91 - 23 The Mississippi flag vote

[malaise]

Racists lose today - great news.

https://www.kwqc.com/2020/06/28/watch-miss-lawmakers-to-reconvene-for-state-flag-vote/

[Maru Kitteh]

1. NICE!

[Jamastiene]

2. That is a decent split, closer to what it should be.

It's about time.

[guillaumeb]

3. 23 holdouts.

But even in Mississippi, racists are on the defensive.

[spanone]

4. ⭐️K&R⭐️

[panader0]

5. Way overdue. I'm glad it passed.

[leftieNanner]

6. And Governor Reeves

said he would sign the bill.

This has been a very long time coming.

[struggle4progress]

7. Kingdom Coming

[malaise]

9. Video unavailable

[struggle4progress]

12. hmm ... shows and plays for me ...

[malaise]

15. Some videos don't work overseas

[struggle4progress]

22. Say darkies! have you seen ole massa wif de muffstash on his face?

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Goned down de road some time dis mornin like he gonna leave dis place
He seen a smoke way up de ribber whar de Lincoln gunboats lay
He took his hat and he lef very sudden and I speck he's run away

De massa run, ha ha! De darkey stay, ho ho!
Mus be now dat de kindom a-coming in de year of Jubilo!

edit: Henry C Work, 1862

[bobbieinok]

33. Do you have internet source for these words, and for era snd context?

Would really like to know somrthing about this

[struggle4progress]

34. .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Coming
http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/ballads/R230.html

[bobbieinok]

36. Thank you. Hadn't heard of this before

[marble falls]

8. Lost BIG time.

[NurseJackie]

10. Here's one of the proposed designs for a new flag...

... I hope they don't ruin it by adding "IN GOD WE TRUST".

[sheshe2]

18. I love this design.

Thanks!

[paleotn]

30. Nice, but you know....

they'll screw it up somehow. This is Mississippi after all.

[localroger]

41. What is the significance of the 19 stars? /nt

[Takket]

42. if you count the big star in the middle there are 20

and MS was the 20th state

[localroger]

43. OK that makes sense, thanks /nt

[NurseJackie]

44. I don't know. Nineteenth state maybe?

[Brother Buzz]

11. Was it a vote to place it on the November ballot?

[malaise]

14. I thought I heard that the new design will be on the November ballot

This was to get rid of the racist state flag

[Brother Buzz]

24. I misinterpret a boatload of shit....

I hear on the radio in the wee hours of the night. It takes me a bit of time to sort it all out the next day.

[malaise]

25. I get it wrong sometimes

so what - we're human

[efhmc]

13. I am amazed. Never thought that would happen.

[ThoughtCriminal]

16. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

[malaise]

19. Love that song

Perfect for this occasion. Hope they finally bury Robert E Lee

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. I always thought it was too sympathetic to the plight of "Virgil Caine"

I'm not all that nice a person, though. Sure the poor white southerners were exploited and victims of the rich slave-owning aristocracy, but they fought the damned war. I can't just blame the ones at the top.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_They_Drove_Old_Dixie_Down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

[Scruffy1]

32. Same here.

One of the big inducements is that with the import of slaves becoming legal they would be cheap enough that nearly every white person could buy them.

[localroger]

40. It was written by a Canadian

And almost had to be, to manage to be as outside of the conflict as it was. Most of those who fought for the South didn't own slaves, and in fact slavery competed with their prospects for employment. But it was a thing in those days that you defended your home right or wrong, and in those days it was more your state that was your home with the union being a more abstract and distant thing. That is certainly the siren logic that got to Robert E. Lee. But it might be easier to see the Southern perspective from a point about the Japanese in WWII from George Stimson, our then secretary of war -- it is a mistake to belittle the valor of an enemy, because it takes the valor of our own troops to defeat it. And at the end of the day, the surviving Southern soldiers and the families of those who didn't survive were once again citizens of the Union. Their valor may have been terribly misplaced, but to mock it is foolish. Most of them didn't care about slavery, they were fighting to prevent the exact thing that Stoneman and Sherman did. Yes they ended slavery, but to do it they invented war crime. Hallelujah.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

50. Perhaps you intended that to be a reply to another post.

[GulfCoast66]

47. Spare any sympathy you had for those poor white farmers.

My family has been Southern for over 300 years. Many of my direct ancestors owned slaves.

When they fell on hard times, they moved west for better land and worked their asses off until they could afford slaves.

Most of the yeoman Farmers who fought for the south would have loved to be able to afford slaves.

Yeah, there were exceptions. I know one of my ancestors freed his in the 1820s or 30’s, best we can tell. Records are spotty. He used his plantation as a home for destitute elderly whites. But the county paid him for the service. I guess he did not like the role of slave master and found another way to make bank. And the people in the Appalachia part of the south were always pro union. But only because their land was not suited well to slave plantation economy. The Confederacy never really pacified that region. It’s why we have a West Virginia. I never heard they were anti slavery generally.

And never forget, they were not fighting just to preserve slavery, but to expand it west as the US grew. They knew that if slavery was prohibited in new states they would lose the power they had in congress. Which because of the 3/5 clause was pretty dominant.

They were reactionary and there was no limit they would not go to in order to keep their power That they saw slipping away.

Sound familiar?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. My comment was the song was too sympathetic, not me.

[GulfCoast66]

52. Ok. Missed that. I apologize. My bad.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

53. Not a problem. I'm not as clear as I should be a lot of times.

[Pacifist Patriot]

45. Working it on a very personal front.

I am an alum of W&L University. Part of a strong coalition of alum fighting hard to change the name of the institution. Don't give a shit if the name of my alma mater on my diploma becomes obsolete. It must change and soon.

I and countless others are pursuing both change to the name and change to the culture at that school. Lost Cause shit has to be eliminated everywhere! No place whatsoever in education.

I am so tired of reconciling the paradox of getting an excellent education from a racist misogynist institution. My experience was complex to say the least. Thirty years later I am still wrestling with it. It brings me to literal tears, and I use the word literal literally .

Lee was a traitor and a contemptible human being. He deserves no one's respect. The mythology that has been constructed about him is horrific and dangerous. Take that from someone who was indoctrinated into the cult worship of Saint Bob. It is real. It is sick.

[malaise]

46. Great work

Many of us went to schools and colleges associated with racism

[GulfCoast66]

48. Wow. Good luck. What an uphill climb!

It is a great school academically, but outside of religious universities, the Citadel and that crazy school in Michigan, is there a more conservative university?

I assume you want it’s original name? Washington University.

A high schoolfriend went there in the early 80’s. He was a decent guy when in high school. At our 20th reunion he was the biggest dick there. Was not happy that so many of our African American classmates attended even though they were 30% of our class. Even his closest High school friends ended up giving him the brush off. That kind of talk was not generally accepted by educated folks in central Arkansas even in the early 2000’s.


Your post confirms my suspicions about where that came from.

Thanks for fighting the good fight.

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. Yes, that environment could very well account for his change, at least in some part.

Getting involved in this has really opened my eyes. I don't think the school is nearly as conservative now as it was back in the 80s and 90s, but still a conservative stronghold I would imagine. I had no idea there were as many progressive alums as I have encountered.

I wouldn't mind if they changed the name to Dubyanell University. I already have that t-shirt.

[Marcuse]

27. Someone should orchestrate a cheerful allegro upbeat version, suitable for dancing.

[paleotn]

31. Ha!

That they should!

[LuvNewcastle]

17. I am happy to be rid of it.

Now everybody can pick their favorite to replace it. It wasn't politically easy for some of those legislators, but I'm glad they finally did the right thing. I'm so glad we're finally putting this ugliness behind us.

[sheshe2]

20. I was almost afraid to click on your thread...

I didn't want to be disappointed...and I am not.

Thanks malaise.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

21. Unanimity would've been wonderful, but that is a significantly lopsided majority!

Mississippi is trying to climb out of the muck.

[Hav]

26. Good start, but the "In God we trust" on the new flag

should definitely not be mandatory. Sounds like a compromise so that the Rs can justify their vote.

[Blue_true]

38. I am guessing "In God We Trust" was a compromise to get required votes.

And give rurals who voted to remove the flag something to take back home. Since they are starting anew, I believe that "e Pluribus Unum" would have been far better.

[GulfCoast66]

49. While I definitely agree, it is a very religious state.

I’m sure to get the vote they had to throw a bone to the holdouts.

And after all, it is on our coinage. As much as I dislike it.

You get what you can get in politics.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

28. It's about time!

[LiberalArkie]

29. Now if we can get the confederate star off the Arkansas Flag.

[Blue_true]

39. I have a feeling that won't be long in coming.

I am ok with confederate statues and emblems in museums or on Civil War battlefields, but not in public spaces that the general public visit daily. The confederacy was part of our shared history. People choose to go to museums and visit battlefields, they often have no choice but to walk through, walk by or drive by public spaces.

[stopwastingmymoney]

35. 80% - alright, alright I like it

[Blue_true]

37. Great to see.

Mississippi has some great natural landmarks that it can put on it's state flag in the place of the confederate flag emblem.

Long over due.