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FM123

(10,063 posts)
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:30 PM Aug 2020

Hillary Clinton urges Biden not to concede in close election

(MSN) Hillary Clinton, who lost to Donald Trump in 2016, said Tuesday that this year's Democratic challenger Joe Biden should refuse to concede until all votes are counted in a tight and possibly drawn-out contest. Clinton said that possible delays in tallying ballots -- with mail-in voting set to reach unprecedented levels -- mean Biden must hold back from accepting defeat initially.

"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out and, eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side," Clinton said in an interview with Showtime's "The Circus."

Clinton, who won almost three million more votes than Trump overall in 2016 but lost to him in the state-by-state electoral college count, suggested that the Republicans are hoping to get the result they want through in-person voting on the day -- and not necessarily wait for any delayed mail-in ballots to be counted.

Her comments follow warnings from both sides that the result of the election may not be known on the evening of November 3rd. Republicans "have a couple of scenarios that they are looking toward. One is messing up absentee balloting," she said. "They believe that helps them so that they then get maybe a narrow advantage in the electoral college on election day," Clinton said.

She called for Democrats to mount a "massive legal operation." (Read More)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-urges-biden-not-to-concede-in-close-election/ar-BB18mYX7?ocid=mailsignout

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Hillary Clinton urges Biden not to concede in close election (Original Post) FM123 Aug 2020 OP
Totally agree 100000% soothsayer Aug 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Tom Traubert Aug 2020 #14
Ditto. don't concede shit. Let every ballot be counted. nt iluvtennis Aug 2020 #42
What about all the ballots dejoy will claim "we ran out of time" and will never deliver. KS Toronado Aug 2020 #46
Absolutely. We've lived through 3 of these scenarios this Century and it's time for a different en OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #2
And don't be afraid to state it now. There will be no peaceful acceptance of the vote until every OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #3
"AND LITIGATED"!! Yes! Because on January 20, Nancy Pelosi becomes the president. BComplex Aug 2020 #52
I sure wish Al Gore had requested a total recount. LuvNewcastle Aug 2020 #32
Lieberman was probably counseling Gore to capitulate. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #33
Oh yeah, I forgot all about Lieberman. LuvNewcastle Aug 2020 #38
More than that. We'd have had a whole different energy policy that would have made ME oil OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2020 #41
Why do you think 9/11 would have been prevented? former9thward Aug 2020 #47
It's been a long time since I've read LuvNewcastle Aug 2020 #49
While we can never know what would have happened on 9/11 robbob Aug 2020 #50
The unhinged Twitter rant from IT will be Epic. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2020 #4
Make sure the Biden/Harris campaign gets that advice clearly. Lock him up. Aug 2020 #5
Never surrender Joe,never. I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #6
We need to do all we can to make sure it isn't close JI7 Aug 2020 #7
YES. No conceding "for the good of the country" Maven Aug 2020 #8
+1. "For the good of the country" here means "for the good of Republicans dalton99a Aug 2020 #28
Exactly, and we have fallen for it too many times Maven Aug 2020 #48
I won't be close. Hillary no need worry. nt oasis Aug 2020 #9
Agreed. StevieM Aug 2020 #19
I agree it wont be close ace3csusm Aug 2020 #22
I'm still pissed off at the 2000 election. BigmanPigman Aug 2020 #10
+1 sandensea Aug 2020 #29
He already teased BigmanPigman Aug 2020 #31
Idea for next ad: 'If you vote for Trump, you're voting for Pence' sandensea Aug 2020 #34
+1, Bush admin hurt a lot of Americans in the end uponit7771 Aug 2020 #40
Agree completely Hekate Aug 2020 #11
Do Not Concede RandomHall Aug 2020 #12
Absolutely. Do not concede - any Trump "victory" will be suspicious. Jim__ Aug 2020 #13
fuckin'-A-right! prepare to go to the mattresses - no more damn Bush/FL bullshit bringthePaine Aug 2020 #15
Good advice. warmfeet Aug 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Aug 2020 #17
Democrats MUST Fight. And Fight Like Hell. dalton99a Aug 2020 #18
I don't anticipate a terribly close election. StevieM Aug 2020 #20
Good On ya, Hillary! I think you're absolutely Correct! Cha Aug 2020 #21
Never surrender. Never give in. MontanaMama Aug 2020 #23
Absolutely perfect response! debsy Aug 2020 #24
sounds pretty scary AlexSFCA Aug 2020 #25
False. Drunken Irishman Aug 2020 #27
It won't drag out... Drunken Irishman Aug 2020 #26
Never give up... FailureToCommunicate Aug 2020 #30
Galaxy Quest! FM123 Aug 2020 #44
He better fucking not nt Javaman Aug 2020 #35
Take it all the way to the Supremes if needed. roamer65 Aug 2020 #36
I really just want to vote early, and then Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #37
You know what? "Concessions" are bullshit anyway. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2020 #39
She should not have conceded in 2016. triron Aug 2020 #43
Good advice from Hillary! What a visual with Trump in handcuffs!... Illumination Aug 2020 #45
Kick! This can Not be Gore V Bush . sarcasmo Aug 2020 #51
EVERYBODY GET OUT THE VOTE FOR JOE Blue Owl Aug 2020 #53

Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

OAITW r.2.0

(25,691 posts)
3. And don't be afraid to state it now. There will be no peaceful acceptance of the vote until every
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:36 PM
Aug 2020

vote is countered and every case of voter suppression is litigated.

LuvNewcastle

(16,925 posts)
32. I sure wish Al Gore had requested a total recount.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:39 PM
Aug 2020

This country has got to learn that we aren't equipped to have instantaneous, accurate results. I wish VP Gore and Sec Clinton had gone through a recount, and I wish the country hadn't gone through those tough times with W and Trump in power. These elections are too important to be decided by 10:00 on election night. We should have a complete automatic recount every time.

LuvNewcastle

(16,925 posts)
38. Oh yeah, I forgot all about Lieberman.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:58 PM
Aug 2020

I wonder if Gore would have done better if he had chosen Zell Miller instead of Lieberman. He might have won GA, but I'm not sure about CT. It's fun to think about this stuff sometimes. Any choice that would have prevented 9/11 and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would have definitely been worth it...........................unless somebody else got pissed off and we got a world war to take the place of those conflicts. Sometimes it's better to accept what you've been given.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,691 posts)
41. More than that. We'd have had a whole different energy policy that would have made ME oil
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:01 PM
Aug 2020

a low priority and a military budget significantly reduced. A more solid and sustainable economic policy. Carter tried this, Republicans kept us on the Big Oil addiction.

former9thward

(32,649 posts)
47. Why do you think 9/11 would have been prevented?
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:29 PM
Aug 2020

Bin Laden declared war on the U.S. in the 90s when Gore was VP.

LuvNewcastle

(16,925 posts)
49. It's been a long time since I've read
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:58 PM
Aug 2020

news and analysis regarding 9/11, but I remember reading that the Clinton administration was much further ahead in intelligence research. I read that Clinton's people were aware of Bin Laden's activity in 2000 and 2001. If Gore had gone into office in 2001, there's a good chance that Bin Laden's schemes would have been laid bare.

robbob

(3,565 posts)
50. While we can never know what would have happened on 9/11
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:50 PM
Aug 2020

One thing I’m pretty sure of is Al Gore wouldn’t have ignored a document titled “Bin Laden determined to strike in USA” to go on vacation for a month.

Lock him up.

(7,118 posts)
5. Make sure the Biden/Harris campaign gets that advice clearly.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:43 PM
Aug 2020

The outcome is too important to let the tRump MOB get its way by bullying again.
Take the time it'll take to count ALL the votes. The electoral college vote is only mid-December.
No need to rush to please the failing medias.

RICO the tRump MOB
Over 180,000 victims of it soon. 'nuf!

Maven

(10,533 posts)
8. YES. No conceding "for the good of the country"
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:51 PM
Aug 2020

Do not give in until every vote is counted and every irregularity is explained.

dalton99a

(82,396 posts)
28. +1. "For the good of the country" here means "for the good of Republicans
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:26 PM
Aug 2020

and to the detriment of the country"

StevieM

(10,504 posts)
19. Agreed.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:37 PM
Aug 2020

The only reason 2016 was even close is because of James Comey's antics throughout the election.

sandensea

(22,232 posts)
29. +1
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:27 PM
Aug 2020

We ceased being a full democracy at that point - all the more so after the 2004 Ken Blackbox heist.

But 2016 really pushed us down the slippery slope of banana republicanism - one as slippery as a banana peel.

2020 may be our last chance back from the brink.

BigmanPigman

(52,088 posts)
31. He already teased
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:36 PM
Aug 2020

that he may be in office for 12 more years (I guess he thinks he is as wonderful as FDR).

sandensea

(22,232 posts)
34. Idea for next ad: 'If you vote for Trump, you're voting for Pence'
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:46 PM
Aug 2020

Because the Fat Bastard probably only has a few more months to live, what with his health.

He already had a stroke last year (the Walter Reed "check-up" ).

RandomHall

(13 posts)
12. Do Not Concede
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:03 PM
Aug 2020

Do *not* concede. Let us take Trump's projection and turn it around: Trump claims that if he loses, it is a fraudulent outcome. We say that if Biden does not win, *that* is the fraudulent outcome. Trump and GOP voter suppression has reached new depths that are astounding and shameless.

All the polls indicate a Biden win; and the election day exit polls will probably also indicate a Biden win (unless they are "corrected" to match the stolen results in key swing states, as happened in 2016). (Reference: Greg Palast.)

Be ready for an inside/outside strategy and action: legal court challenges by DNC lawyers, and we the people peacefully protesting in the streets, in every major city and town in the nation.

Let us be inspired by the good people of Belarus, who have been demonstrating in the streets for two weeks, since the day of their election (August 9) that was stolen by their president for life (26 years) Lukashenko.

And Biden must remember to be tough, and stay strong. This election is not just about him; it is literally to save the country and to save our democratic republic.




Jim__

(14,207 posts)
13. Absolutely. Do not concede - any Trump "victory" will be suspicious.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:20 PM
Aug 2020

Do not concede until all possible suspicions of cheating have been resolved.

In 2000, Al Gore conceded for the good of the country. Any Trump victory will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Response to FM123 (Original post)

StevieM

(10,504 posts)
20. I don't anticipate a terribly close election.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:38 PM
Aug 2020

We are going to destroy Trump.

Of course, that won't stop him from claiming that he won and declaring victory.

AlexSFCA

(6,154 posts)
25. sounds pretty scary
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:05 PM
Aug 2020

looking at another razor thin margin election.trump is already closing the gap at 42% approval and rising, lying his way to the throne

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. False.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:25 PM
Aug 2020

Please don't spread disinformation. Biden's lead today is the highest it's been in over a month.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. It won't drag out...
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:24 PM
Aug 2020

Biden is going to win Florida and Pennsylvania and that will give him the clear path to victory - with both states being called on election night.

Crunchy Frog

(26,768 posts)
37. I really just want to vote early, and then
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:56 PM
Aug 2020

go under heavy IV sedation until it's all over.

I my try just doing it with hard liquor.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
39. You know what? "Concessions" are bullshit anyway.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:00 PM
Aug 2020

I'm not owed a verdict at the end of the day. Certainly not one based on one of the candidates reading the tea leaves.
I'm owed an accurate count. And I'll wait for it.

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