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Three woke youth walk into a bar... (Original Post) melm00se Sep 2020 OP
I SO agree with this! I must say that I'm not completely woke because... LAS14 Sep 2020 #1
I find it's usually white males who say this kind of thing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #2
And Dave Chappelle. He's horrible too. nt LexVegas Sep 2020 #5
Yup ismnotwasm Sep 2020 #7
It's not by a long shot Sympthsical Sep 2020 #8
Maybe it's a matter of skill then ismnotwasm Sep 2020 #9
I'll share a link to one example of what I'm talking about Sympthsical Sep 2020 #11
SJW is right-wing terminology (kind of like PC)... not gonna bother reading this. n/t demmiblue Sep 2020 #3
Did you mean to post the Cleese article? mahina Sep 2020 #4
Living in Britain MenloParque Sep 2020 #6
Hilarious response chowder66 Sep 2020 #10

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
1. I SO agree with this! I must say that I'm not completely woke because...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:27 PM
Sep 2020

... it took my 3 internet hits on SWJ to figure out that it probably means "standard white Jesus." True? Oh, wait! It's SJW. Social Justice Warrior? Interestingly searching for either SWJ or SJW brings up hits for both.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,337 posts)
2. I find it's usually white males who say this kind of thing.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:30 PM
Sep 2020
The former Fawlty Towers star added: “From the point of creativity, if you have to keep thinking which words you can use and which you can’t, then that will stifle creativity."


If you can't tell a joke without a slur or bigoted trope, are you really that creative?

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
7. Yup
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:32 PM
Sep 2020

Start making unwoke redneck hillbilly jokes and see what happens. Or all the outrage over the “Karen” meme.

It’s not hard to joke at bigotry while being funny, Richard Pryor was great at this. There are other comics as well. Other books, other mediums, that are able to use words, and somehow put them in a context that isn’t a sly way of being fucking bigot.


Of course there’s the free for all joke entitled “The Aristocrats” which most comics take on at least amongst themselves i.e. how far can you push the offensiveness envelope? That joke crosses every boundary there is.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
8. It's not by a long shot
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:34 PM
Sep 2020

It's a comedian thing.

I watch quite a bit of stand-up comedy, both famous and on YouTube (I want to try doing open mics once Covid is gone). A lot of comedians of every ethnicity are having a hard time towing the new woke lines. The past two or three years, Asian comedians have been rising and gaining visibility. Being first or second generation, they'll often make fun of their own culture, doing accents, critiquing parenting skills, adjusting to the West, etc.

I've listened to interviews and podcasts with some of them, and they complain that they have a hard time with woke culture. They get angry letters about their material, being called racist against their own race, etc. Especially when doing college tours.

This baffles me. I'm a gay man and love watching a comedian skewer gay culture. Is it woke? Probably not. Do I care? Not a bit. As long as it's funny.

I find the "woker" people are, the less sense of humor they have. And what they find "funny" is just a random putdown of a right-winger somewhere. "Oh my god, you called Trump a stupid name. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!"

I don't want to hang around that kind of sense of humor. It's very dull, usually mean-spirited, and utterly vapid. It isn't humor, it's signaling. There's a comedian I used to absolutely love. Then she went Ultra Woke. Now she simply stands on stage, mocking the Right with applause lines, and waiting for the, "Clap for the thing you agree with here!" to begin.

No creativity. Nothing particularly interesting to say. I have the same problem with Samantha Bee. I used to love her on the Daily Show. She still mocked the Right, but the angle of approach was usually ridiculous and funny as hell. Then she got her own show, and it's really just bitter ranting. Which is fine if that's her new niche. But it's rarely funny to me.

If you go into a comedy show looking to be offended, you should not be at a comedy show.

ismnotwasm

(41,979 posts)
9. Maybe it's a matter of skill then
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:57 PM
Sep 2020

It’s not about being offended, a good comedian makes you listen, laugh, and think. It’s not “this part of this culture is soooo hilarious” as it’s why am I laughing?

I understand a lot of people don’t want dig deep— they want to be entertained but GOOD comedy doesn’t give you a choice.


Even silly skits like this



Why do I laugh?


Good Comedy is pain turned outward, so Gay culture laughing at Gay culture in the most intimate of ways, sounds very different the a cis White male laughing at himself, through comedy, Trying to understand Gay culture.

Unless they are being a straight up bigot. Then to me, it’s not fucking funny.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
11. I'll share a link to one example of what I'm talking about
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:37 PM
Sep 2020

This is Eliot Chang, one of my favorite comedians who is straight. (He's not even slightly woke. In fact, he's strenuously against woke culture).

In this bit, he talks about gay friends he has and a homophobe. Warning: He curses.



This? Is hilarious to me as a gay man. My super woke gay friends? They would not be amused. At all.

mahina

(17,652 posts)
4. Did you mean to post the Cleese article?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:42 PM
Sep 2020

Because there’s no joke there

Also don’t know what sjw means

MenloParque

(512 posts)
6. Living in Britain
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:18 PM
Sep 2020

Last edited Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Living in Britain for a few years I grew to love British humor and comedy. I don’t much know about Cleese’s politics but I love me some Monty Pythons. I dislike the cringey word “woke” and tell people I’m not woke just a nice person. I do have moments where I love listening to dark, politically incorrect comedians- Lenny Bruce, Pryor, Dave attel. But most times I like vanilla humor comedians such as gaffigan, lopez, Sykes.

chowder66

(9,068 posts)
10. Hilarious response
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:05 PM
Sep 2020

"Clease should not be provided a podium to spew his hatred. Forget his comments about London, his record on animal abuse, and making light thereof, is disgusting. He has trivialized the deaths of colorful south Pacific birds and contributed to causing a culture of fear in the marginalized minorty communities of those parrots, especially relating to their ownership by pirates."

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