I missed the fucking memo

[Aviation Pro]

That Woodward is the fucking President.

No, that's Shitbag's job.

That he's not doing.

[Sherman A1]

1. K&R

hit the nail on the head.

[grumpyduck]

2. Right.

More controversy-generation by the MSM.

Keep the people angry so they come back and raise our ratings and look at the ads so we can keep making money.

I'm so fucking sick of it all.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Yes, exactly. Trump had the duty and responsibility to tell the truth

as soon as he knew, and to do something about it. He did neither, and that's on him and his administration, nobody else.

[PJMcK]

4. Woodward is no hero

He had tapes. He didn't need to confirm a damn thing since he had Trump's own words. If he had released them earlier, lives may have been saved.

Regardless, you're absolutely correct, Aviation Pro. Trump is president, not Woodward and definitely not Biden (yet). All of this is Trump's responsibility.

So, I have two thoughts. First, Biden has to win the election in a blowout so we get rid of the asshole. Second, he should NEVER sit for an interview with Woodward. Why should he reward the money grubber?

[Montelimar]

8. Lives would have been saved if chumpo did his job

How soon before I start seeing people here blaming Joe Biden, Obama, and the Clintons for this?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

27. Let's blame the messenger and give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Nothing is ever Fat Donnie's fault. He had the obligation to tell us the truth. He should resign.

[markpkessinger]

30. And he was most likely contractually barred from disclosing details from his book before its release

Book publishing is a business, and publishers know how to protect their investments. The reason a publisher contracts with someone like Woodward in the first place is that they expect him to produce a scoop, a blockbuster. Allowing details from the book to be released in advance of the book's release could potentially mean fewer sales. I can promise you his publisher protected itself by barring him, in his contract, from releasing details in advance. If he had disclosed those details prior to publication, it likely would have opened him up to a lawsuit by his publisher, which he very likely would have lost.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

5. Get it straight. Woodward is the bad guy. Trump is the victim. :sarcasm:

[Mike 03]

6. Yes.

I'm tired of this fantasy that if only so-and-so stepped up, we wouldn't be in this or that mess.

DOZENS of people have come forward, starting with Christine Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti (a con man), Robert Mueller and Michael Cohen, Don McGahn, Allen Weisenberg, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, and going through all the rest, the dozens, from Fiona Hill to Colonel Vindman. They were always going to save us. Bolton couldn't save us. Cohen couldn't save us. Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson couldn't save us. Omarosa couldn't save us. Oh, but if only Gary Cohn had stepped forward--it would be different this time.

And there was the fury at Mueller when his testimony didn't save us.

Over and over again. It's a load of rubbish.

And we saw with our own eyes yesterday what would have happened if Woodward had come forward in February. We saw it with our own eyes. He did what psychopaths always do. And it would be all be forgotten by today.

The idea Woodward could have saved us is another fantasy that has twisted a story about Trump's incompetence and psychopathology into a story about a journalist being the enemy.

[ace3csusm]

16. From Crimycarny Post yesterday...

Regarding blaming Woodward--a reminder of how things were back then

2/3: the WHO chief stated that “there was no need for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade”

2/29: US cases around 15. Surgeon General tells Americans masks aren’t necessary.

3/8: Fauci in an interview with CBS said there is no need for people to wear masks

With even the experts downplaying the virus, no one would have listened to the tape if Woodward had played it back then. Trump could have easily spun it to something like “That was simply a theory going around at the time. We’ve since learned more and it’s not as dangerous as we thought.” And the numbers for deaths in young people—BACK THEN—would have backed him up. The number of deaths in the US—AT THAT TIME—would have backed him up. The story would have fizzled.

The New York Times had several articles in Feb and even January that mentioned official information, not given to the public, stating the the virus more dangerous than the Trump administration was saying, no one listened. One could say “well, if Woodward had released the tape maybe they would have. It would have corroborated NY Times.”

No, they wouldn’t have. Not with our experts downplaying it. Not with the small number of cases and deaths at that time. I remember what it was like back then. No one would have listened.

[Act_of_Reparation]

7. Donald Trump is not the only person in the United States who does bad things.

Sometimes, Bob Woodward does bad things, too. And while the things Bob Woodward does aren't as bad as the things Donald Trump does, they are still worth talking about because the bad thing Bob Woodward just did encapsulates perfectly the sad state of journalistic ethics in the American news media.

[Montelimar]

10. Bullshit

Bob Woodward is NOT the leader of the free world.

Right wing propaganda in real time.

[Squinch]

13. So you can only do bad things if you are Trump? Because that is essentially what you are saying.

Woodward enabled Trump.

Kind of like DeSantis, and Abbott, and Kemp enabled Trump.

Or do you think they are blameless, too?

[H2O Man]

17. +1

[Montelimar]

20. Analogy fail

Woodward has no effective governmental power, he is not a public health institution, organization, or entity.

THE BLAME LIES SOLELY WITH TRUMP, HIS FOLLOWERS, and HIS ENABLERS.

[Squinch]

28. So a Washington Post reporter doesn't have an ethical mandate to report when he learns

the President is pushing propaganda that will unquestionably result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. Because he's not in politics or public health.

That's a new level of absurd.

[Montelimar]

29. Enabling Trump is absurd

and no, a journalist's job doesn't include public health administration, epidemiology, or "presidenting."

[Squinch]

31. Yes. Enabling Trump is absurd. That's another reason why Woodward shouldn't have done it.

[Montelimar]

32. He didn't

This has really rattled EVERY trump enabler: even the ones on DU.

Rattle rattle rattle.

[Squinch]

34. Are you not able to disagree with me on the import of this without resorting to specious insults?

If not, why not?

[Montelimar]

35. How can I insult you?

If you're a Democrat all in for Biden?

You don't agree this issue HASN'T rattled trump supporters?

They're right here peddling Fox News talking points about this issue.

I didn't say it was YOU.

[Squinch]

36. I guess you can't. Noted.

I think you know there are no Trump enablers on DU, and disagreeing with you does not make someone one.

[Montelimar]

37. Roger that

[progressoid]

24. Nobody is saying Woodward is the leader of the free world.

But is a leader within the 4th estate. He should be held to a high standard.

[Montelimar]

26. He's a has been

seeking relevance in old age.

He is a leader of nothing. Actual journalism that serves the public interest BARELY exists anymore.

This isn't an episode of Lou Grant, it's real life.

[Act_of_Reparation]

39. No one is saying ice cream cures impetigo, either.

It's irrelevant.

Woodward is a journalist. Journalism, like all professions, is governed by ethics. Are you suggesting journalistic ethics is right wing propaganda? I imagine hundreds of journalism professors across the country would be surprised to learn this.

[Montelimar]

40. It's a Fox News talking point

next.

[Act_of_Reparation]

41. I wouldn't know.

I don't watch Fox News.

[progressoid]

25. +1

[smirkymonkey]

9. Thank YOU!

[stillcool]

11. There's some kind of selective memory...

that I'm not getting. I understand using Trumps own words against him, thanks to Woodward....but who in the world did not know Trump was lying all along? Is it really such a revelation? Trump knew enough to thwart the truth every time he could. How much play did he get from Covid? That's what I want to know. When the feds confiscated the PPE from states, where'd it go? Who sold what to who? What was his take from the chloroquine? There's a whole lot that I'd like to see uncovered, but the fact that Trump lies all day, every day has been obvious since he first popped on the scene.

[cwydro]

12. Rec.

[MontanaMama]

14. Kick.

Eyes on the prize people.

[BannonsLiver]

15. It's being pushed mostly by red rose dumb dumbs on Twitter who want Trump to win

[ace3csusm]

18. Its easy now to look back at what a disaster COVID19 has caused

But back in Feb 7 no one knew what was to come, place the blame on those in charge, Trump knew it was bad but decide not to act on info he had...

[Ohioboy]

19. Thank God Woodward got the liar on tape

If Woodward hadn't gotten the asshole's own words recorded they would just claim it was "fake news". Hell, they're still claiming it's not what Trump said, but they've having harder time not making themselves look and sound like idiots.

[Montelimar]

21. They'll claim it is fake news

even when they hear him say the words WITH HIS OWN DISEASED MOUTH.

Then they'll blame anyone else EXCEPT trump.

[Ohioboy]

23. I know what you're saying. There are many in his cult.

But the rest of us, the ones that don't drink Trump's cool- aid, we don't have to doubt what we can hear him say in his own words. It's nice to have the proof.

[Paladin]

33. Forget Woodward for now. Concentrate on trump.

Woodward will get what he deserves, soon enough. Let's drive trump out of office, first.

[SoonerPride]

38. trump being a mass murderer and Woodward also being an accomplice are not mutually exclusive

both can be true

and they are