If I were Biden, I would NOT debate Donald Trump

[mdbl]

How do you debate a habitual liar? Even if you have a fact checker correct Trump on the spot Trump will make up another lie about what the fact checker said. It's a no win situation. You would just have to respond to everything Trump says beginning with the phrase " That's a lie". It's a worthless effort. Trump will just act like a big asshole bully and re-solidify that part of his base that like that while wasting the time of anyone with even a slight amount of intelligence.

[packman]

1. And if he doesn't imagine how that will be played by the Rethugs

Joe will destroy him by facts, logic and sincerity

[MoonchildCA]

25. ... and complete sentences.

[Xipe Totec]

2. Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig likes it. nt

[Thekaspervote]

33. Exactly!!

[mdbl]

3. I really think that if Biden's campaign publicly reminds everyone what a liar trump is

most will understand the decision.

[42bambi]

8. Yes, when Trump challenges Biden the best response would be - how do I debate a

known liar and calmly wait for Trump to turn it around and call Biden the liar; similar to what was said when Hillary told Trump he was Putin's puppet. Trump is consistently predictable.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. I disagree.

What the debates will show is someone who knows the world, the Constitution, how government works, what principles and values look like, and what the issues are that Americans are most concerned about. Joe Biden will have the advantage he because he knows how to put down a bully with that SEG of his.

All Biden has to do is look at Trump in such a way that will make him explode on live TV by saying, "Marlarkey". Trump will not be invading his space like he did with Hillary Clinton. Trump is up against someone who has the capibility to take him down and humiliate him with a smile.

As morbid as it sounds, I want to see Trump get humiliated by someone way smarter than he is.

[roscoeroscoe]

20. Agreed

Biden can't back out. He needs to win the ground, stand for the truth. Let Trump be put on the defensive by someone who doesn't have to kiss his ass for once!

[babylonsister]

5. Not worthless imo, especially

if there is a fact checker. Their appearance will show the stark difference between them, from intelligence and good ideas (mf45 has none) to empathy and morality (mf45 has none).

[mdbl]

6. I hope you are right but,

it made no difference with the debates with Hillary and you don't get any better at it than she. Her message got lost in all the BS generated by Trump and the Repuglicans

[42bambi]

14. That was so true then, but Trump has now been outed by his own words and actions.

[babylonsister]

30. iq45 was a lot sharper in 2016 than he is now.

There were also a lot of people who wanted nothing to do with the Clintons for various reasons. Not true with Biden.

[Maraya1969]

7. I think Trump is the one that will look like the big fool. He can't even answer questions!

Remember how he answered the question about how his next term will be on Fox.

He went on a rant about experience and talent but talent is better but he has experience and blah blah blah.

Ask him about how to stop a pandemic. What is he going to say? Just ask, if another pandemic comes to the US what will you do? Then let Trump tell a story that is 180 degree difference to what he already did or say that stopping people from China coming here will solve everything.

I personally think Trump is going to get out of the debates because 1. Biden is not a woman and 2. Biden is a smart human being and not a trump rally goer.

[Hoyt]

9. He has to debate trump, assuming trump shows up. He'll kick trump's lying ass too.

[mdbl]

11. that's a great NRA patch!

[ananda]

10. Based on what I've seen of his speaking so far..

Biden will do fine, better than fine really!

[captain queeg]

12. Definitely need some rules agreed to by both men before hand

Have a slide ready to show everyone the agreement with dumbos large and proud signature. I think they need to have him sign it, not some underling, so every time he breaks a rule they cut off his mike and show his signed agreement to the audience and spell out which rule he’s broken. Need an off switch on his mike and let him storm off like the baby he is when he can’t flout the rules.

[empedocles]

18. Also, not commit in advance to 3 debates. Make the other debates conditional

on the trump horrors in the first debate.

[PatSeg]

13. Trump is a terrible debater

and will look like a fool. Whenever he lies, Joe can just say, "That's not true" as many times as necessary. Trump is more thin-skinned today than ever, he won't keep his cool on stage with Joe.

[Polybius]

28. I wouldn't say terrible, but he's a 100% liar

He rolled through the GOP debates in 2015/16, party because he was entertaining (in a sleazy, Jerry Springer type way). The one debate they had where he skipped (because he was protesting Megan Kelly) was the lowest rated.

[PatSeg]

38. Yes, he is more of an entertainer than a debater

The difference between now and 2016 is Trump has a whole lot to lose and he isn't as confident as he was back then. He is more like a cornered animal up against a wall now and I expect he'll be more reactive.

[Blue_true]

48. He has a record now. In 2016 he was an unknown that the Press did a shitty job of

vetting. Now, Americans have seen what he is about and only haters and fools are still supporting him.

[PatSeg]

53. Yes

Voters didn't know what he would do as president, now we know. Many people gave him the benefit of the doubt, that doubt no longer exists.

I think sane people knew he would be a bad president, but I must say that as bad as I thought he would be, he turned out much, much worse. In that respect, he did exceed my expectations. I suppose I, like so many, thought there would be experienced people around him, who would curb his excesses and that our institutions would somehow contain him. Who could have foreseen so-called patriotic republicans in congress giving him a free pass at every turn? Having lived through Watergate, I am incredulous that so few stood up to his monster.

[empedocles]

15. How can we further force the moderators to referee fairly?

[70sEraVet]

16. Biden does not have to hide from a liar, I promise you.

Check out some moments from his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012:
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[dubyadiprecession]

17. Trump would be easy to bait in a debate.

Start talking about his poor grades, bankruptcies, failed marriages, his sons inability to serve in the military. His popular vote loss and that should be enough for him to whine and leave the debate stage upset.

[Blue_true]

50. Martha Radatz should be moderating a Biden-Trump debate, she consistently

forced Egor (Ryan) to answer questions that he wanted to avoid.

[Laelth]

19. I would not give Trump the time of day if I were Joe.

It would be insulting to Joe to have to appear on stage with the orange menace. Just appearing on stage with that buffoon would elevate Trump and diminish Joe.

No way. What is there to debate? The choice is outrageously clear.



-Laelth

[Karma13612]

23. But the public expect a debate

The Trump team would paint Joe as a coward if he didn’t agree to debate.

Trump supporters aren’t going to change their mind from a debate.
Biden supporters won’t either.

but, undecideds/fence sitters might see a true level headed candidate in Joe and decide to support him at the polls.

No, Joe needs to debate the orange menace, as odious as that is.

[In It to Win It]

21. I think the debates give Trump more oxygen

I wouldn't debate Trump. It would be everything BUT a debate.

[OrlandoDem2]

22. I say do the first 2. If consensus is that he won, then just say he lies all the time and skip the

[COLGATE4]

24. Couldn't agree with you more.

What's the old saying about not getting down in the mud with the pig? All that happens is that the pig enjoys it and you wind up getting covered in pigshit.

[Tetrachloride]

26. Biden will show up because he is a leader. Confront the enemy.

The trump scandals

https://www.thoughtco.com/trump-scandals-4142784Some options for Biden-Harris
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-administration-conflicts/

1. The financial scandals
2. Russia
3. Veterans
4. Covid 19
5. Jobs , general health care and costs.
6. Trump health

Put Trump on the defensive. Make him babble. Confront a lie and call it a lie. Don't fall prey to traps by the "moderators."

Vice-President Biden and Kamala Harris can and will do all of these things.

[subterranean]

34. Speaking of veterans...

I hope that Trump brings up his lie about passing the Veterans Choice Act (which he almost certainly will if the subject comes up), and that Biden corrects him by explaining that President Obama signed that into law in 2014. Trump had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Polybius]

27. Then you'd lose

Think about how bad refusing to debate would look to the undecideds. Imagine the ads.

[Buckeyeblue]

29. I don't think Trump will debate Biden

He'll find some reason to back out. Just look at recent press conferences: when Trump gets questioned about lies or missteps, he ends the press conference and walks away.

He won't be able to do that in a debate. His people know that. At this point, Trump probably doesn't have the emotional or physical stamina to make it through a debate.

[kentuck]

31. Trump doesn't want to debate.

He would love for Biden to drop out.

[keithbvadu2]

32. Debate - Absolutely!

See if Dotard has the cojones to show up.

Trump will try to set conditions on top of conditions.

Ignore them.

Biden shows up.

Will Trump?

[Thekaspervote]

35. Just MHO I still have my doubts that dotard will agree to debate

[mucifer]

36. Biden would be painted as a coward and the repubs on the fence it would suck

We need the republican votes and the radical liberal votes. We need every vote we can get.

[NotASurfer]

37. Biden ought to frame the attacks he will face as redirection

Then remind the audience every time it happens, like Christie took down Rubio by pointing out the canned responses.

[bullimiami]

39. I made this point awhile back. Exactly so. How do you 'debate' a liar?

One strategy would be to just dismiss all the lies out of hand because he is "a liar" or "full of shit", and just respond to those statements that you feel warrant a response.

And if any moderator has the gall to try to have you respond to trump bullshit just dismiss it as ridiculous or foolish or stupid or give it an 'are you kidding me?' or 'seriously, man (or ma'am)?' and move on.

[SpaceNeedle]

40. Not debating will be a disaster and the "dementia" meme will stick

I have faith in Joe Biden. He can kick Trump down and leave him bleeding, begging for mercy.

After the first debate and a knock out punch, Biden can back off any further debates.

[Bayard]

41. I'm thinking just give them both boxing gloves

Who do you think would win?

I think Joe should let trump blather for a bit, then hit back hard with a few minutes of facts and figures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

trump will self destruct.

[kimbutgar]

42. Tape delay it by 10 minutes and then show fact checking crawl when they are talking.

Best economy ever show the facts
Best response to COVID 19 Show the facts
Etc

[BamaRefugee]

43. Debate should be on a level playing field. One candidate releasing his tax returns, but the other

One NOT makes it a farce.
Biden should simply state that he will debate as soon as trump’s finances are available for scrutiny, like his.

[WyattKansas]

44. If I were Biden, I would be too tempted to pop Donnie Dumbass on his fat ass...

When he started his bullying distraction, like he did when he hovered behind Hillary like he was a tough guy squaring up for a fight.

Ten bucks says Donnie Dumbass would go running off stage crying if someone squared up to him and knocked him on his ass. Besides, the real fight would be when Donnie Jr. bull rushed the stage trying to play a 'Professional Wrestler' on top of his tough guy image that he peddles.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. He should

and he will

[MerryBlooms]

46. I believe both Biden and Harris are chomping at the bit to

get on the debate stage with Liar1 and Liar2. I also think Biden's idea of fact checking during the debate is a great idea.

Biden and Harris will kick their ASSES all over the stage and then off the stage into next week! Liar1 and Liar2 won't know what hit them!!

[Blue_true]

47. It would be a total mistake for Biden not to debate that moron.

That would only give the Trump campaign life.

[andym]

49. Thanks to Trump, Biden has low expectations going into any debate, so when he destroys Trump

It will really turn heads.
More people think Trump will win the debates than Biden according to polling.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/06/poll-more-pick-donald-trump-over-joe-biden-win-debates/5707265002/

When Biden shows him up, and calls him out for his lies, it may push Biden's lead up a few more points.

[roman88]

51. I disagree

You don't back down from bullies period. Biden (and Harris) can debate circles, ovals, rectangles, and pentagons around Trump (and Pence) so let the games begin I say!

[Wanderlust988]

52. We definitely don't need 3 debates!

That's overkill. The only debate format that might be worthwhile is the townhall format. Otherwise, I agree with the OP. Biden has little to gain from debating a liar.