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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 08:51 AM Jun 2020

This story is monumental and needs to be shouted from the mountaintops.


(Guardian UK) Outrage has greeted a bombshell New York Times story that says American intelligence officials believe a Russian military intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing foreign soldiers in Afghanistan, including targeting Americans.

The story, citing its sources as unnamed officials briefed on the matter, said that the US had come to the conclusion about the operation several months ago and and offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

The Times wrote: “The intelligence finding was briefed to Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March.” However, despite drawing up numerous options by way of a response, the White House has not taken any action.

As the news broke it triggered a fierce response from top Democrats, especially those who have long pointed to what they say is Trump’s overly close relationship to Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin. ...............(more)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounties-afghanistan-militants-killing-us-soldiers-report-outrage




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This story is monumental and needs to be shouted from the mountaintops. (Original Post) marmar Jun 2020 OP
KFR! Cha Jun 2020 #1
Kick! kentuck Jun 2020 #2
Brett McGurk has been a voice for this handmade34 Jun 2020 #3
This is one reason why we need to see Trump's taxes!! aeromanKC Jun 2020 #4
Seriously? jmowreader Jun 2020 #70
Yes. aeromanKC Jun 2020 #72
Trump is always looking for I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #5
"However....the White House has not taken any action" lastlib Jun 2020 #6
Yep. marmar Jun 2020 #7
Yep uponit7771 Jun 2020 #16
Profound truth here. colorado_ufo Jun 2020 #45
It did take action, sorry you're wrong. Blue_true Jun 2020 #18
Didn't trump send them ventilators mercuryblues Jun 2020 #40
Yes, Traitor Trump did all of that. Blue_true Jun 2020 #48
US sends 200 ventilators to Russia as crisis deepens - Wed, May 20 2020 csziggy Jun 2020 #54
Defend American Troops or Putin? Chainfire Jun 2020 #8
K&R gademocrat7 Jun 2020 #9
Military voters, please take note NBachers Jun 2020 #10
What Better Proof Do You Need That Putin Has Trump by the Balls? panfluteman Jun 2020 #11
I don't want Nikki28 Jun 2020 #12
"Traitor" OMGWTF Jun 2020 #36
Kick dalton99a Jun 2020 #13
What will happen: dalton99a Jun 2020 #14
My crystal ball says yes captain queeg Jun 2020 #17
Yes, Trump/Dump will soon be gone,...So let's sing a song..My crystal ball also says yes. Stuart G Jun 2020 #39
How will his spokesmodel explain away this one? Maybe Trump was being sarcastic? Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #15
This makes the blood boil benfranklin1776 Jun 2020 #19
Democrats need to hang this around the avebury Jun 2020 #20
What is even worse gab13by13 Jun 2020 #21
How recently? It only became public a few days ago. keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #64
K&R To the OP and all responses! c-rational Jun 2020 #22
Write, call your Congresspeople and Senators Blecht Jun 2020 #23
Made it a bad weekend for golfing? maineac Jun 2020 #24
I was wrong maineac Jun 2020 #47
He doesn't care. The republican led Senate will literally let him get away with murder. nt Blue_true Jun 2020 #51
Rolling Thunder says what about this? Boomerproud Jun 2020 #25
They have been and are a bunch of rightwing assholes. Blue_true Jun 2020 #53
kr samsingh Jun 2020 #26
I've got lots of calls to make this weekend Mersky Jun 2020 #27
This story is NOWHERE in the msm. Southerntier Jun 2020 #28
Maddow did a segment on it last night. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jun 2020 #30
I don't think MSNBC is considered MSM. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #59
The MSM is right wing gab13by13 Jun 2020 #31
The M$M wants Trump re-elected Dopers_Greed Jun 2020 #34
WaPo has now confirmed it. summer_in_TX Jun 2020 #69
What I would find weird and creepy is if anyone were making jokes about this story. lapucelle Jun 2020 #74
I first heard about this on Friday night. George II Jun 2020 #76
Wow.. Thank you for all the links to this story, Cha Jun 2020 #77
According to The Hill lapucelle Jun 2020 #78
Thank you so much for your post, lapucelle! THIS! Cha Jun 2020 #79
Are you serious? What media do your read/watch/listen to? George II Jun 2020 #75
Will any Republican, or military leader go on the media to decry the bounty hunting of... FailureToCommunicate Jun 2020 #29
This is just the type of deal our psychopathetic (sic) littlemissmartypants Jun 2020 #32
Conservatives won't care Dopers_Greed Jun 2020 #33
I totally disagree. Conservatives do care. This story goes to the heart of their patriotism. Stuart G Jun 2020 #38
correct Cosmocat Jun 2020 #73
Kick & recommend for visibility. bronxiteforever Jun 2020 #35
K and R...Thank You for posting.... Stuart G Jun 2020 #37
Trump is fucked! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2020 #41
I agree, it is all over..This was the story that some sources said would be big news on Friday... Stuart G Jun 2020 #42
KnR... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2020 #43
K&R. dchill Jun 2020 #44
This just makes me want to vomit. colorado_ufo Jun 2020 #46
Give it a name DeSmet Jun 2020 #49
Right: "-gate" makes stuff sound like just a scandal. This is treason. A total... Beartracks Jun 2020 #71
Kick again for visibility... Stuart G Jun 2020 #50
Yep, Moscow Mitch needs to do some explaining. Also Barr and Russian sweeties Flynn and Stone. gulliver Jun 2020 #52
as a vet who has watched trump llashram Jun 2020 #55
Why aren't we demanding to have this investigated? UCmeNdc Jun 2020 #56
agree let's see the report findings ace3csusm Jun 2020 #57
It's 12:20 in Nevada right now. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2020 #58
kick Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #60
Unbelievable zenlady Jun 2020 #61
K&R n/t AntiFascist Jun 2020 #62
Kick for Trump's secret admirers to read. Kingofalldems Jun 2020 #63
I'm not a security expert Cairycat Jun 2020 #65
When did SecDef Esper know about this? Was he briefed? keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #66
The House needs to impeach him again. He's a traitor Joinfortmill Jun 2020 #67
For corroboration, did Boris know, and what did he do? Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #68

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
70. Seriously?
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 01:00 AM
Jun 2020

Do you really think Trump is going to put his under-the-table payouts from vicious dictators in his taxes?

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
72. Yes.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:50 AM
Jun 2020

Will confirm Putin owns Trump. It will be in the bank transactions. It is a national security issue.

lastlib

(23,226 posts)
6. "However....the White House has not taken any action"
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 09:06 AM
Jun 2020

That needs to be bolded, italicized, underlined, in 72-point font.

Yes, scream it from every hilltop! #TrumpTreason

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
40. Didn't trump send them ventilators
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jun 2020

after denying the to NYC in May. After he learned of this bounty for US soldier body bags?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
54. US sends 200 ventilators to Russia as crisis deepens - Wed, May 20 2020
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020

You remember correctly.

US sends 200 ventilators to Russia as crisis deepens, hopes for ‘better relationship’
Published Wed, May 20 2020 5:01 AM EDT

The U.S. is to send 200 ventilators to Russia after President Vladimir Putin called President Donald Trump to ask for help, according to the U.S. State Department.

The U.S. will start to deliver the ventilators to Russia this week as the country experiences “a true public health crisis due to the Covid-19 outbreak,” the State Department told CNBC Tuesday,

Russia’s coronavirus cases neared 300,000 on Wednesday, cementing its position as the country with the second-highest number of confirmed virus cases after the U.S., which has over 1.5 million cases, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

“In response to President Putin’s request for assistance, President Trump offered to donate and deliver 200 ventilators to the Russian people. The first 50 ventilators are being produced by the manufacturer in the United States, and are expected to be ready for shipment May 20,” the spokesperson said.

More: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/20/us-sends-200-ventilators-to-russia-as-coronavirus-crisis-deepens.html

Nikki28

(557 posts)
12. I don't want
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jun 2020

to hear the lies from Trump and Republicans, I just want Nancy and the Dems to tell him he has to go because he has committed Treason against his country and has betrayed his country or needs to step down or he will be forced out by SOA. Get this trader out of the White house. No excuses or lies. His time is up. Even Chris Hayes says he needs to go.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
15. How will his spokesmodel explain away this one? Maybe Trump was being sarcastic?
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe he knew about it and has a huge super duper missile being prepared?

Whatever excuses, this is treasonous.

benfranklin1776

(6,445 posts)
19. This makes the blood boil
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jun 2020

Paying to kill US soldiers and what’s Agent Orange’s response?? Push for them to join the G-7 and withdraw troops from Germany! In effect rewarding Putin for his heinous acts. Agent Orange’s fealty to Russia at the expense of US lives and our nation’s security should, and I hope will, cause his wretched name to be synonymous with traitor as aid and comfort to Russia seems to be the paramount goal of his foreign “policy.” Henceforth, when calling someone a traitor one should call that person a Trump just like we refer to Benedict Arnold.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
20. Democrats need to hang this around the
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jun 2020

necks if every Rethug that had been protecting Trump. It should be shouted through the rafters that the Republican party does not care about our military. Trump stood by while Russia ordered the deaths of American soldiers. The Republican Party sat back and allowed Trump to run roughshod over this country. Trump hasn't made America great it, he is destroying it on behalf of Putin. The fact that Trump was told what was going on and failed to act is pretty solid proof that Putin owns him.

gab13by13

(21,336 posts)
21. What is even worse
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:31 AM
Jun 2020

if I read this right, Trump knew about this in March and never told our British allies until recently.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
23. Write, call your Congresspeople and Senators
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jun 2020

Tell them you need to see them on TV screaming about this 24/7.

If you do not see your Congressperson and Senators on TV, write/call them again and ask them why they are not on TV talking about this.

maineac

(17 posts)
24. Made it a bad weekend for golfing?
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe they saw this coming and realized golfing shots not a good look.

maineac

(17 posts)
47. I was wrong
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jun 2020

It was going to rain in NJ. So, he's on the course in VA. You know not golfing would have been a good political decision, I held the bar too high.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
53. They have been and are a bunch of rightwing assholes.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

They really only care about the part of the military that agrees with them.

One can say that if they really cared, when Trump attacked the parents of an American Army Captain who threw himself on a bomb to save his men, they would have permanently opposed Trump.

Mersky

(4,981 posts)
27. I've got lots of calls to make this weekend
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jun 2020

And I’m going to be sure to bring this up in every single one of them. Prolly go buy a round of papers. I have letters and postcards to mail to my elected officials.

We knew he was selling out the country to putin. When would there be enough? In brief, Russia if you’re listening?! Helsinki wasn’t enough, caught leveraging Ukraine to benefit his campaign... now this? This is too much.

Tens of thousands of Americans and twenty would still be alive if he wasn’t the pResident.

He’s a traitor. He needs to go.

Southerntier

(8 posts)
28. This story is NOWHERE in the msm.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jun 2020

It’s really weird, creepy. . I mean, It is, nowhere. Nothing. The mainstream doesn’t have a word on this. Anywhere.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
59. I don't think MSNBC is considered MSM.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 03:26 PM
Jun 2020

Her show is still the only place I've seen this on the tube. The networks don't seem to be touching it, probably because they can't find anything near this heinous that Obama ever did, so they won't be able to use their usual "both sides" argument. But Chuck Todd should be able to figure out a way.

gab13by13

(21,336 posts)
31. The MSM is right wing
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jun 2020

and it's the weekend. There are only 3 cable news shows I watch, Nicolle, Rachel, and Don Lemon, once in a while Chris Hayes.

There are more important stories than Trump not protecting Americans, like when do baseball, golf, and football reopen?

Trump will come up with a lame excuse and it will be repeated by the media and his base, or maybe the story will just not be reported and fade away? Yup, I have no faith in our MSM. Democrats should be shouting this out, I know Republicans would be. If enough Democrats raised the roof the MSM would be forced to cover this.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
69. WaPo has now confirmed it.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 12:23 AM
Jun 2020

And the WSJ has an article on it.

Probably wanted to see if they could confirm it before publishing.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
74. What I would find weird and creepy is if anyone were making jokes about this story.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:29 AM
Jun 2020


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Here are some links to the coverage you couldn't find:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/russia-us-troops-afghanistan/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/27/afghanistan-white-house-denies-trump-briefed-russia-bounty-report/3272352001/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/06/27/trump-most-republicans-silent-about-reports-russia-paid-taliban-to-kill-us-troops/#13c31e9f6a45

https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-intelligence-russia-bounties-afghanistan-taliban/30694624.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-taliban-money-kill-us-troops-afghanistan-2020-6

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russians-offered-taliban-bounties-kill-us-troops-military/story?id=71495576

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties-for-killing-us-troops/

https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+paid+bounty&client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=zKT4Xr34IJiwytMP7Ni8wA0&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwi9joiF2KTqAhUYmHIEHWwsD9gQ8tMDegQICxAv&biw=1366&bih=622

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-27/biden-slams-trump-for-inaction-after-russian-bounty-report

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/06/27/sen-tammy-duckworth-demands-senate-hearing-into-report-russia-secretly-offered-bounties-to-afghan-militants-for-killing-u-s-troops/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-spy-unit-paid-taliban-to-attack-americans-u-s-intelligence-says-11593214584

https://apnews.com/a59124b8eb95f6245286ddefe3dd0ffd

https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-intelligence-russia-bounties-afghanistan-taliban/30694624.html

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Even OAN , Fox, Drudge, RT, Newsmax, and Breitbart are covering the story.


lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
78. According to The Hill
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jun 2020
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post and Fox News, however, published reports confirming the Times's reporting.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504890-trump-denies-he-was-briefed-on-reported-bounties-on-us-troops

What exactly is the NYT reporting?

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says
The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

“We stand by our story, the details of which have not been denied by the President's own National Security agencies,” a New York Times spokesperson told The Hill.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
29. Will any Republican, or military leader go on the media to decry the bounty hunting of...
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jun 2020

these service members?

littlemissmartypants

(22,656 posts)
32. This is just the type of deal our psychopathetic (sic)
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jun 2020

president would love. Don't expect any intervention from him unless it's to add seed money to keep it going. As TheFerret says, week after week, "welcome to hell."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/~TheFerret

❤lmsp

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
33. Conservatives won't care
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jun 2020

They only "support the troops" when a Republican president is using the military to execute non-white people overseas.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
38. I totally disagree. Conservatives do care. This story goes to the heart of their patriotism.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

...This will be another reason to get rid of Trump/Dump. This story about this bully...Trump/Dump......
is a fitting end to his career as a liar, Con Man, Russian Agent, and Complete Incompetent. This show is over, so let us bring on Joe.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
73. correct
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:08 AM
Jun 2020

They are far more concerned with another round of made up Antifa is coming to your town to pillage it stories.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
42. I agree, it is all over..This was the story that some sources said would be big news on Friday...
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jun 2020

This story will take some time to get around the country. When everyone realizes Trump has done nothing about this, then
all the s**t will hit the fan. It will take a while, but Joe will clean up the mess come Jan 21 2021

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
46. This just makes me want to vomit.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jun 2020

I mean, literally, vomit. Breakfast oatmeal revisited.

I could never understand why people could not see what was right in front of their eyes during the last presidential campaign concerning Trump's refusal to ever criticize that murderous dictator.

DeSmet

(257 posts)
49. Give it a name
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jun 2020

That's what made Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi work. And please nothing with gate in it. You know FOX would have name on this repeating it news cycle after news cycle.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
71. Right: "-gate" makes stuff sound like just a scandal. This is treason. A total...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jun 2020

... abdication of his duties as Commander in Chief.

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gulliver

(13,180 posts)
52. Yep, Moscow Mitch needs to do some explaining. Also Barr and Russian sweeties Flynn and Stone.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jun 2020

Not to mention the orange clown himself and the Fox "News" channel.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
55. as a vet who has watched trump
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jun 2020

disrespect our military's widows, husbands, wives, sisters, brothers who have served under our colours during his reign, this wounds worse than injuries sustained while conducting one's self in a hostile war zone. Trump is one disgustingly stupid, totally compromised by Putin, human being.

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
57. agree let's see the report findings
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 03:12 PM
Jun 2020

I'm sure Barr is all wrapped up in this we need to no who knew and when they knew...this is sick treason needs to be put in to trail...

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
58. It's 12:20 in Nevada right now.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jun 2020

I've had MSNBC on literally since 5:30. They are just now talking about this. It's been COVID-19 all morning. If they're not covering this, is anyone else?

zenlady

(5 posts)
61. Unbelievable
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jun 2020

This is truly unbelievable almost to the point that I hope that it is not a Dan Rather moment, meaning that this is a set up of fake news. With Karl Rove involved anything is possible. A lot of creditability would be lost. Please tell me I am being paranoid.

Cairycat

(1,706 posts)
65. I'm not a security expert
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jun 2020

I'm just the mom of an enlisted man in the US Army. I understand intellectually the import of this from a national security standpoint. But all I can see in my mind's eye is that Trump is okay with my son being killed for whatever benefit he's getting from the Russians. I cannot begin to tell you how angry and frustrated this makes me.

keithbvadu2

(36,794 posts)
66. When did SecDef Esper know about this? Was he briefed?
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jun 2020

When did SecDef Esper know about this?

Was he briefed?

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