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Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:34 AM

I wonder what the average age of our speakers at the convention will be.

A Politico article from today “leaks” the current, proposed line-up for virtual speakers at the Milwaukee Democratic National Convention, here:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/07/who-will-speak-at-dnc-392533

On the list:
Jill Biden
John Kasich
Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Bernie Sanders
Michelle Obama
Elizabeth Warren
Barack Obama
Kamala Harris
Joe Biden (obviously)

I have to wonder what the average age of these speakers (our leaders) might be. We are blessed with a deep bench, but I am disappointed to see that we are not featuring some of our younger stars. We have them. At least one of them needs to be featured at our convention.

It’s no wonder that young people don’t vote. If our convention lineup is any indication, it appears that we are not listening to young people. It appears that we are not interested in what they have to say.

Thoughts?

-Laelth

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Reply I wonder what the average age of our speakers at the convention will be. (Original post)
Laelth Aug 2020 OP
ismnotwasm Aug 2020 #1
Laelth Aug 2020 #22
SheltieLover Aug 2020 #2
33taw Aug 2020 #3
Freethinker65 Aug 2020 #7
Laelth Aug 2020 #34
forthemiddle Aug 2020 #55
Laelth Aug 2020 #60
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #4
Laelth Aug 2020 #8
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #12
Laelth Aug 2020 #16
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #18
BComplex Aug 2020 #24
Budi Aug 2020 #37
redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #26
nsd Aug 2020 #28
FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #64
redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #65
karynnj Aug 2020 #29
Laelth Aug 2020 #35
Srkdqltr Aug 2020 #5
Laelth Aug 2020 #13
Budi Aug 2020 #14
treestar Aug 2020 #6
Budi Aug 2020 #10
Budi Aug 2020 #9
BComplex Aug 2020 #25
crickets Aug 2020 #44
Gothmog Aug 2020 #67
ucrdem Aug 2020 #11
Budi Aug 2020 #17
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #15
Budi Aug 2020 #19
Laelth Aug 2020 #20
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #23
Laelth Aug 2020 #36
Budi Aug 2020 #38
Laelth Aug 2020 #39
getagrip_already Aug 2020 #63
Hortensis Aug 2020 #21
Laelth Aug 2020 #27
DenverJared Aug 2020 #30
Budi Aug 2020 #32
DenverJared Aug 2020 #33
George II Aug 2020 #56
DenverJared Aug 2020 #58
GeorgiaPeanut Aug 2020 #59
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karynnj Aug 2020 #31
pinkstarburst Aug 2020 #40
NurseJackie Aug 2020 #41
JI7 Aug 2020 #52
jalan48 Aug 2020 #42
Laelth Aug 2020 #45
FoxNewsSucks Aug 2020 #46
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #48
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Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #57
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #49
JI7 Aug 2020 #53
George II Aug 2020 #62
MineralMan Aug 2020 #43
Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #47
NurseJackie Aug 2020 #61
JI7 Aug 2020 #50
Rice4VP Aug 2020 #51

Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:36 AM

1. Older than I'd like

But filled with incredible depth and experience so I think that’s the trade off.
If you don’t die you get old. It doesn’t lessen your worth as a human being.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:18 AM

22. I don't object to a single person on the list.

It just doesn’t seem representative of the big tent that we need to be right now.

Where’s the voice of our younger Democrats?
Where’s the voice of the LGBT+ community?
Where’s the voice of the Latinx community?

I am certain that the “leaked” list is tentative and incomplete, but I hope that the Party features our diversity in our virtual convention. There’s no excuse not to do so.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:36 AM

2. Should have March for our Lives Kids!

They rock!

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:40 AM

3. Maybe Beto, Amy and Pete.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:51 AM

7. Yep. And there will probably be a surprise or two.

With it being virtual, they could bring lots of people in to say a few words.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:22 AM

34. Pete would be great.

I hope that our speakers reflect the “big tent” that we aspire to be.

I want to see one of our young stars speak. AOC should be given some screen time.

I want to see the LGBT+ community recognized. Pete could fill that role.

I want to see Latinx voices represented. Julian Castro, or any of a large number of people, could accomplish that goal.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #34)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:23 PM

55. Tammy Baldwin is a Wisconsin Senator

I would be shocked if she didn’t have a speaking spot, and she, as a lesbian she could fill part of the LGBT corner.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #55)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:53 PM

60. That would be excellent. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:44 AM

4. no correlation whatsoever...

Young people don't need young people speaking to feel connected, though there will surely be many. What you are listing is prime time speakers. This is a 4 day convention with dozens and dozens of speaking slots.

Clinton (and every other nominee in modern times) had plenty of younger speakers. There is always a keynote for a rising star.

It doesn't help. They just can't be bothered to secure their future. They listen to the ultra far left, and the ultra far right and get angry at the dem "establishment", and then don't show up because they are angry at something. Or there is a party. Or facebook.

Give me a break. The people you list above have speaking slots because they have made vast contributions to the party and have achieved a lot of very valid achievements.

Greta thornberg (sp) could headline the convention, and it would get a huge audience. Then, it would have no effect with the voters you are so worried about.

If they don't know that this might be the last election they can realistically have an impact in during their lifetime, then they are lost to any argument or attraction. That isn't hyperbole.

I think your concern is valid, but vapid at the same time. It's a remnant of the bernie wars and should be left behind.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:54 AM

8. AOC should speak, I think.

We should feature our future. Like her or not, she’s a star.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:00 AM

12. in her own mind maybe.. ;)

She is a first term congress critter. She is very visible, and a target, and should have a shot, but she isn't really any more compelling than any other dem congressman.

Sorry, she needs more time in the saddle to be a star.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:04 AM

16. She gets more media and Republican attention than anyone else in her class.

Like her or not, agree with her or not, she’s a star.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:08 AM

18. not really... sorry.

She does get attacked so there is value there, but so does ilhmar, so did john lewis, so does nancy.

Being attacked by republicans doesn't make you a star. It makes you a woman, a poc, or a muslim. Add a bit of power and responsibility, with maybe a radical edge, and the media joins in.

It doesn't make you a star in the party. It makes you a media favorite.

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Response to Laelth (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:22 AM

24. AOC is indeed a star! I can't believe there are actual democrats who don't see her worth

to the party. When she was questioning Michael Cohen in his hearings, it was HER questions that have led to some actual financial records being subpoenaed, & released by Deutsche Bank.

AOC speaks clearly, and her priorities are slowly being supported by the vast majority of dems (green new deal, for instance!).

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Response to BComplex (Reply #24)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

37. "vast majority of dems"...LoL. Not even close.

 

If Bernie or Warren, who represent a seperate branch of the Democratic Party choose to step aside from their speaker slots to allow AOC then fine.

We have a few more serious new Democrats with twice the creds of AOC that represent a greater demographic.

I'd prefer to hear their voices before anymore from AOC since we all know what she says because we hear about it every chance she gets.

Time to hear from those who have also done some great legislative work & have new ideas & directions to tell about.


I'd prefer Katie Porter & Sharice Davids to AOC anyday.



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Response to Laelth (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:25 AM

26. No way!

The GOP hopes for that so they can have the ads ready to go the next day. We do not need any polarizing speakers this time. The stakes are to high.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:28 AM

28. +1 (nt)

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 04:33 PM

64. I suggest you watch the floor speech

where AOC responded to the asshole who called her a "f****** b****". Then, watch some video of her at various hearings. She may be a star, but she's hardly "just" a star.

She is intelligent, well spoken, and whatever speech she would give would be one that should make any Democrat proud.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #64)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 06:13 PM

65. I did it does not change my opinion on this issue.

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Response to Laelth (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:33 AM

29. I think she will - as likely will John Kerry - as they were the team on climate change

I suspect that the Politico "leak" is just a list of prominent Democrats. I think any one of us could have created that list -- not as the speakers -- but as a list of party elders - though clearly John Kerry and Al Gore should be added. I don't think Politico is known for having an inside tract here. Note they quote blast from the past, Ed Rendell! Note that they are missing almost all younger Democrats and even worse almost all important people of color. WHERE IS REPRESTANTIVE CLYBURN's name? If there is one person, other than Biden, who turned the tide it is him.

I think AOC or Stacy Abrams would be great choices for the keynote speech, which is almost always given to an up and coming star. (There might be some other less obvious people like one of the many young, freshmen national security Democrats - like Mikie Sherrill or one of the new Virginia representatives.)

I suspect that the person who wrote this list is likely old him or herself. President Obama, Jill Biden and Michelle Obama will be the main people endorsing Biden. Bill Clinton may speak - but I doubt that he will be as prominent as he was in the past. (ie he now will be the long ago Past President, less relevant than President Obama. (Think the Jimmy Carter role - although he did get 2 terms) I think, HRC would actually be more prominent than BC ... I also think that a fantastic idea would be for her to be one of the main people endorsing the VP, who will be a woman. I don't know her connections to all the possibilities, but for the main ones they are strong.

Given that foreign policy will be a major issue - along with the many domestic issues - Kerry is very likely the one who will be chosen to speak on climate change and foreign policy. He has long been a Biden friend, an early endorser, and he was instrumental on both the Iran deal and Paris Accord. He and AOC seemed to have worked very well together on the platform. If he were mainly to speak of climate change, it might be interesting to pair the two of them in presenting Biden's platform there. His relevance on these issues make him a better choice than Hillary Clinton to speak on them. (As noted, HRC as the first female nominee could be the one to speak of the VP.)

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Response to karynnj (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:24 AM

35. Thank you for this thoughtful response.

I have nothing to add.



-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:46 AM

5. Bless the older crowd but they need AOC, Beto, and other of the younger people to take the party

Into the next decade.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:02 AM

13. Pete would be great.

Where’s the LGBT+ representation on our lineup?

What is the Latinx community supposed to think? We aren’t speaking to them? We aren’t including them in our Party’s luminaries?

The more I think about this proposed lineup, the more frustrated I become.

-Laelth

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:03 AM

14. AOC's demographic is already represented by Bernie & Warren.

 

We have many outstanding voices & I'd like to hear from a far broader group.

If Sanders or Warren would choose to give up their time slot for AOC, then fine.

The issue is that the convention has been narrowed considerably by time allowance this year.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:49 AM

6. A lot of those young people are for Bernie anyway

and he's one of the speakers.

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Response to treestar (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:59 AM

10. Yes.. Sanders & Warren are both speaking so that demo is well represented.

 

Give us Katie Porter, Sharice Davids, & a few great Democratic voices who bring their own demographic.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 09:56 AM

9. I'd love to hear Katie Porter. She represents many working parents, single or not, &

 

...she represents such a wide group of people who share her struggles, PLUS she is just a non-controversial & mature example of progress.

She is exactly what the Convention needs to represent a generational mix.



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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:23 AM

25. I totally agree with that! Katie Porter is so frikkin' awesome!

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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:39 PM

44. Porter is a great suggestion. I hope we do hear from her as well. nt

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Response to Budi (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:11 PM

67. I am big fan of Congressperson Katie Porter

She is amazing

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:00 AM

11. I wouldn't read too much into this list

These are pretty senior people in terms of status and connections. But I wonder if some of the veep-listers are receiving thanks-for-playing giftbags?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:06 AM

17. I think it's a whole new ball game this year & standard rules don't apply.

 

Time constraints seem to be the biggest issue, as far as what I've read anyway, & having to crunch it all in to a virtual format.

It is a challenge anyhow!

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:04 AM

15. That is far from a complete or final list - why all the pearl clutching?

These are names "rumored" to be on the list. There are four days and dozens if not hundreds of speakers. Young speakers are always represented. No list is final or announced officially.

Your concern is duly noted.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:10 AM

19. Because it's what Politico does best?

 



Can't miss an opportunity to drive the divide deeper can they.
Wish they'd grow up.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:13 AM

20. Cool.

Please feel free to share those rumors.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:20 AM

23. ok, here is a rumor I heard on facebook...

Greta Thornberg has agreed to a video appearance during the democratic convention to speak on trumps failures on the environment. She can't endorse a candidate, but she can encourage one.

Since I just posted this on the intertubes, it's 100% valid. You can contact her spokesperson for comment.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:31 AM

36. I hope Greta Thornberg DOES NOT appear.

I would prefer that we feature Americans who are Democrats. Greta Thornberg, as wonderful as she may be, is neither.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:41 AM

38. Greta knows far more than AOC on Climate so it's best not to invite this global traveller.

 

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Response to Budi (Reply #38)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

39. She might have some international cred that she can lend us.

OK. Sure. Why not?

-Laelth

You misunderstand me if you think that I am an AOC partisan. I’m not. I am a father of two, intelligent, accomplished daughters, both of whom work in the service industry, as did AOC. She speaks to them, and she speaks FOR them. They hear her, even if you don’t, and they are our future, for better or for worse.

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Response to Budi (Reply #38)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 04:14 PM

63. hey, trump invited bojo didn't he?

There have been ferners who have spoken at conventions before......

There isn't a prohibition to them speaking, just financially supporting (which ther gop is largely ignoring anyway) a candidate.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:15 AM

21. No WONDER young voters don't vote to keep the RW from persecuting

minorities, abusing our rights, stealing our national wealth, and kidnapping terrified children and hiding them in cages specifically to be cruel?

Every one of us from the time we're first eligible to vote until we no longer can has a duty to use our POWER to elect good people and to keep bad ones from getting our power.

If the speakers were all drooling in wheelchairs, the best and brightest of our younger generations would still all battle through clouds of Covid to vote and vote Democratic in this era. Because their duty has nothing to do with speakers.

NO excuse for those who refuse to stand.

“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something. Our children and their children will ask us, ‘What did you do? What did you say?’ For some, this vote may be hard. But we have a mission and a mandate to be on the right side of history.” John Lewis lives.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:27 AM

27. I actively WANT to understand you and respond.

I don’t understand what, exactly, you want me to rethink.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:43 AM

30. Another divisive article by Holly Otterbein

 

to promote ultra left of Bernie Sanders.

Remember - young people DO NOT VOTE. Bernie lost because the the so called "young people" failed to come and vote. Bernie lost badly to Biden.

The young and ultra left are around 15% of the party and they are not the "base." The base is African Americans and especially AA women, older age white, latino and asian liberals who have more experience and less incendiary idealism. They are also reliable voters.

Holly Otterbein should get her bearings straight instead of whining from the Bernie wing.

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Response to DenverJared (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:54 AM

32. Oh ffs! Not HA again!!

 

Someone needs to grow the fk up

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Response to Budi (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:18 AM

33. I wonder if HAHA Goodman was actually only a pen name

 

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Response to DenverJared (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:37 PM

56. When was the last time anyone saw anything from HA Goodman? It's been a while.

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Response to George II (Reply #56)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:49 PM

58. Yes ... HAHAHAHA Goodman disappeared

 

just before Holly Otterbein showed up on the scene.

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Response to DenverJared (Reply #58)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:52 PM

59. Very strange coincidence

 

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Response to DenverJared (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:09 PM

66. I remember that so-called member of the press

I used to go JPR to read his crappy articles

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:52 AM

31. I think this is Politico being Politico -- even worse than age, where are important POC, starting

with Clyburn? Consider one source was Ed Rendell. When was he last relevant? Interesting that he ignored many of the people who ran - including all the younger ones. Remember Biden praised Buttigieg and O'Rourke when they dropped out.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:12 PM

41. Stop. This pity-party is getting ridiculous.

It’s no wonder that young people don’t vote. If our convention lineup is any indication, it appears that we are not listening to young people. It appears that we are not interested in what they have to say.
Stop. This pity-party is getting ridiculous.

If the "young voter" feels under-valued, then it's because they have a very long history of "under-voting". If they want to be heard, then they need to raise their voices in the voting booth and stop the constant whining about petty things like the average age of the speakers.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #41)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:10 PM

52. it's another shitty article by Holly Otterbein

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:23 PM

42. Is Republican Kasich, fill in host for Bill O'Reilly still going to speak?

Hard to imagine him speaking while AOC does not.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:46 PM

45. +1 n/t

-Laelth

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:47 PM

46. No shit.

Nothing wrong with having a republican spell out why he's supporting Biden over a corrupt piece of shit. He might even give a few other never-trumpers something to think about and convince them it's OK to vote "D".

But the OP is a valid point. The Democratic primaries had a lot of younger people, give come of them a chance to rally their supporters behind the nominee.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:59 PM

48. I don't know...don't want to see a repeat of 16 when those who didn't get their guy behaved badly.

And they have been causing trouble lately as well.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:19 PM

54. I can't imagine

any of the others from the primary would "behave badly". They've all given their support to Biden.

Which former candidate do you think will "behave badly" and what exactly would they say in their speech?

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:40 PM

57. Not former candidates...just supporters of other candidates.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:00 PM

49. AOC is a first term House member...she will not speak...maybe Joe Kennedy or someone like

that.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:16 PM

53. Some of us want to win Ohio in the electoral. But im sure AOC will speak also

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 04:04 PM

62. I'd rather see Deb Haaland speaking, or Sharice Davids, or Lauren Underwood, or Ayanna Pressley....

....or Jahana Hayes, or Lucy McBath.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:27 PM

43. Sounds like a strong list of speakers.

Guess what, though - this convention isn't going to be as interesting as previous ones, and probably won't have a huge viewership. The outcome is already known, and there's no contest. Before it happens, Biden will name his VP nominee, so there isn't even that to watch.

How old are the speakers? Well, that's sort of irrelevant. They're all major names in Democratic politics, which is the point. Established names with long, long histories of service to the party.

You say, "It's no wonder that young people don't vote." I say, they damned sure better vote in 2020. Another four years of Trump would prove especially destructive to young people.

They should vote for the candidate who will do the things they need for a President to do.

Those are my thoughts.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:57 PM

47. Young people don't vote and never have...we need to reach voters who will actually go

to the polls.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #47)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:58 PM

61. If they feel "under appreciated" ... it's probably due to the fact that they "under-vote".

If they feel "under appreciated" ... it's probably due to the fact that they "under-vote". If that demographic truly wanted their voices to be heard (and recognized) then they would put forth a minimal effort and raise their voices in the voting booth. But, for many of them, they'd rather NOT vote and whine. Or attend rallies and pretend that's as good as voting.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:01 PM

50. Young People have never voted. There were many young candidates running in the primary

another shitty article by some fucking loser at politico.

These aren't the only speakers either.

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Response to Laelth (Original post)

Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:10 PM

51. Hopefully the Clintons aren't keynote speakers. Leave them out if this

Put Clyburn instead

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