote GOP?
Dan
(3,579 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)cally
(21,596 posts)Privilege
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)Misogyny, racism and jesus.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)BComplex
(8,064 posts)Jesus was totally not misogynist or racist. Saul, on the other hand....
Mariana
(14,860 posts)He was horrible to the Canaanite woman, only because she was a different ethnicity. When she pleaded with him to help her child, first he rudely ignored her. Then he told her, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel," and compared her to a dog begging for scraps at the master's table. Only after she groveled enough to suit him, and agreed with his dehumanizing characterization of her, did he relent and heal her child. Matthew 15:21-28
As for his misogyny, how many of his disciples were women? Zero, right.
BComplex
(8,064 posts)and, like donald trump, Cain wasn't a favorite of the bible.
Mary Magdalene was as much his disciple as any of them, but the misogynists who put the new testament together wouldn't have it.
The other disciples were actually jealous of her, because he told her things in private that he didn't tell them.
IMHO, Jesus was the ultimate liberal.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Exactly. He was rude to her, and compared her to an animal because of her descent, and for no other reason. It's no different than a modern-day racist comparing African Americans to animals.
The stories in the Bible don't portray Mary Magdalene as being equal to the disciples at any time. She doesn't seem to have been allowed to participate in most of their group activities. I suppose it could be argued that she was "separate but equal", but that doesn't sound too good, does it?
StarryNite
(9,460 posts)Supposedly they were inspired by God but the only way we know that is because they said they were. So one could surmise it was the men who wrote the Bible stories that were misogynists and racists and were projecting that onto their Bible story characters. And again take note that all the books in the Bible were written by men.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)That was a made up religion after Jesus was gone for a long time.
matt819
(10,749 posts)They hate and fear women as well as men and women who are not white. Add religion for the haters who might also all themselves religious. But thats third, I think.
Bev54
(10,072 posts)be interested in any man that supports Trump. So so they know yet that women find it a very unattractive trait.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Thats the dream of some of his base.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)To maintain the privileged status they hold that they see slipping away from them. To them, women, minorities having equal status means that they no longer have the same level of power and control over society and they can't handle it and won't allow it. The GOP is the party that seeks to preserve that privilged status for them by keeping women and minorities "in their place" through voter suppression, policies that circumvent their power and status, etc.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You have explained it quite well.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)thinking was and my answer was close to yours, but I think you really nailed it! I'll pass it on to him. He just can't grasp what and why any person in their right mind would vote for a republican - and then Trump comes along and that really screwed with his mind. He has early dementia which exasperates the problem.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)Until they do, then it's always because THEY couldn't control their accidental circumstances.
It's always the OTHERS who just aren't trying, not them.
Edit:
Point out all the stuff they couldn't have done without the help of others, to shatter their "self-made man" image, and watch them howl with anger. It's one if their CORE myths, the self-made man.
The angriest that I ever saw my white male coworkers react to Obama was when he tried to point out how we rely on each other, in the "you didn't build that" talk.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Why is the show Forged in Fire a thing?
Why do men buy naked girl mags?
Why do men buy naked girls?
There are no answers.
All things my husband or any previous relationships never did.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)I don't know why. I think painting a room is like building the pyramids. I'd never do it.
The rest I plead innocent!
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)So manly, who or what are you killing?
They use a human simulation and cut it all up. Geez, looeez.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)I've known guys into sword collecting. I'm not one of them but I do like looking at them.
To these guys, there is a huge difference in quality between decorative & weapon swords. Decorative swords can take an edge, but won't be razor sharp & don't hold the edge.
So, one sword would cut, but not kill with a single blow.
With sword people, it's what sets weapon swords from decorative reproductions.
Now, let's be honest, a cheap steak knife could kill in the right circumstances, so it's a pretty fine point. But it matters to sword makers.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)I love forging. I'm absolutely fascinated with it. I'm a white male btw lmao
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Eh thats sadistic.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,377 posts)Where is this store that one can buy a naked girl?
Asking for a friend.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Yeah same for a friend of course
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Slowly we are changing.
I havent voted Repuke in a general election since 1984.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thank you!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... to be culturally minimized so greater good mentality is festered.
Attack the funding sources of hate radio in pulses for 2 weeks and we can reduce their threats IMHO
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)naturally turn into the fold.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)There seems to be a heavy peer pressure component
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Most of the front office Yankees executives are Republicans.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Like me and those I associate with would rather die than vote for today's republican assholes.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)The majority of white male voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. The majority of white male voters will probably do so again in 2020. They're pretty reliable.
budkin
(6,714 posts)That's pretty much it.
Freethinker65
(10,048 posts)Most Republican officeholders are white men.
3Hotdogs
(12,408 posts)These are mostly lower income areas. Now what's interesting, my daughter bought into Hunterdon County, near Frenchtown. Before she bought, she researched the voting registrations and election outcomes in her prospective town. Dems are 70+ % of registered voters in her town. Dems win the elections. Yet, when I drive around there, all I see are Trump signs. I have yet to see a Biden sign. Biden will win N.J. so I have no concern about this.
Why do they support Republicans? They are frustrated. Their jobs suck and they have little hope of anything getting better. If anything, things have gotten and will continue to get worse. And who's to blame? I don't have to answer that for you, do I?
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)I live in Sayreville.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Now the politically correct people are going to be offended, but if you want to flip them, they need to be labeled as Fucking Pussies.
I know them, hang out with them, to a man, they are scared, ignorant wimps. Afraid about retiring with limited savings, afraid about their social standing. So there are two paths for them, band together and feel strength, (hard to combat) or make them realize they are scared fucking pussies.
We can't provide them the racist hug, that comes from Repubs, we can hold a mirror up to them and show them that they are scared fucking pussies.
So, anything short of calling them out won't win over votes.
You want to make them feel good or do you want to win?
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)CincyDem
(6,386 posts)Voting for republicans (or throwing away a vote on some half assed third party hack) is an act of privilege. In many, it may be flat out racism and or sexism but for a lot of guys...it just doesnt matter...cuz the day after Election Day, theyll still be white males, the proverbial alpha in the hierarchy of the past 400 years.
shanti
(21,675 posts)IMO as a ww.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)They identify with Republicans because they believe that Republicans will be better at preserving their White male privileges. They hate White Democrats and Liberals because they want to take away their privileges.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)rights and privileges they have.
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)Setting aside racists and sociopaths, the next big predictor is cultural. People very often are imbued with the belief systems of their parents, their peers, and their community. Young minds can be influenced by negative or harsh treatment for lack of conformity to the cultural belief system -- especially when politics are intermixed with religion. Add to that the confirmation bias of decades of programming from rightwing talk radio & Fox News, what you get are tens of millions of voters enraged at Democrats and liberals who they believe are trying to tear down everything they hold sacred -- God and country.
People caught up in all that will seldom if ever be able to admit they've been conned and that nearly every political belief they hold is based on a mountain of lies. They can't admit it to themselves, and they certainly won't confess it to others. Perhaps if their life brings them to live in other environments or other countries and make friends who have a very different and more reality based wordlview they can change, but most people never leave their bubble.
Growing up on the far southwest side of Chicago, I can tell you that racism was very prevalent in my working class neighborhood. My family was an exception, with parents and an elderly aunt who were very progressive. The N-word in our non-religious household was a sin. One morning in April 1968 I came downstairs to find my aunt sobbing. She had just heard that MLK was assassinated. When I went to school that day there was an air of celebration on the playground. The parents of my peers were happy "they finally got" the N*****!
Another prevalent attitude aside from racism is greed, or at least the argument that people who work hard for their money shouldn't have their taxes going to support a bunch of lazy good for nothings who'd rather be on the public dole than go find a job. I got mine, now you go get yours. They believe Democrats perpetuate dependency on government programs to win elections.
But why are men more likely than women to still support Hair Twitler? Well, I think the fairer sex truly is (in general) more fair, sensitive, and kind. Also, this POtuS is a serial adulterer and a sexual predator who has openly degraded women based on their appearance and an offensive vindictive bully. Human beings who have experienced motherhood tend to frown upon such things, whereas men are more likely to respond more positively to macho bravado from a blowhard who says out loud what they think.
Anyway, that's my thoughts on the topic of this thread.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)Will you marry me?
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)I'll have to ask my wife.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)She's a lucky woman!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thanks for your opinion, Martin. Makes a lot of sense.
musclecar6
(1,690 posts)Insecure weak men. Strong men vote for Democrat Women along with minorities and other people that the Republicans think should walk 10 paces behind at all times.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)and a lot of them are just incredibly fucking stupid.
brooklynite
(94,728 posts)I worked hard for my money; don't take it.
Don't tell me what to do
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Any selfish white man will vote Republican, because the Republican party is white men. White men capable of empathy will actually think about the common good, and usually end up voting Democratic.
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Whites are still the majority, Democrats need to win 5 out of 10 white voters, Democrats can't alienate white voters outright.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Very good to have on hand for future reference. Bookmarking this thread.
RainCaster
(10,914 posts)Racism
Pro-life
Guns
Pick one
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Minorities as well are single issue voters as well
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)law and order BS, gunz, maintaining privilege, and the like.
Initech
(100,102 posts)Those are the only reasons to vote conservative if you're a male. Otherwise there's no other reason to.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)mahina
(17,697 posts)Marlboroughs
Yankees
Camel
Budweiser
Its just marketing
genxlib
(5,535 posts)That amount of privilege is hard to give up. Hell many can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that there privilege exists.
Coming from one of those straight white guys who defies the odds.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)and don't understand why things should change
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Don't try to make it seem like we are all the same everywhere. We aren't. This is a regional thing.
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)All voting patterns are regional, Trump didn't get the majority of the white male vote in California. Interestingly, Trump did get the majority of the white female vote in Michigan.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)And propaganda.
In America the majority of Americans are a few missed pay checks from homelessness. In most states Americans can be fire at will with the exception af a few protected classes. In most states if there is a dispute about unemployment, rental agreements, bank errors, and a host of other things, the law tends to side with power and wealth instead of the average person.
At the same time America has a probusiness anti government, anti working class propaganda machine that plays 24/7.
"You work for a living and brown people get special secret welfare". "Your job is in danger because liberals have placed too many regulations on business". "Universal Health Care means you get lower quality care so brown people can get better". Brown people want to steal your job".
The republican party is the daddy party. Even if in truth that daddy is an abusive grifter.
Polybius
(15,476 posts)Most black men vote Democrat. Most stockbrokers vote Republican. Most actors vote Democrat. Most country singers vote Republican. Most who are heavily into art vote Democrat.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Whole thing started in '64 . . . after Goldwater's defeat . . . launch of the 'think tanks', targeted media message, etc.
God, guns and gays was the primary strategy. But these were business guys . . . understood brand loyalty. So, a parallel salient was pursued to brand the Democrats as weak and effeminate . . . GOP as the party of the 'real men'.
Marketing 101.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)By 2017 they were 58% Republican and 35% Democratic. There is no doubt it is the clear choice for clueless white people.
meadowlander
(4,402 posts)A being a pussy is the worst thing a man can be.