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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:40 PM Jun 2020

So, is this worse than the Watergate scandal that Nixon resigned over? What do you think?

Russians paying people to kill American troops?.

.President Trump knew & did NOTHING?

Actually supported Russian leader Putin..(Putin has something on Trump???)

Worse than covering up Watergate? Or not worse than covering up Watergate...?

(my opinion)...

YES, I THINK THIS IS MUCH WORSE THAN WATERGATE...

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So, is this worse than the Watergate scandal that Nixon resigned over? What do you think? (Original Post) Stuart G Jun 2020 OP
Yes by far. Considering all the catastrophic damage that's been done. Budi Jun 2020 #1
omg Skittles Jun 2020 #2
Yes, I agree..I watched Watergate very carefully...This is much worse and, Stuart G Jun 2020 #8
Yep. Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #21
There were still Republicans with scruples back then. rzemanfl Jun 2020 #3
Even the ones in there now are aware... Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #23
What I can't figure out is this: moose65 Jun 2020 #36
Yeah, it's nuts... Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #38
Of course it's worse. What has changed most is the rePuke party Glorfindel Jun 2020 #4
Yes, absolutely. Watergate wouldn't even crack Trump's top 5 list. John Fante Jun 2020 #5
No comparison...but remember Nixon wasn't a traitor for Watergate. He was, however, for Karadeniz Jun 2020 #6
"Makes Watergate look like a parking infraction" soothsayer Jun 2020 #7
Watergate is so quaint in comparison. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #40
Nixon was Tricky Dickey edhopper Jun 2020 #9
Rhetorical question, right? Yes, trump is more evil than Nixon, Benedict Arnold, satan, whichever erronis Jun 2020 #10
Gawd yes. Dump's shit is ruining the world. LakeArenal Jun 2020 #11
I think "Dump's shit" will be gone in 2 weeks... Stuart G Jun 2020 #14
Far, far worse. volstork Jun 2020 #12
Yes, the country has shifted so far to the right that 70's extremists are now mainstream Republicans jalan48 Jun 2020 #13
I think him simply breathing is worse than anything Nixon did. Nevilledog Jun 2020 #15
Well, lets examine this... Xolodno Jun 2020 #16
This is not the first "worse than Watergate" scandal for Trump. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #17
I agree..a couple of .."worse examples" thank you...I think this one, with Putin could destroy him Stuart G Jun 2020 #18
I disagree Dirty Socialist Jun 2020 #19
Wonder what is happening with Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #20
I'm not sure what to make of any of this.. stillcool Jun 2020 #22
They did. They proposed 3 or 4 options soothsayer Jun 2020 #25
And here they are (from nyt story): soothsayer Jun 2020 #27
oh...wow. Guess I better read up... stillcool Jun 2020 #29
Ha, no worries! What's important about it is that it underscores that people were expecting action soothsayer Jun 2020 #31
Yes, much worse. ananda Jun 2020 #24
Multiple Trump scandals have been worse than Watergate Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #26
That is definitely true. StevieM Jun 2020 #33
He has a worse than Watergate scandal every day. Itchinjim Jun 2020 #28
This is so much worse. This is unbelievable . leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #30
Yes, it is. In every respect. Nixon was a terrible man, but he understood what government was for... Hekate Jun 2020 #32
Impeach now. n/t marie999 Jun 2020 #34
Yes, it is much worse. Paladin Jun 2020 #35
It could be - the next 48 hrs of media coverage, and Congress response will tell. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2020 #37
So far worse relayerbob Jun 2020 #39
Trump has done many things that are worse than watergate Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #41
Comparing this to WAtergate is like comparing drizzle to a hurricane. Amaryllis Jun 2020 #42
Much worse than Watergate. Almost as scandalous as Obama's tan suit. hay rick Jun 2020 #43
Much worse than Watergate. And Republicans came forward to bring down Nixon. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2020 #44
Nixon was a Boy Scout compared to Trump! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2020 #45
Absolutely Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #46
Yes, Why is trump letting Putin put a bounty on US Troops? whttevrr Jun 2020 #47
Far Worse than Watergate MatthewG. Jun 2020 #48

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
8. Yes, I agree..I watched Watergate very carefully...This is much worse and,
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jun 2020

if proven that Trump knew..., Trump will be forced to resign....same as Nixon..

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
3. There were still Republicans with scruples back then.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jun 2020

I say impeach the motherfucker tomorrow and let the Repukes in the Senate decide which country they belong to. Oh, and there are a multitude of things Drumpf did that are worse than Watergate.

Alacritous Crier

(3,816 posts)
23. Even the ones in there now are aware...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jun 2020

that this is just too much. It will never end until he is gone and if he stays it will negatively effect each of their careers. I think they've had enough. Of course some will stick with him no matter what but I think a sizable number of them are going to turn on him.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
36. What I can't figure out is this:
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:37 PM
Jun 2020

Why don’t some of them who were just re-elected in 2018 grow a spine? They won’t have an election again till 2024, when Trump and all of this will be ancient history. Why do they give a shit what Trump will say about them? They could become national heroes.

Alacritous Crier

(3,816 posts)
38. Yeah, it's nuts...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jun 2020

that someone so mentally, psychically and morally impoverished can hold so much sway over anyone much less the US GOP Senate. It's an embarrassment.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
4. Of course it's worse. What has changed most is the rePuke party
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jun 2020

In 1974 there were (a few) decent, honorable Republicans. Today there are none, and they're proud of themselves for being so loathsome.

Karadeniz

(22,537 posts)
6. No comparison...but remember Nixon wasn't a traitor for Watergate. He was, however, for
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jun 2020

Engineering the cessation of Paris peace talks...thousands of US troops were killed after that.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
10. Rhetorical question, right? Yes, trump is more evil than Nixon, Benedict Arnold, satan, whichever
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jun 2020

bogeyman scares us the most.

trump is evil incarnate.

I thought cheney was really bad. trump is far worse. I'm not sure that cheney was trying to sell out the US as trump is.

trump is particularly evil because he is easily manipulated. Even by dumbshits on fox. He doesn't know when he's being played by putin, xi, dung-ill (nork), grifters and sycophants. because he is such a f'in genius - in his pea-brain only.

ivanka and other family members are probably a tad bit smarter and are trying to milk as much as they can out of 'daddy' and the US before they need to flee.

At least during the watergate era, there were some (r)epuglicons who still cared about this country. Now it's obvious NONE OF THE REPUGLICONS CARE.

Do they think that putin is really going to take good care of them when they need to get out? Sad sacks.


jalan48

(13,870 posts)
13. Yes, the country has shifted so far to the right that 70's extremists are now mainstream Republicans
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jun 2020

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
16. Well, lets examine this...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jun 2020

Nixon;

Third rate burglary for information that all Nixon had to do was call up the Democratic leadership and ask them what they were going to do to him that day and week and would be happy to oblige.

Faces impeachment, not because of the burglary, but because of the cover up. Had he just came out and leveled when he got connected to it, that he had a political intelligence gathering group, but had no idea they were going that far. Oh and, not piss off the most of his own party. He probably could have finished his term.

Trump;

Informed that Russian intelligence agents were offering bounties to the Taliban to send US Troops back home to their parents, wives, children in boxes. And then does nothing about it....not even a phone call to Putin telling him if he goes through with this he will address it publicly, bring it up at the UN, slap sanctions, close consulates, expel diplomats, etc.

Yeap, way fucking worse.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
17. This is not the first "worse than Watergate" scandal for Trump.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jun 2020

Have we forgotten about the Russian's rigging of the 2016 election? That's still being covered up.

IMO, his horrible treatment of thousands of immigrants and migrants at our Southern border is more immoral than Watergate. That's still being covered up.

Just as a couple of examples........

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
18. I agree..a couple of .."worse examples" thank you...I think this one, with Putin could destroy him
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jun 2020

All three are equally as bad, but in different ways...good points...

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
20. Wonder what is happening with
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jun 2020

all that Chinese money laundry proceeds going into Trumps Campaign. Oh thats right,the FEC is not a functioning entity.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
22. I'm not sure what to make of any of this..
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:23 PM
Jun 2020

Trump doesn't know jack-sh*t about most of what goes on in this country. Those that do know, certainly should have proposed action, of some kind. I would think. Nothing about this is sitting right with me.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
27. And here they are (from nyt story):
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jun 2020

Snip

Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
31. Ha, no worries! What's important about it is that it underscores that people were expecting action
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jun 2020

And then there was none.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
26. Multiple Trump scandals have been worse than Watergate
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jun 2020

Russian interference, Ukrainian shakedown, Family separations, Covid, Lafayette Square...the measure of what is a Presidential scandal has changed for the worse.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
33. That is definitely true.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jun 2020

But the measure of what constitutes a scandal has changed for the worse in very different ways for Democrats and Republicans.

For Republicans, they can get away with the most heinous and evil of things. Democrats, especially female Democrats, will be denounced for a terrible scandal over total nonsense.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
30. This is so much worse. This is unbelievable .
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jun 2020

Not only do we have this absolutely horrible man as President we also have these awful Republicans who are just as bad covering for him.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
32. Yes, it is. In every respect. Nixon was a terrible man, but he understood what government was for...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jun 2020

He understood government. And he did not commit treason.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
35. Yes, it is much worse.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jun 2020

Nixon had plenty of faults, but he had a functioning brain---nobody ever considered him to be a fucking lunatic. All the difference in the world.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
37. It could be - the next 48 hrs of media coverage, and Congress response will tell.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jun 2020

There may be something else that ends of distracting everyone, but perhaps this story has legs.

Rhiannon12866

(205,532 posts)
44. Much worse than Watergate. And Republicans came forward to bring down Nixon.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jun 2020

There was no "colluding" with adversaries of this country back then. With Trump, that has happened over and over again.

MatthewG.

(362 posts)
48. Far Worse than Watergate
Mon Jun 29, 2020, 12:50 AM
Jun 2020

This is far worse than Watergate.

Watergate was an unusually brazen political dirty trick that crossed the line into criminality. Politics are often dirty in ways that bend the law. That’s not an excuse, btw. Merely a point of reference.

This (“Bountygate?”) is flat-out dereliction of duty with flagrant disregard for American lives. It veers very close to treason, and may even cross the line.

If I was going to draw a comparison to Watergate in terms of moral severity, the Ukraine scandal would probably be a closer match, although I’d consider the Ukraine scandal somewhat worse than Watergate because it implicated a foreign government, also an American ally, and criminally drew it into the orbit of domestic politics.

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