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http://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2020/09/03/news/john-cleese-can-you-tell-me-a-woke-joke--2055272/edited thread title to address a comment below
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... it took my 3 internet hits on SWJ to figure out that it probably means "standard white Jesus." True? Oh, wait! It's SJW. Social Justice Warrior? Interestingly searching for either SWJ or SJW brings up hits for both.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,337 posts)If you can't tell a joke without a slur or bigoted trope, are you really that creative?
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Start making unwoke redneck hillbilly jokes and see what happens. Or all the outrage over the Karen meme.
Its not hard to joke at bigotry while being funny, Richard Pryor was great at this. There are other comics as well. Other books, other mediums, that are able to use words, and somehow put them in a context that isnt a sly way of being fucking bigot.
Of course theres the free for all joke entitled The Aristocrats which most comics take on at least amongst themselves i.e. how far can you push the offensiveness envelope? That joke crosses every boundary there is.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)It's a comedian thing.
I watch quite a bit of stand-up comedy, both famous and on YouTube (I want to try doing open mics once Covid is gone). A lot of comedians of every ethnicity are having a hard time towing the new woke lines. The past two or three years, Asian comedians have been rising and gaining visibility. Being first or second generation, they'll often make fun of their own culture, doing accents, critiquing parenting skills, adjusting to the West, etc.
I've listened to interviews and podcasts with some of them, and they complain that they have a hard time with woke culture. They get angry letters about their material, being called racist against their own race, etc. Especially when doing college tours.
This baffles me. I'm a gay man and love watching a comedian skewer gay culture. Is it woke? Probably not. Do I care? Not a bit. As long as it's funny.
I find the "woker" people are, the less sense of humor they have. And what they find "funny" is just a random putdown of a right-winger somewhere. "Oh my god, you called Trump a stupid name. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!"
I don't want to hang around that kind of sense of humor. It's very dull, usually mean-spirited, and utterly vapid. It isn't humor, it's signaling. There's a comedian I used to absolutely love. Then she went Ultra Woke. Now she simply stands on stage, mocking the Right with applause lines, and waiting for the, "Clap for the thing you agree with here!" to begin.
No creativity. Nothing particularly interesting to say. I have the same problem with Samantha Bee. I used to love her on the Daily Show. She still mocked the Right, but the angle of approach was usually ridiculous and funny as hell. Then she got her own show, and it's really just bitter ranting. Which is fine if that's her new niche. But it's rarely funny to me.
If you go into a comedy show looking to be offended, you should not be at a comedy show.
ismnotwasm
(41,979 posts)Its not about being offended, a good comedian makes you listen, laugh, and think. Its not this part of this culture is soooo hilarious as its why am I laughing?
I understand a lot of people dont want dig deep they want to be entertained but GOOD comedy doesnt give you a choice.
Even silly skits like this
Why do I laugh?
Good Comedy is pain turned outward, so Gay culture laughing at Gay culture in the most intimate of ways, sounds very different the a cis White male laughing at himself, through comedy, Trying to understand Gay culture.
Unless they are being a straight up bigot. Then to me, its not fucking funny.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)This is Eliot Chang, one of my favorite comedians who is straight. (He's not even slightly woke. In fact, he's strenuously against woke culture).
In this bit, he talks about gay friends he has and a homophobe. Warning: He curses.
This? Is hilarious to me as a gay man. My super woke gay friends? They would not be amused. At all.
demmiblue
(36,851 posts)mahina
(17,652 posts)Because theres no joke there
Also dont know what sjw means
MenloParque
(512 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 3, 2020, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Living in Britain for a few years I grew to love British humor and comedy. I dont much know about Cleeses politics but I love me some Monty Pythons. I dislike the cringey word woke and tell people Im not woke just a nice person. I do have moments where I love listening to dark, politically incorrect comedians- Lenny Bruce, Pryor, Dave attel. But most times I like vanilla humor comedians such as gaffigan, lopez, Sykes.
chowder66
(9,068 posts)"Clease should not be provided a podium to spew his hatred. Forget his comments about London, his record on animal abuse, and making light thereof, is disgusting. He has trivialized the deaths of colorful south Pacific birds and contributed to causing a culture of fear in the marginalized minorty communities of those parrots, especially relating to their ownership by pirates."