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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:44 PM Aug 2020

How many DUers knew for sure that we were dealing with a pathological LIAR

when his foolish press secretary came out with that declaration of the biggest inaugural crowd PERIOD (as if everyone didn't know that was a total and complete lie).
It was a metaphor for those horrific years - 82 days to go.

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How many DUers knew for sure that we were dealing with a pathological LIAR (Original Post) malaise Aug 2020 OP
I worked in Manhattan in the 80s. phylny Aug 2020 #1
You knew he failed in every single business he has ever been in and worse, had stolen Eliot Rosewater Aug 2020 #4
Hahahahaha malaise Aug 2020 #10
You can't be a Con Man without Marks. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #44
That he did malaise Aug 2020 #46
He really did. Dorian Gray Aug 2020 #92
There's a book title... The Donald: the greatest con in history. ResistantAmerican17 Aug 2020 #60
I worked in another big financial center city and Ilsa Aug 2020 #88
I worked in Manhattan until 1980 musette_sf Aug 2020 #97
Yep, everyone in the NY metro area knew he was a complete jerk Jersey Devil Aug 2020 #113
Acually, knew it long before that! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #2
But did you think he would have been that brazen when everyone had seen the crowd malaise Aug 2020 #12
In hind sight... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #17
I blame the media for expecting him to ever be presidential malaise Aug 2020 #18
I second that! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #31
Shit yeah! I find myself screaming at the TV - "You're STILL giving him the benefit of the doubt???" calimary Aug 2020 #75
I grew up in a family company that did construction in NYC. I've known since 1983. Squinch Aug 2020 #3
But did you think he'd violate the Constitution and every norm and convention malaise Aug 2020 #21
Yes. I knew of a lot of people he ruined for kicks in those days. I knew he Squinch Aug 2020 #76
Me as well Meowmee Aug 2020 #102
I thought he would somehow create a world war. Instead we got Covid. Same Squinch Aug 2020 #103
Yep Meowmee Aug 2020 #125
I thought it would be bad but not this bad malaise Aug 2020 #118
That became obvious the day he said "Russia, if you're listening..." lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #117
My Spouse's Aunt Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #5
You can't just leave it there! csziggy Aug 2020 #94
I worked in commercial real estate in the 80s UpInArms Aug 2020 #6
Those of us who spent time in the New York area knew him as a fraud from way back unblock Aug 2020 #7
It was well known in NH too for some reason... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #19
This is true. mnhtnbb Aug 2020 #119
I had one in my own family...couldn't miss it BUT Raven Aug 2020 #8
I knew he was a fucking narcissist in the 80s I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #9
I didn't KNOW the level of awful they'd get into, I under estimated that by tenfold! Brainfodder Aug 2020 #11
When have we not known? BigDemVoter Aug 2020 #13
I did..... even before that. sinkingfeeling Aug 2020 #14
We should have sensed it when Fred's rubber broke. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2020 #15
I knew handmade34 Aug 2020 #16
Lol, only for 30+ years. Trump's a disordered joke, Hortensis Aug 2020 #20
That was it wryter2000 Aug 2020 #22
That was the moment for me malaise Aug 2020 #24
I knew before then. Growing up in NYC area does that. JHB Aug 2020 #23
I gather that New Yorkers or others connected to someone there had a heads up malaise Aug 2020 #25
A lot of people were quite comfortable being fooled, and others simply didn't care JHB Aug 2020 #42
Same here even though i left the state in '76 eleny Aug 2020 #26
I used to see Trump from time to time as a guest Solly Mack Aug 2020 #27
I watched one episode malaise Aug 2020 #28
That was a massive flag that we were about to be screwed...reminds me of this spanone Aug 2020 #29
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Aug 2020 #32
Decades earlier when I followed the USFL Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #30
There was a thread here yesterday complete with video of him boasting about the Tour de Trump malaise Aug 2020 #35
That bicycle race series ran through a lot of places in the country. Blue_true Aug 2020 #69
I found the crowd claim ... Whiskeytide Aug 2020 #33
Yes that was a serious warning of what they would try malaise Aug 2020 #34
Who does that little dork think he is? smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #61
Psych major. safeinOhio Aug 2020 #36
Me Too RobinA Aug 2020 #124
The birther fiasco convinced me. n/t sarge43 Aug 2020 #37
Well here we go again malaise Aug 2020 #41
Yup. Moron flew that crap flag at today's presser aka campaign speech. sarge43 Aug 2020 #49
If you had done a poll with the OP... Soph0571 Aug 2020 #38
Yes Hekate Aug 2020 #39
He's always been a clown shanti Aug 2020 #40
Here! lpbk2713 Aug 2020 #43
Heck, I knew that in the campaign, especially when he started going on about LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #45
I remember that malaise Aug 2020 #47
yes, especially because he was officially president LymphocyteLover Aug 2020 #114
I could tell Trump was a pile Mr.Bill Aug 2020 #48
I suspected that he was a pathological liar before November 2016. Sloumeau Aug 2020 #50
I'm from South Jersey Cozmo Aug 2020 #51
S.V. Date sure knew IcyPeas Aug 2020 #52
I hope the look on his face is in one of the new ads malaise Aug 2020 #62
Always CloudWatcher Aug 2020 #53
Great post malaise Aug 2020 #55
Madman.. mountain grammy Aug 2020 #54
Born and raised in Manhattan..... secondwind Aug 2020 #56
I knew he was a liar before he ran.nt Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #57
I was sitting here watching the news that night 634-5789 Aug 2020 #58
Far earlier than that, even before he ran for President. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #59
I knew well before that moment. Just the sheer number of business people, towns, cities that he Blue_true Aug 2020 #63
Any one with a brain Traildogbob Aug 2020 #64
i did. barbtries Aug 2020 #65
Same here malaise Aug 2020 #73
I've maintained that since the night of the 2016 election also. llmart Aug 2020 #77
I hope I'm alive when that truth is unearthed malaise Aug 2020 #79
Me too. llmart Aug 2020 #84
I've been saying I hope I'm alive phylny Aug 2020 #120
Ha malaise Aug 2020 #121
Ever since I lived in NYC. smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #66
I live among people who think he's brilliant and the media reports of him lying are liberal garbage Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #67
What I don't get is how they ignore all the stories of robbing contractors malaise Aug 2020 #72
Malaise they don't believe the stories 1) because they never hear them, or Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #78
That is truly sad malaise Aug 2020 #81
They've been lied to for decades. Their world isn't real, it's what they've been told. Mr. Ected Aug 2020 #90
I've known it for decades relayerbob Aug 2020 #68
The orange menace has been lying all his life paleotn Aug 2020 #70
I did not know the extent of this menace. Not initially. warmfeet Aug 2020 #71
How could anyone believe otherwise? (nt) Paladin Aug 2020 #74
knew from the get go. Even before the get go mnmoderatedem Aug 2020 #80
And never knew how far the GOP would go to enable this asshole. malaise Aug 2020 #85
Yup, we immediately entered crazy land. Joinfortmill Aug 2020 #82
Long before then. Long, long before. nt reACTIONary Aug 2020 #83
A known failure, narcissist, largest rental discrimination plea in NY. Yeah we knew then what he is. Evolve Dammit Aug 2020 #86
I knew we were dealing with a pathological liar way before that. I remembered him pretending catbyte Aug 2020 #87
The New York press (particularly Vanity Fair) was on to his BS for decades. LuckyLib Aug 2020 #89
... catbyte Aug 2020 #91
THIS malaise Aug 2020 #93
Before the 2016 General election, my son and I had several discussions about Donald. dmr Aug 2020 #95
Yes it has been heartbreaking and the sabotage of the USPS malaise Aug 2020 #96
As a born & bred NYC'r... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #98
I had an idea he was bad, but nothing could have prepared me for this malaise Aug 2020 #99
When trump & his insipid wife Cha Aug 2020 #100
A mystery to me: he was a scandal-magnet for many decades in the press and betsuni Aug 2020 #101
Yes and no Nasruddin Aug 2020 #122
Fran Lebowitz is the best. betsuni Aug 2020 #123
Oh, there have always been some... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #128
How anyone didn't see him as a pathological liar back in the 80s is bewildering... tenderfoot Aug 2020 #104
I think the media was and is a major part of the problem malaise Aug 2020 #105
As far as I'm concerned the media built him tenderfoot Aug 2020 #109
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Aug 2020 #106
I knew before he was elected went to High School and lived quite a few years in Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #107
Wow malaise Aug 2020 #112
Oh, so sorry to hear about... electric_blue68 Aug 2020 #129
To only see Trump, though, is to MISS THE PICTURE. Hortensis Aug 2020 #108
Excellent post malaise Aug 2020 #110
Yes. Massive use of lies, denigration, etc. are major fascistic Hortensis Aug 2020 #111
I expected that lie about the crowd to blow up in their faces so badly, they wouldn't try it again. gulliver Aug 2020 #115
THIS malaise Aug 2020 #116
Trust me. That's just the symptom. The pathology goes far deeper. nolabear Aug 2020 #126
Yep malaise Aug 2020 #127

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
4. You knew he failed in every single business he has ever been in and worse, had stolen
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:48 PM
Aug 2020

from everyone he ever came in contact with.

You knew he never, ever, not once ever, tells the truth unless the truth works for him, and it NEVER does.

And on and on.

Here is the insane part, after everything everyone else has now seen, almost half of them still think he is a truth telling hero.

god help us

malaise

(269,157 posts)
10. Hahahahaha
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:56 PM
Aug 2020

he may have pulled off the greatest Con in history. I still can't fathom how this happened.

maxsolomon

(33,397 posts)
44. You can't be a Con Man without Marks.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:17 PM
Aug 2020

And the Right Wing Noise Machine groomed them for decades.

Then Trump stole the whole party out from under them.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
88. I worked in another big financial center city and
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:48 PM
Aug 2020

Listened to the business news every morning. Even I knew his business acumen was overstated after hearing he bankrupted a freaking casino, even though his daddy had a bagman coming in once a week to buy chips.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
97. I worked in Manhattan until 1980
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:40 PM
Aug 2020

and then vicariously followed Rump's awfulness via SPY Magazine.

We ALL knew.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
113. Yep, everyone in the NY metro area knew he was a complete jerk
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:33 AM
Aug 2020

but for some reason his antics were not known nationally.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
12. But did you think he would have been that brazen when everyone had seen the crowd
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:58 PM
Aug 2020

versus other crowds?

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
17. In hind sight...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:02 PM
Aug 2020

It was the beginning of my being sure he'd try to pull off anything, have to admit that.

calimary

(81,450 posts)
75. Shit yeah! I find myself screaming at the TV - "You're STILL giving him the benefit of the doubt???"
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:31 PM
Aug 2020

SHEESH!

They're acting like they were literally born yesterday. Still starting from reset - after ALL these years and ALL this exposure and ALL this very-well-documented PROOF! From WAY before the campaign started! Those of us who covered him as basically a New York curio or loud flashy buffoon were onto him back in the 1980s. And because he was a big name, and kinda controversial, and knew how to manipulate and USE the media, we covered his divorce from Ivanka, AND his carrying on with/eventual marriage to Marla, AND his dallying with every cutie who bumped into him at Studio 54 or just about anywhere else. He was a big attention whore back then, too. And a big phony back then, too. And people fell for it. Mainly because they wanted to - and it was somehow regarded as entertaining.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
21. But did you think he'd violate the Constitution and every norm and convention
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:06 PM
Aug 2020

I knew what to expect from DUers but even that didn't prepare me for this.

Squinch

(50,997 posts)
76. Yes. I knew of a lot of people he ruined for kicks in those days. I knew he
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:34 PM
Aug 2020

would just destroy everything.

On election night, I kept thinking I was going to throw up because I knew what was coming.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
102. Me as well
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:30 AM
Aug 2020

I knew a long time ago and I knew it would be this bad... I was physically ill election night because I knew how bad it would be... I already felt ill before that worrying it would happen. And it has been one long nightmare being held hostage by this lunatic... and his nutcase supporters... we didn’t know covid was coming eventually.

Squinch

(50,997 posts)
103. I thought he would somehow create a world war. Instead we got Covid. Same
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:06 AM
Aug 2020

difference in terms of misery and lives lost.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
125. Yep
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:02 PM
Aug 2020

I was worried about that too and destruction of the gov etc. It had already started with what Comey did and long before that in other ways.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
117. That became obvious the day he said "Russia, if you're listening..."
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:43 AM
Aug 2020

He declared himself to be an official enemy of America that day. I knew that if he got in, we'd be in the deepest trouble this Republic has ever faced.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. My Spouse's Aunt
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:49 PM
Aug 2020

was a Nursing Teacher at John Hopkins and she had some juicy crap about the Old man and his Spawn. And that was many a year ago.

unblock

(52,316 posts)
7. Those of us who spent time in the New York area knew him as a fraud from way back
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:50 PM
Aug 2020

So obvious, slapping a thin veneer of shiny gold colored something and then boasting as if it was the best building ever. He was always exaggerating, always boasting, always taking credit, always blaming others, always insisting he was the greatest ever and always racist as hell.

He talks slower these days but he was always a fount of crap

Raven

(13,899 posts)
8. I had one in my own family...couldn't miss it BUT
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:55 PM
Aug 2020

I had people in my family who gave my relative chances upon chances upon chances until he almost destroyed them.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
9. I knew he was a fucking narcissist in the 80s
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:56 PM
Aug 2020

The way he acted and carried himself and his words were enough to convince me back then.

I was repulsed by him.
Thought he was gross back than but than again I hated raygun in the 80s too.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
11. I didn't KNOW the level of awful they'd get into, I under estimated that by tenfold!
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:58 PM
Aug 2020

It's very hard to fold something 10 times!


[I wish I had popcorn]

BigDemVoter

(4,156 posts)
13. When have we not known?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:00 PM
Aug 2020

He's been a liar and bullshitter always, but I never paid him any mind, as he was always so fucking tiresome, trying to get his ugly mug on the news.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Lol, only for 30+ years. Trump's a disordered joke,
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:05 PM
Aug 2020

but people who educated themselves even slightly are not its butts.

wryter2000

(46,078 posts)
22. That was it
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:07 PM
Aug 2020

And when Trump repeated it over and over. Only a pathological liar would insist on anything so obviously, visibly untrue.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
24. That was the moment for me
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:09 PM
Aug 2020

It's the same way we have this groundhog day - the daily shitshow where he repeats the identical lies day after day.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
25. I gather that New Yorkers or others connected to someone there had a heads up
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:10 PM
Aug 2020

but he sure fooled a lot of people

JHB

(37,161 posts)
42. A lot of people were quite comfortable being fooled, and others simply didn't care
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:14 PM
Aug 2020

The first bunch had 40 years of training to hate anybody who didn't cheerlead the conservative agenda, and the others didn't need training. They were giddy freelance trainers, long before the Russians added themselves to the mix.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
26. Same here even though i left the state in '76
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:11 PM
Aug 2020

His father, Fred, grew up in my neighborhood in Queens and the whole family had a bad reputation forever.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
27. I used to see Trump from time to time as a guest
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:11 PM
Aug 2020

appearance or some such and in those few minutes, if that, I was always glad he was NY's problem. Sorry, but true.

I had hopes he would be contained.

I turned the channel if it was an interview or some such. I'd groan if he was mentioned in a movie or a show.

Seemed like he was everywhere for a while there. The hype was mind boggling.

Never could tolerate him.

He has always been FOS. Always been a fool.

Never watched his show.

Now? I still wobble at the stupidity of his fans.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
30. Decades earlier when I followed the USFL
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:16 PM
Aug 2020

He lied every week during the halftime interview of the Generals' game. Then he ruined the league by attempting to shift from spring to fall, misleading and lying to other USFL owners all the way.

$3 brain and less integrity

malaise

(269,157 posts)
35. There was a thread here yesterday complete with video of him boasting about the Tour de Trump
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:25 PM
Aug 2020

He really thought it would compete with the Tour de France. I had never seen it before. My jaw dropped.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
69. That bicycle race series ran through a lot of places in the country.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:11 PM
Aug 2020

It also used a lot of services (lodging, food, drinks, etc). I wonder to this day how many cities and towns and agencies and small companies that got involved with him and that race got screwed when it was time to get paid. My guess is most, or all of them. Then he pawned it off on another owner and it lasted like a year.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
33. I found the crowd claim ...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:18 PM
Aug 2020

... amusing then. But it certainly was a harbinger of what was to come.

But frankly, Stephen Miller’s rant on Face the Nation told me more about where these people were really headed. I noticed that they didn’t let him out in public a lot after that.

[Warning - the clip below contains images of Stephen Miller]

https://m.



malaise

(269,157 posts)
34. Yes that was a serious warning of what they would try
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:20 PM
Aug 2020

will not be questioned - although that didn't work so well

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
61. Who does that little dork think he is?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:58 PM
Aug 2020

He is so going to get his comeuppence one of these days and it will be glorious. I so can't wait to see this little nazi smacked down hard!

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
124. Me Too
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:42 AM
Aug 2020

I'm from SE Pa and knew of Trump. No real details, just that he was crass and a con man from what I read. During the primary campaign it became obvious that he had a narcissistic personality. First rule of personality disorders - personality is stable. Not the person is stable, the personality is stable. Meaning all this, "he'll straighten up if he's nominated," "he'll straighten up when he wins," "he'll straighten up when he takes office," etc., etc, was never going to happen. NEVER. I think I realized how bad he was when he mocked the disabled reporter from a stage in front of a camera. No one does that sort of thing. No one. Maybe in front of their friends after a couple of beers, but not like he did. That's when I realized that social norms had no effect on him, if he even knew what the social norms are, which he seems not to. A person unaffected by social norms? Very big trouble.

sarge43

(28,944 posts)
49. Yup. Moron flew that crap flag at today's presser aka campaign speech.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:25 PM
Aug 2020

As if Biden and Harris aren't ready for it. Moron's so predictable.

Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
38. If you had done a poll with the OP...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:08 PM
Aug 2020

No-one would decide not to pick and it would be a far higher % than the Belarus Dictation got this week in the GE. But in this case they would be honest votes honestly counted. LOL.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
40. He's always been a clown
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:13 PM
Aug 2020

not to be taken seriously, since the 80's. It's mind-boggling that so many were hoodwinked.

LymphocyteLover

(5,654 posts)
45. Heck, I knew that in the campaign, especially when he started going on about
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:18 PM
Aug 2020

Muslims on rooftops on 9/11 with no evidence and despite reports saying otherwise. Indeed, this lie led to him mocking the disabled reporter.

Mr.Bill

(24,318 posts)
48. I could tell Trump was a pile
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:23 PM
Aug 2020

of bullshit the first time I saw him on a talk show. Probably around the early to mid 70s.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
50. I suspected that he was a pathological liar before November 2016.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:25 PM
Aug 2020

I read about his life, and he lied about everything. He has spent his life lying, cheating people out of money, and stealing people's money through fraud. He is in the Bernie Madoff category of liars and cheats.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
62. I hope the look on his face is in one of the new ads
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:00 PM
Aug 2020

I'm only surprised that he didn't walk out

CloudWatcher

(1,851 posts)
53. Always
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:28 PM
Aug 2020

What I never understood is why the press kept asking his opinion as if he was someone who's opinion should matter. He was always just a transparent con. When he got the GOP nomination I considered it a damning indictment of our education system. I'm still really depressed that he has so many supporters that believe his BS.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
59. Far earlier than that, even before he ran for President.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:57 PM
Aug 2020

The "birther" nonsense was clearly dishonest, for starters.

I also read about him from prior biographers, people who were exposed to him for months, which revealed other aspects of his sick mind. The extreme narcissism, sociopathy, mental laziness and lack of reading, extreme vindictiveness toward minor slights at him, doubling-down on his mistakes no matter who ridiculous, etc. All of which has since been on full display and confirmed repeatedly.

About the only "positive" that I read was a biographer who said, "That's really him", in regard to prior speculations that Trump was pretending to behave certain ways as some kind of genius playing "3-D chess". So he was at least being genuine... a genuine monster!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. I knew well before that moment. Just the sheer number of business people, towns, cities that he
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:00 PM
Aug 2020

had screwed said “LIAR” in flaming letters.

Traildogbob

(8,795 posts)
64. Any one with a brain
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:01 PM
Aug 2020

He was an obvious scamming shit bag from the beginning. From all the previous threats to run, we all shoulda knew he is a bag of shit. He SCAMMED the most ignorant, with Fox and Rusty Limpballs and a flood of propaganda. He DID NOT scam that media or the GOP elected(???), Criminals. They all Knew he was a front man for their evil take over. GOP have been planning this for many years. Bush was a warning, that a fool up front gives cover for the evil GOP to destroy democracy, and the planet for wealth. All under the cloak of Jesus. This has been in the works at least since RayGun. They will NOT go quietly in the night, (A tactic they use well to fuck us all), and we must fight their bullshit with equal ferocity and tactics. They will stay back and send their brain dead’s to fight till death to keep their wealth. This is a dire point in our history, a point I believe at minimum equal to the civil war. THEY are willing to spill other’s blood, as they have for most of our wars for their profit. Buckle up, maybe even load up. The tea Lea is are in bold print. Not instigating violence, just prepare to protect yourself and family. Putin wins, or we fight. This soldier will take a stand, for my daughter at minimum.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
65. i did.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:01 PM
Aug 2020

i knew he was dangerous the day i saw him going down the escalator. no, that's not true, i still thought he was a joke then. i knew he wasn't well at that point. had no idea he'd become the nominee let alone the president.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
77. I've maintained that since the night of the 2016 election also.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:34 PM
Aug 2020

We've already learned plenty about how he had Russia interfere, but there were other shenanigans that we absolutely will eventually find out the truth of in the coming years.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
84. Me too.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:39 PM
Aug 2020

I hope some of his people turn on him after he loses. More than that though, I hope the State of New York keeps him busy with trials for the rest of his remaining demented years.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
66. Ever since I lived in NYC.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:01 PM
Aug 2020

So since at least 2000, but I would say even before that I was aware of him and knew he was a lying, cheating POS. How could any reasonable person not see him for who he was?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
67. I live among people who think he's brilliant and the media reports of him lying are liberal garbage
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:03 PM
Aug 2020

It's truly breathtaking how complete the brainwashing has been on these FOX automatons.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
72. What I don't get is how they ignore all the stories of robbing contractors
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:20 PM
Aug 2020

employees and all the fake businesses. I mean when you have to refund students for fraud and have your charity shut down for fraud, how on earth do people still believe you?

Look how many cities are still waiting to be paid for his rally costs. They must be lining up to sue him in January

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
78. Malaise they don't believe the stories 1) because they never hear them, or
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:35 PM
Aug 2020

2) they pawn it off on a liberal media desperate to smear their Chosen One.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
90. They've been lied to for decades. Their world isn't real, it's what they've been told.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:49 PM
Aug 2020

They've been told to ignore any information that doesn't come from them. I'm looking at you, Rush Limbaugh. I'm looking at you FOX News.

And then, having brainwashed them and cut them off from genuine news, they continue to lie their asses off to perpetuate this propaganda.

So when information seeps out that exposes the right wing lies, the typical Republican can't cope with a disruption in their bubble. Really, one tiny little prick of the bubble and all of it explodes to high heavens. Their world is over.

That's why they don't listen. If they listen, their entire creed gets flushed down with the dirty stuff. The disillusionment alone makes lying to oneself a better alternative for them. And the cycle continues.

mnmoderatedem

(3,728 posts)
80. knew from the get go. Even before the get go
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:37 PM
Aug 2020

but honestly, I NEVER envisioned things being THIS bad.

And never knew how far the GOP would go to enable this asshole.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
85. And never knew how far the GOP would go to enable this asshole.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:44 PM
Aug 2020

THIS

That said they've been dropping hints like the country is a republic and not a democracy and their complete and total disrespect for the Democratic Party which they call Democrat Party Both were clear signs that they're OK with being a one party country.

They believe in democracy the same way their fundie churches believe in Christianity.

catbyte

(34,442 posts)
87. I knew we were dealing with a pathological liar way before that. I remembered him pretending
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:48 PM
Aug 2020

to be his publicist "John Miller" way back in the early 1990s. I don't know why it stuck out so much to me at the time. I was in Michigan and he was a lame "businessman" in New York City but I remember thinking how pathetic he was.

I had no idea just how pathetic that thing really was.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
89. The New York press (particularly Vanity Fair) was on to his BS for decades.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:48 PM
Aug 2020

Flim-flamming, corruption, lying, scheming, and claiming to play with the big boys. Money from big laundering projects and of course Russia. Who could have thought this would work? Only Russian oligarchs and the Rethuglican party.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
95. Before the 2016 General election, my son and I had several discussions about Donald.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:03 PM
Aug 2020

we were worried that by a fluke he might win, though we were certain that Hillary Clinton would be our next president. I'd worried about the possibility of him winning. My son made me feel better by reminding me about the checks and balances, that Congress would keep him in line..

Once it was determined Donald would be the next POTUS, my son's words kept a heartbroken me from going over the edge.

But we now know differently.

So the question about knowing Donald was a pathological liar. Is yes, I did know.

But if you ask if I'd known that more than 99% of the Republicans would betray their oath of office -- that's a huge NO!

I could never imagine the scenarios that have played out over the last 4 years.

malaise, it has been absolutely heartbreaking. And now, watching how he, and they plan to cheat by destroying the USPS at such record speed has me frightened to my core.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
96. Yes it has been heartbreaking and the sabotage of the USPS
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:07 PM
Aug 2020

is painful - he will be stopped.

Bernie Sanders is destroying him on Anderson Cooper right now

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
98. As a born & bred NYC'r...
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 10:56 PM
Aug 2020

... I had many more things of Interest to me, and extra worries to pay that much attention to him.

I did know he was scummy, heard a bit about his rascism, and casinos going bust, saw ? parts of 2 eps of his Apprentice show. Then when he started that Obama "birther" BS, I thought here's a new level of crazy rascism, and anti-Democratic Party tactics (having already lived through Newt Gingrich's modalities).

Then hearing/seeing his lies about his Inauguration attendance numbers vs Obama's numbers (and I had been both '09 & '13 so was an eyewitness), I guess on some level I was like "uh, oh" now what. Then the evidence kept mounting fairly quickly especially his fondness for "Strongmen" governments.

betsuni

(25,610 posts)
101. A mystery to me: he was a scandal-magnet for many decades in the press and
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:21 AM
Aug 2020

a lot of people chose to completely forget this and believe obviously easily debunked fake scandals about Hillary Clinton and other Democrats. They said about Hillary, "Oh, she's got baggage."

As I've said many times before, a child or pet could look at Trump in 2016 and know he was out of his mind.

Idiots.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
122. Yes and no
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:22 AM
Aug 2020

From outside, non NYC resident:
I think the lying could be guessed from his obvious malignant narcissism.
That it would be chronic, reflexive, and hemorrhagic - wow, surprise.

I didn't know that he was so stupid. I didn't get the Fran Lebowitz quote until recently
(https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/mar/20/fran-lebowitz-you-do-not-know-anyone-as-stupid-as-donald-trump)
But probably well known to NYCers.

I didn't know he was totally incompetent (this is different than stupid). He had a long history of problems but always seemed to come back. I didn't understand the role of enablers, especially for the very wealthy, until recently. Stuff I should've guessed or known, probably, but didn't.

I didn't expect him to be such a racist. He's from the north! But people who knew well his and his family's history in real estate probably could work that out.

betsuni

(25,610 posts)
123. Fran Lebowitz is the best.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:34 AM
Aug 2020

I'm from Washington State and have lived abroad for decades, but The Donald has been in the press for decades as an idiot conman. No need to be from New York! His bankruptcies and love life were extensively covered by tabloids and other press, even remember Melania's picture in Harper's Bazaar as Trump's "on-and-off-again girlfriend" (everyone knew what that meant). People give male celebrities the benefit of the doubt.

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
128. Oh, there have always been some...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:52 AM
Aug 2020

... serious racists up North.

New Jersey was said to be a hotbed of racists.
I remember maybe 20 - 25 years ago using a payphone
in Greenwich Village ( "The Village" ), and stuck on the inside of the metal encasement that the phone was attached to was a little sticker - "NAAWP".
Which stood for "National Association for the Advancement of White People". A racist organization that I'm not sure is still around as it was back then.

So, yeah, a fair amount of racists up north, too.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
105. I think the media was and is a major part of the problem
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:31 AM
Aug 2020

They should have seen through all the fake shit

tenderfoot

(8,438 posts)
109. As far as I'm concerned the media built him
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:48 AM
Aug 2020

He was to be the poster boy for Reaganism and that's how they presented him and proceeded to smooch his backside no matter how many of business his failures.

They own this, especially NBC.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)
107. I knew before he was elected went to High School and lived quite a few years in
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:40 AM
Aug 2020

Fairfield County near New York. Trump is scum and always was. He bankrupted some of my Dad's friends, stiffed working guys sending one of my high school friend's Dad into bankruptcy in my home town. And later in the early 90's Trump stiffed my brother in a business deal. He has always been a liar and a grifter. He also was in bed with the mob.

Trump had filthy mouth too and once made obscene comments as my girlfriends and I went to have lunch in the plaza after seeing a Broadway play. I have seen construction workers with more class and better manners (and walking by construction workers was always like running a gauntlet in New York and other places). Trump was always a racist scumbag and those in the New York area knew this...the banks there stopped lending to him years ago. No one would do business with him.

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
129. Oh, so sorry to hear about...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 01:29 AM
Aug 2020

... your dad's friends, and your brother being on the other end of his greedy pathology!

.
May he yet get to wear that Orange Jumpsuit sometime in 2021, 2022 after all appeals have been exhausted!!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
108. To only see Trump, though, is to MISS THE PICTURE.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:47 AM
Aug 2020

Back in the 1990s the Republican/RW leadership realized they would have to integrate and embrace women's rights or dwindle into an angry, obsolete white man's party. They chose a third way: to destroy the people's ability to control them through elections.

All the signs of their subversions of democracy were there in the 1990s and have accelerated alarmingly in this century. W was an authoritarian president whose administration both systematically and opportunistically smashed laws and institutions and transferred wealth and power to the ruling business/wealth classes the Republicans had been building ever since 1980.

Obama's elections were a huge setback to them, but their subsequent doubling down on what W was doing and their ferociously ruthless smashing of the will of the people should have awakened everyone to their intentions then.

Trump's election and takeover is an aberration they didn't plan, but by harnessing and directing much of his power have made extreme advances under anyway. And with the orange clown revealed as the Scary Clown, more are finally waking up. Just to him, though, is a terrible mistake.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
110. Excellent post
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:02 AM
Aug 2020

I would add that the way in which ReTHUGs and media hacks set about using Democrat Party rather than Democratic Party was an attempt at destroying the legitimate opposition party and therefore the democratic process. Note how Pence and Fucker Carson deliberately mispronounce Kamala's first name.
These fuckers want power by any means and don't give a shit about democracy.
Take a good look at the way US governments have destroyed democracies overseas for the interests of corporations and wealthy interests. Sadly both parties have been involved in these imperialistic adventures.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
111. Yes. Massive use of lies, denigration, etc. are major fascistic
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:22 AM
Aug 2020

tactics for both taking over and keeping power. I'm fine being called "Democrat" for itself, I'm proud of it. And it makes them sound stupid. But of course you're right in that taunting the enemy is what aggressors do to get themselves worked up to attack.

Which always makes me think of what they'd be capable of if we couldn't stop them. At this point most of the the Scary Clown's Mean People would support genocide tomorrow (QAnon's becoming a quasi-religious crusade explicitly calling for murder of Democrats) if their leader had the power to order it. He doesn't. But on the 10 stages of genocide, with Trump inflaming what the hard right has morphed into over the prior 30 years, no matter how experts argue it, they are appallingly far along.

gulliver

(13,192 posts)
115. I expected that lie about the crowd to blow up in their faces so badly, they wouldn't try it again.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:38 AM
Aug 2020

As the lies kept pouring in, I saw Republicans in office basically saying, "Yeah, so? What are you gonna do about it, lefty?" That's when it dawned on me that muggers mug. Calling a mugger a liar is actually a compliment. The Republican Party is not just an enabler party, passively doing nothing. It's an accessory to a political mugging of the United States. That and a liar.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
116. THIS
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:40 AM
Aug 2020

The Republican Party is not just an enabler party, passively doing nothing. It's an accessory to a political mugging of the United States. That and a liar.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
126. Trust me. That's just the symptom. The pathology goes far deeper.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:11 PM
Aug 2020

I spent election night in a houseful of fellow shrinks. The despair we felt over him getting within a mile of the WH was overwhelming. It’s only gotten worse.

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