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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/09/04/trump-and-stars-and-stripes-attacking-american-icon-column/5706859002/The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down for no good reason
Trump wants to pull funding from Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for American troops that began in the Civil War and has been serving our soldiers.
Even for those of us who are all too wearily familiar with President Donald Trumps disdain for journalists, his administrations latest attack on the free press is a bit of a jaw-dropper.
In a heretofore unpublicized recent memo, the Pentagon delivered an order to shutter Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that has been a lifeline and a voice for American troops since the Civil War. The memo orders the publisher of the news organization (which now publishes online as well as in print) to present a plan that dissolves the Stars and Stripes by Sept. 15 including "specific timeline for vacating government owned/leased space worldwide.
The last newspaper publication (in all forms) will be September 30, 2020, writes Col. Paul Haverstick Jr., the memos author.
(on edit--citing only the article from USA Today (published Sept. 4th) and not Twitter commentary that might be misleading)
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)They want to complain about the removal of Confederate statues but not the history and the current benefit this paper provides?
mcar
(42,329 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)they be called to account.
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)Why shuttered? Why now? It cannot, absolutely cannot be because of cost concerns. This is DOD, where 1/2 of your taxes goes each year. The Stars and Stripes publication costs aren't even a footnote on a ledger sheet from that gargantuan money-gobbler.
So, House of Representatives, please find out WTF? Investigate it. Track the decision back to its source which, I have an odd feeling, will be someone somewhere in the White House
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Vote the MF out.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
madaboutharry
(40,210 posts)This can not stand and I think it will not.
Trump hates our soldiers because they make him feel like the coward that he is.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)That might be where he's heading.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)One was Pravda, which means The Truth.
The other was Izvestia, which means The News.
(Both are still in business.)
The man on the street knew that there was no Izvestia in Pravda and no Pravda in Izvestia.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)I've heard of that too.
I would imagine all of these to be Orwellian. The death of Democracy would be the death of truth.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)It means Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Did we meet on FB about four years ago? Just kidding.
Thanks.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The weird thing is, I didn't really study the language. I couldn't walk into a restaurant and order a meal to save my life, but I could call a fire mission or identify all the switches on a BTR-60 dashboard.
Fun fact: the Russian word for the device on a vehicle that cranks over your engine is "starter."
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Thanks for replying.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)because he views them as "losers". What an ugly, petty little man he is.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)durablend
(7,460 posts)If he's re-elected (gasp), does the "real" stars and stripes come down and get replaced by the flag of the Kremlin?
Delarage
(2,186 posts)on American soldiers continues............
I'm glad Biden is meeting with Veteran members of Congress soon. This needs to be front-page news.
JHB
(37,160 posts)MineralMan
(146,307 posts)were lifelines for overseas military members, who often had no other access to the news. Today, it's a little easier for most military members to see the news, in the age of the Internet, but people still rely on the "Stars and Stripes" to keep them informed.
Donald Trump hates all news publications and broadcasts. They sometimes show him in the light of truth. He cannot stand that.
When I was in the USAF, in the mid to late 60s, and stationed at a remote base in Turkey, the "Air Force Times" was a principal source of news for me. We all depended on it, since other reliable news was hard to come by.
getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)Things like filing deadlines, how to get help with pshych issues, how to get financial support, advocacy groups, etc, etc, etc.
This is (soon to be was) a very focused publication which consolidated information not readily available in the real world.
It's just a vengeful move.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)PETTY TYRANT!!
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)It just seems too much, even for Trump, to actually shut down the press.
Even if he demands it, I don't believe he has the ability to back it up. One way or another, the paper will be published. Newspapers are like that.
On edit:
In fact, the version the House approved earlier this summer explicitly overruled the decision to pull the plug on Stars and Stripes, restoring funding for the paper.
So it's up to congress to decide if this will happen. Fat chance.
Trump may want to...
Trump may try to...
But Trump will not shut down Stars & Stripes.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,574 posts)It makes people think that anything he says has to happen. It still doesn't work that way. Yet!
getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)Look at the post office.
They have taken the attitude "what are you going to do about it"?
By the time this gets to a federal court, the infrastructure will be gone, the staff laid off or reassigned, and computers wiped.
What are you going to do about it?
KPN
(15,645 posts)during impeachment, all of us knew that this would be the result: a brazen posture set in a what are you going to do about it mindset held not just by t-FatAss-Rump and his family but by the entire administration as well as todays GOP.
I believe they feel this way about stealing or the election any way they can in November. They are definitely thinking what are you going to do about it? and think they have nothing to lose, everything (and they mean everything) to gain.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)You can sure bet that no one is going to stop him from doing this if he is resolved to do it.
It appears the federal budget is merely a suggestion for the executive branch now.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,574 posts)regarding moving money around for the wall
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Right now that is.
Fla Dem
(23,666 posts)Which in essence will shut it down.
"The memo orders the publisher of the news organization (which now publishes online as well as in print) to present a plan that dissolves the Stars and Stripes by Sept. 15 including "specific timeline for vacating government owned/leased space worldwide.
demmiblue
(36,851 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Thanks for the clarification.
Auggie
(31,169 posts)Just wanted this front and center. Stars and Stripes isn't dead yet.
benfranklin1776
(6,445 posts)Indeed, they need to pass a bill immediately barring such an eviction which is effectively a shut down. Make every alleged supporter of our troops in the Rethuglican Party go on record as standing with the troops or with the traitor in chief.
still_one
(92,190 posts)the economy
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I love it!
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)lastlib
(23,226 posts)U.S. Flag Code states that the flag should not touch anything beneath it. Shitgibbon is certainly beneath it.
erronis
(15,248 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)We could do a go fund me to get a movement going for a version to continue. The crook in our WH is anti-everything except hate and bigotry.
SamKnause
(13,103 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Let's not speak their disgusting language.
SamKnause
(13,103 posts)WTF are you talking about disgusting language ???
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)The point is to fight for the public funding, not default immediately to private funding.
SamKnause
(13,103 posts)If this asshole shuts it down it would be great if a citizen or citizens kept the funding in place
and continued the publication.
gristy
(10,667 posts)Confirmation in USA Today, though in the opinion section for some reason
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/09/04/trump-and-stars-and-stripes-attacking-american-icon-column/5706859002/
The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down for no good reason
Trump wants to pull funding from Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for American troops that began in the Civil War and has been serving our soldiers.
Kathy Kiely Opinion contributor
Even for those of us who are all too wearily familiar with President Donald Trumps disdain for journalists, his administrations latest attack on the free press is a bit of a jaw-dropper.
In a heretofore unpublicized recent memo, the Pentagon delivered an order to shutter Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that has been a lifeline and a voice for American troops since the Civil War. The memo orders the publisher of the news organization (which now publishes online as well as in print) to present a plan that dissolves the Stars and Stripes by Sept. 15 including "specific timeline for vacating government owned/leased space worldwide.
barbtries
(28,793 posts)he was unable to control what they printed so he shut them down.
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)Stars and Stripes was so important to me and my shipmates when I was in the navy.
GOTV!
keithbvadu2
(36,799 posts)It saves money to be used for his wall.
spanone
(135,831 posts)FUCK TRUMP
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)not right wing talk radio they got "patriots" just the ones from the left (are there any?)
ashredux
(2,605 posts)Chili
(1,725 posts)If that article last night wasn't enough, he's going to do THIS. He has dumped and offended every group who voted to elect him - the military community was the only traditional group left. Oh, except those who wear swastikas and white hoods. Those he can never lose. Thank goodness for the rest of us, that group is only 35% of the population. But armed forces? What a petty moron.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)What would Putin do?
benld74
(9,904 posts)At least some GOP read.
House budget specifically had S&S funded
Hes trying to stop military from finding out the crap hes doing to their country
He is the orange POS
Liberal In Texas
(13,552 posts)They really are trying to destroy the country.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)The decision to defund the publication on Sept 30 was made months ago by DOD and announced in February.
It has nothing to do with current polling.
Please check your sources and confirm accuracy before posting. We all look bad and damage our credibility if we repost stuff like this.
Leith
(7,809 posts)one newspaper today, perhaps a broadcast network tomorrow (he has already complained about fox propaganda channel of all things).
Let that sink in.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Stars and Stripes is the working class home town newspaper. Plus, it could and did snark on military life, refreshing change from the 'official' bs.
My favorite S&S cartoon from back in the Neolithic: Roman war galley, two tribunes watching a galley slave being booted overboard. Caption: "I love these enlisted men's retirement ceremonies."
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)They are trying to the same to VOA, but that is a little more difficult. Still, they are ripping it to pieces.
Congress won't be able to stop this. By the time they get a federal court to look at it, S&S won't exist any longer. Staff will be gone. Infrastructure gone. Computer systems gone. Nothing left to work with.
It's also unlikely any federal court will interfere with the workings of the dod communications of this nature. The constitution is clear on who controls the military.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Copied from a tweet:
THIS is Trump in a nutshell.
Trump golf trips so far $140 million. Benefit literally no other American except Trump.
Stars And Stripes costs $15.5 million to print per year. Is read by essentially all active military.
Trump? Cut 10% of your golf, let the Stars & Stripes live
Botany
(70,504 posts)n/t
33taw
(2,442 posts)TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)Still, prob not a good idea to de-fund -- but I don't think we can say it was in response to that polling or anything from right now.
33taw
(2,442 posts)Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)Fla Dem
(23,666 posts)AirmensMom
(14,642 posts)The cult is alive and well in the military. I doubt there's much he can do to lose many of them.
sl8
(13,767 posts)Fla Dem
(23,666 posts)"In a heretofore unpublicized recent memo, the Pentagon delivered an order to shutter Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that has been a lifeline and a voice for American troops since the Civil War. The memo orders the publisher of the news organization (which now publishes online as well as in print) to present a plan that dissolves the Stars and Stripes by Sept. 15 including "specific timeline for vacating government owned/leased space worldwide.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)And there will be a special message for Trump to tell him to go fuck himself.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)His mistreatment of the military? Russian bounties? Failure to contain COVID?
duforsure
(11,885 posts)The free press and he can't get them to serve and praise only him. Look for Generals to be replaced with others that will. Then onto dismantling the FBI , then renaming it for himself and stack it with only trump loyalists so they can undermine and destroy all evidence , and stop any other investigations against him.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)c-rational
(2,592 posts)passengers or people who can enter the cockpit acquiescing. Truly insane that a single man can be this destructive.
Submariner
(12,504 posts)He will announce that he will re-open the paper if Trump makes it disappear. Keep shooting yourself in the head donny.
ooky
(8,922 posts)marble falls
(57,081 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,728 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,315 posts)It's the lead picture in it that's from March. That is what, just this week, revealed that the DoD is ordering Stars & Stripes to shut this month, despite the February proposal not being passed in a budget yet (the Dem House budget kept the funding going).
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Ill change the second one's date.
PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)of our military! Bold strategy.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... outcry in social and main stream media. Rachel should do a good job if she puts it on her schedule.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... the Iranian Palace Guard.
Mustellus
(328 posts)The Army Times, https://www.armytimes.com/ , the Navy Times, https://www.navytimes.com/ , the Air Force Times, etc, still exist.
These are independent, and they aren't pulling any punches. Losing the Stars and Stripes... will just drive our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines to independent, hard hitting alternatives.
TygrBright
(20,759 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,988 posts)Both houses of Congress needs to act, and some Republicans, especially those with military bases in their districts, might get on board. Mitch McConnell especially needs to hear from soldiers at Fort Knox and Fort Campbell who rely on a newspaper addressed to their needs.