Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Republican John Kasich trade barbs before they both speak at the Democr

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Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez sparred with Ohio's former Republican governor, John Kasich, before both are slated to speak at the Democratic National Convention.

Kasich told Buzzfeed News that Ocasio-Cortez doesn't represent the Democratic party and that her voice is exaggerated by the media.

Ocasio-Cortez hit back at Kasich in a set of tweets on Monday, arguing that while she hopes Kasich convinces other Republicans to vote for Biden, he's "an anti-choice extremist" and "is not a friend to workers."

Shortly before both are slated to speak at the Democratic National Convention, Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called John Kasich "an anti-choice extremist" in response to an interview in which the former Republican governor from Ohio criticized the congresswoman.

https://news.yahoo.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-republican-john-195839625.html

[murielm99]

1. They are both right.

We could find better speakers than the two of them.

[CrispyQ]

2. LOL

[empedocles]

19. The idea behind the invites, was for a 'net gain of votes in November'.

[LizBeth]

12. AOC is a member and representative of the Democratic Party and has a voice in it. She will

get 60 seconds. Not much but can be a powerful and even fun message in that 60 seconds. I hope she uses it well as a member of the democratic party that is celebrating our nominee for President of the U.S.

Kaisch is there in redemption.

Two different animals.

[former9thward]

22. Kaisch is there because he is running in 2024,

And this helps keep him in the limelight as well as maybe get some support among Dems for his candidacy two years from now when he begins actively running. He is not there for redemption. He is there for himself.

[LizBeth]

36. I am sure. So he has to be reminded of his place and I think AOC is a good one to remind him.

[still_one]

45. Kaisch is there because we hope it will help us with Ohio. If he has other ambitions that isn't

because of the Democrats

I don’t care whether Kaich and Ocasio-Cortez spar, the only thing I care about is what will help us win in November

[Polybius]

89. This insanely hurts him in 2024

He'll get clobbered in the next Republican primary.

[former9thward]

96. Maybe.

He is hoping Trump loses like Goldwater did in 1964 and then a moderate like Nixon comes in and wins the nomination like Nixon did in 1968.

[Polybius]

97. Even if that happens, Biden will probably get at least 1 to 3 SC Justice picks

The entire Party will never forgive him for that. Even if they nominate a moderate, they could never forgive him for going to ouur convention. It would be like us forgiving Joe Liberman for speaking at their convention.

[George II]

74. You think only members of the Democratic Party should speak?

[LizBeth]

80. I KNOW a Republican does NOT have a voice of our Democratic Party. Fuck them. I am all

for Republicans standing up and saying Trump is all wrong in every way and they feel the shame letting him do what he has done to our country and the constitution and breaking our laws.

[The_Counsel]

13. I Was Kinda Thinking the Same Thing:

They’re both right...

...and they both need to STFU. At least for now.

[Maven]

16. No, they aren't and fuck Kasich for taking a swipe at one of our members as a guest in our house

while his party is waging war on democracy, decency and truth

[Backseat Driver]

38. Absolutely agree!

Give someone the stretch sign and let Kasich sit it out!

[Kid Berwyn]

63. Thank you.

AOC is the real deal.

[Celerity]

65. +1000

[SharonClark]

87. K&R

[Doremus]

21. How dare Kasich tell AOC whether she's a good Democrat or not.

He's going to tell our AOC if she represents the party or not? Fuck him and the rest of his billionaire buddies.

You might want to remember which of the 2 is the Democrat btw.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

31. One is a liberal and one is most decidedly not.

So he can go fuck right off. One would think that DU would support the Dem over the not-Dem.

[still_one]

48. You know why Kaisch is there, and it is for one reason only, in hopes to convince republicans and

independents in Ohio to vote for Biden/Harris

If we took Ohio, the election is over

We are putting as many irons into the fire as possible. This election is too important

[Iliyah]

3. Oh my . . .

Laughable, also a Democracy moment.

[Sympthsical]

26. Wait. He attacks her, and she's to blame for simply responding?

So we're just going with the Republican over the Democrat in this one.

Lovely.

There's my reservations about Kasich justified right there.

[Celerity]

68. +1000

it is shameful, and (and I try to hardly ever get involved in this) seems to clearly be against TOS. Not only is is attacking (passive aggressively and/or indirectly or not) but is is using a fucking RW Rethug forced birther union buster as the virtual cudgel.

That fucker Kasich kicked it all off to boot. I think he is a goddamn Trojan horse (at least on the congressional side in terms of the vote).

[Mariana]

81. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez should remember her place.

Of course the whole flap is her fault. Women are expected by some people to just shut up and smile, when men denigrate them. Especially young women.

[Doremus]

29. Then maybe the DNC VIPs should have prepared a convention for DEMOCRATS

Instead of trying to woo people who would rather stick a hot poker in their eyes than vote Democratic.

They want unity? Try uniting the DEMOCRATIC PARTY first.

[octoberlib]

34. I totally agree. While they're at it ,Bernie Sanders , who is not a Democrat

shouldn't have been invited to speak either.

[NurseJackie]

61. ...

[Cuthbert Allgood]

32. How about we support the Dem over the Republican asshole?

Weird concept on Democratic Underground, but...

[Voltaire2]

49. So the Democratic Woman Representative should STFU when publicly attacked by a Republican?

Seriously? That is your position on this?

[demmiblue]

5. Go fuck yourself, Kasich. AOC: We can build bridges & not lose sight of our values.

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

23. "We can build bridges & not lose sight of our values." Erm...and then rises to the bait, to kick out

[demmiblue]

66. Shoo, you don't live here.

[OnDoutside]

76. Shoo yourself, I contribute to this site and have as much interest

in seeing the Democratic Party sweep the November elections as anyone else here. My brother and his family live in Florida, plus what happens in the US affects the world. That was a particularly cheap and shit remark from you.

[demmiblue]

77. Nah, it really wasn't.

But go ahead and get your anger on over AOC putting Kasich in his place.

[OnDoutside]

100. Yah, it was really.

All you were lacking was to tell me to go back to where I came from.

[Caliman73]

75. Rises to the bait, to kick out...?

She responded, reminding people of Kaisich's positions. Kaisich only sounds "reasonable" because he is being compared to Trump, whose idiocy is threatening to take down the Republican Party as well as the nation.

Kaisich talks about "moderates" but he is not a moderate. He signed into law a bill that bans abortion after 20 weeks. He is anti-Union, signing a bill that prohibits public Union employees from striking. He is a Drug Warrior, wanting to "stomp all drugs out of this country". He presided over 15 death penalty executions. He is opposed to the Federal Government doing anything on Climate Change. He supports private prisons. He supports charter schools and vouchers instead of fixing public schools.

He is not say a Trump extremist or a Louie Gohmert, but he is a modern Republican, which is extreme enough to not defend him after he attacks a Democratic Party Representative.

[Mariana]

83. But women aren't supposed to do that, especially young women.

She's supposed to just remain silent while this man, whose history shows us has no respect for women, runs his mouth about her.

[JudyM]

99. This. 👆

[theaocp]

6. Kasich can be as useful a tool as he can be

and then locked back in the closet so he can’t poison our movement. Oh, who am I kidding? He’ll be listened and catered to.

[Sanity Claws]

7. How does a fucking Republican get to determine who represents the Democratic Party?

I think his tweet should cause him to be disinvited.

[demmiblue]

9. Some "dems" are gobbling it up.

[Maven]

18. It's amazing

What AOC is doing is showing integrity.

An example that certain dems would do well to follow.

No one asked Kasich to take up a speaking slot at our convention and then take a swipe at one of our most prominent members. And to hell with his "extremists on both sides" bullshit. AOC is right. He's an extremist!

[demmiblue]

69. What I find most strange is the fact that many of the AOC haters don't...

even live in this country. So weird.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. The Michelle Caruso-Cabrera (AOC's primate opponent) wing of the party.

[Faux pas]

8. WTFF???

Why is he going to be there anyway?

[LizBeth]

10. These Republicans have to know their place. The created this, each one. Regardless of Kasich

speaking out, it should start with an apology to us all.

[brooklynite]

11. Yes: Kasich is anti-choice; and he's endorsing a candidate who's pro-choice.

More to the point, he's not demanding policy concessions in exchange for his support, as some have.

[Sympthsical]

33. He's endorsing his own 2024 run

That's all he's interested in here. And given Biden is likely one term, why we're giving him any oxygen is beyond me. Most Republicans aren't very familiar with him, and those who are don't care what he thinks.

But hey, let's play politics like it's twenty years ago. Never did us wrong before.

[still_one]

52. who cares what his plans are, we are using him to try and capture Ohio, not his political ambitions

we aren’t playing like it is 20 years ago

We are trying to win

You make some accusations that Biden is a one term president. How do you know that?

Regardless,when Biden’s termis up, whenever that is, Kamala Haarris most likely will be our nominee, Kasich sure won’t if that is what you are trying to imply

As for your assumption that repukes don’t even know who he is, are you from Ohio? People in Ohio sure know who he is, and that is the whole point, we are trying to get Ohio

We get Ohio, the election is over

Because he wants to stir shit up with Ocasio-Cortez, so what, she didn’t sit ideally by while he did that, she threw his false accusation right back at him

There is a much bigger issue, and that is winning in November

[Maven]

56. I care that we continue to perpetuate the myth of 'Kasich the moderate'

It doesn't help us in the long-run. Treating right-wing extremists who want to take away our rights as 'principled opponents of good faith' is a big part of how we got into this mess.

[still_one]

59. He is talking against trump, and telling people vote for Biden/Harris, I am ok with that

He isn’t going to change my mind about him, but he may convince some republicans and independents to vote Democratic in November, and from my perspective that is as far as it goes

[Sympthsical]

64. Virulent anti-woman people are super moderate!

I can't believe people defend this. Well, I can.

But it doesn't make me less disgusted by it.

[progressoid]

98. Indeed.

[JI7]

70. Endorsing a Democrat for President kills any chance at being president for him

Jon Huntsman lost his primary for another governor race because he worked in Obama's administration. And he didn't even endorse Obama for president.

[Polybius]

90. Him speaking tonight at our convention has enraged Republicans

He's poison to them now, he has no political future in their Party.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

35. And AOC is a Dem, so she gets my support in this.

[still_one]

54. and that is the way it should be. Kaisch is there for one reason only, and that is to try and

help us capture Ohio

[Maven]

58. Yes and she is 100% right

He has extremist anti-woman, anti-labor views that we should not legitimize as mainstream. AOC isn't the extremist. He is.

[Doremus]

37. How good of him not to demand policy concessions before appearing on our stage. nt

[Luciferous]

14. Seems pretty dumb to give a Republican a prime speaking spot at the DNC

I don't buy this unity BS. Seems like the Republicans fucked up their party and now want to horn in on ours...

[cayugafalls]

15. I sure hope Kasich speech does not freaking backfire.

I feel it's like inviting the fox into the hen house.

And fwiw, is he getting more time that AOC, if so, why? At least she is a democratic rep.

[mjvpi]

17. I'm an old white guy from Montana.

Rep Ocasio-Cortez speaks to what makes me a life long Democrat.
Kasich is a practitioner of the type of Republican politics that lead directly to Trump. Ohio has been the center of some of the most questionable Election Day events in my life time. The only thing that he has been on the correct side of history on is when he realized that Trump is evil. He’s a free market Christian conservative Republican. Rep Ocasio-Cortez is the future of my party.

[global1]

20. I Hope The Dems Screened Kasich's Speech And Have Their Hand.....

on the mute button in case he goes off script.

[Sympthsical]

24. I'm not entirely surprised Left-bashers are at the convention

It's become a popular sport in recent years. Kasich is going to be too comfortable, I fear.

And he'll have his "moderate" fans.

I just want to get to November and get this over with. We have so much work to do.

[Niagara]

72. Agreed.

I just want to get to November and get this over with. We have so much work to do.

Agreed.




Welcome to DU, Sympthsical!

[Crunchy Frog]

25. Not cool.

I appreciate his support this election, but he does NOT get to have a say in defining our party for us.

[CentralMass]

27. I prefer Democratic National Conventions that don't have Republican speakers.

[MyOwnPeace]

28. What kind of person..........

goes into a place where he/she is an invited guest and proceeds to tell the host who deserves to be there?
How DARE him to tell a family member that he/she really shouldn't be there!

GO SUCK EGGS, Kasich. Better yet, have a cup or two of water from the Cuyahoga River*. I'm SO impressed with what the RepubliCons have done to help improve our environmental conditions under YOUR party's "leadership!"

*https://www.history.com/news/epa-earth-day-cleveland-cuyahoga-river-fire-clean-water-act

[Mariana]

79. We already knew how little respect Mr. Kasich has for women.

This should come as no great surprise to anyone.

[liskddksil]

30. Where was John Kasich and the other Johnny come-latelys in 2016

when they could have actually made a difference. Too little to late for me to give a flip what he has to say.

[Demsrule86]

42. Kasich did not support Trump in 16...said he didn't vote for him.

But no matter what he is on our side this year.

[liskddksil]

47. Whatever. Anything less than a full-throttled endorsement of Hillary was not meeting the moment nt

[Demsrule86]

53. Well we have a fullthroated endorsement this year...and all I hear are complaints. I hope it helps

with Ohio.

[MyOwnPeace]

84. Yeah, he's "on our side now"...................

that gives him NO right to tell any of US, especially those out there that are really taking the fight to center court, who should be doing what and who is a "true" Democrat and represents the heart and soul of the party.
I'm really disappointed at those that won't stand up and fight for AOC just to get a speech from a RepubliCon that does not even come close to supporting what we believe our government should be.
Don't give me the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullshit - he's got his own agenda and will not support us when he's trying to get some office in the future.

[jalan48]

39. Just say no to Republican lite.

[Demsrule86]

40. And this is why she has a taped 60 second appearance.

Ohio is an important state...I see no purpose in her comments.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

41. Support the Republican over the Democrat.

Cool. Cool cool cool.

[Demsrule86]

55. I support a positive convention with no controversy are arguing...Trump is the enemy and anyone

who opposes him is on our side. So yeah cool, cool and cool.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

60. The Republican came in swinging.

Maybe he should stop with the controversy.

[Demsrule86]

62. Absolutely, no controversy. Let's go after Trump.

[Awsi Dooger]

46. She doesn't understand that she doesn't need to respond to everything

Restraint is such a valuable trait that I'm not sure she'll ever own. She needs to figure it out before running for higher office. Otherwise her approval rating will be capped near 40-45%. Swing voters do not appreciate that type of personality in a female candidate. It is simply reality and no reason to believe it will change.

I agree...there was no point to her comments. You don't want to be attacking someone who is endorsing Biden in a speech that will be a centerpiece moment, whether she likes it or not. She seems to think she has to play to her base every 5 minutes.

[Mariana]

50. "Swing voters do not appreciate that type of personality in a female candidate." - Awsi Dooger

[JI7]

67. She doesn't need swing voters in her district.

[MyOwnPeace]

85. Wow - you've got that right.........

She should know that as a young woman she should just go sit in her corner and wait until she's asked if she has any thoughts about anything, like, should an anti-abortion, anti-union person speak out against a member of the party that has invited him to speak at their convention.
GAWD, when will they learn to know their place?


Oh, and by the way, just in case you didn't get it:

[radius777]

101. Some older (boomer) voters may hold such outdated concepts of women but

middle-aged (gen-x) and younger (millennials) voters generally do not, and tend to prefer strong female personalities.

AOC should've ignored him, but he did start it. We need the type of voters he brings in but we also need the type she brings as well. He could've made his point without using her name.

[Mariana]

104. He figured it was safe to attack her by name

because she's a young woman. I don't think he would have disparaged a man by name that way.

[cwydro]

105. So how do you feel about Whitmer saying "motherf-----", hmm?

Women shouldn’t curse in your opinion, eh?

[budkin]

43. Screw Kasich

Good for him for speaking out against Trump, but he's an extremist in his own right.

[DeminPennswoods]

73. This

[cynatnite]

51. I get why they're doing it...doesn't mean I'll watch Kasich or the other repubs on the schedule. n/t

[still_one]

57. Exactly. He isn't there for you or me, he is there to try and get republicans and independents to

vote for Biden/Harris in November, and just maybe give us a leg up in Ohio

[George II]

71. A similar spat broke out back in 2018 between her and Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth.....

Turns out Senator Duckworth was correct:

Link to tweet

Dem senator: Ocasio-Cortez's platform is future of party in the 'Bronx,' not country

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) on Sunday warned against Democrats shifting “too far to the left,” saying it could alienate Midwestern voters.

Duckworth made the comments on CNN's "State of the Union"....

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/395064-dem-lawmaker-ocasio-cortez-represents-the-bronx-not-the-future-of

[liskddksil]

92. Got some evidence for that assertion?

[George II]

93. Yes.

[Raine]

78. Nothing but an extremist working out his personal hatred of trump and

using the Democratic party to promote himself for 2024.

[Dirty Socialist]

82. AOC 1, Kasich 1

Ocasio-Cortez is correct that Kasich is anti-worker, especially against teachers.
Ocasio-Cortez is wrong about Kasich being an "anti-choice extremist". Kasich vetoed the heartbeat bill shortly before he left office.

[Celerity]

86. Kasich the Rethug absolutely IS an "anti-choice extremist", so no, not a draw at all

He signed a bill that would imprison doctors for performing a common abortion procedure.

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/ohio-gov-john-kasich-signs-one-nations-most-restrictive-abortion-bans-vetoes-heartbeat-bill/2366674002/

[lapucelle]

88. Here's what he said in the interview.

“I think both parties have to have new ideas, and I think this country is moderate,” said Kasich, winding up to a gentle criticism of Ocasio-Cortez. “People on the extreme, whether they're on the left or on the right, they get outsized publicity that tends to define their party. You know, I listen to people all the time make these statements, and because AOC gets outsized publicity doesn't mean she represents the Democratic Party. She's just a part, just some member of it. And it's on both sides, whether it's the Republicans or whether it's the Democrats.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/john-kasich-democratic-national-convention?origin=web-hf

[Celerity]

91. Kasich the union-busting, forced birther RW Republican extremist can go sod off

That motherfucker and the other 3 Rethugs speaking literally helped build the party, set up the zeitgeist that produced Trump and the Trumpian Rethug Party.


Kasich has ZERO right to sit in judgement of who is and who is no representative of our party, and less than zero right to call any Democrat an extremist. For but one example, he signed a bill that would imprison a doctor just for performing a routing abortion procedure.



Charles P. Pierce : John Kasich Should Shut His Gob About What Qualifies as 'Extreme'

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100213923291

[lapucelle]

94. "Hate it if you want but John Kasich gave a good speech for Joe."

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100213924496

[Celerity]

95. At the end of the day, he is just another Republican rotter, with the same agenda as Rump and the

rest of them. His modus operandi is just at a slower pace, with more cunning, and a misleadingly happy, apparently sane face on.

He helped build the highway of hate that Trump drove in on.

[Withywindle]

102. Kasich is anti-choice, so he can already fuck the fuck off.

He can speak at our convention if he wants to denounce Trump and weed off the barely-existent moderate-Republican vote and that's nice, but the LAST thing the Democratic Party needs is to be pushed further right.

We already lose votes from young people because there's not enough being done about the issues they care about, like raising the minimum wage, increasing access to health care (not health INSURANCE, that's not the same thing as health CARE), standing up against police brutality, etc.

I think AOC was wrong to call Kasich an "extremist," I don't think he is, but he is also a powerful man who should be able to take a little criticism.

Also, he's not a Democrat and AOC is. We should be backing her here.

[HAB911]

103. FUCK Kasich

that is all