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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:20 PM Sep 2020

The coming disaster for Trump that no one is talking about

There are so many self inflicted wounds and unforced errors by Trump and his team that it seems like some that are right there, out in the open for everyone to see, still fly under the radar until said disaster comes and goes. With everything going on right now, coronavirus, the shitty economy, social unrest, Trump's campaign running out of money, the disastrous Republican convention, the Woodward tapes, the DHS whistleblower, calling troops losers and suckers, picking public fights with military leaders, it can be easy to forget just how badly Trump's team is fucking up the debates.

We are just a few weeks away from the first presidential debate and the trump teams strategy is barreling headfirst into a total disaster. Trumps plan is almost stunning in its absolute stupidity. I'm sure we have all heard about the debates being Trump's last chance to turn the race around. That's a pretty dubious claim seeing as debates rarely have much of an impact but then again that really is all trump has left. Everyone is hyper aware that Barr is going to try to pull some kind of October surprise or that the white house is going to come out with some miracle coronavirus vaccine. Most Americans are going to likely be very skeptical of any sudden revelations coming from this white house so close to the election.

So the debates are maybe Trump's last flicker of hope to finally close the rather massive gap in the polls and somehow fart out a very, very close victory, even if that is a desperate strategy. However, his plan is already doomed to fail and fail badly.

There is a dumb game that political parties play before debates, which I'm sure most of us are aware of, where they try to lower expectations for their candidate whole raising them for their opponents. In 2004, I remember the democrats talking about how amazing W was at debating whole saying Kerry had issues being too wooden and dry. Same with 2008. Obamas team played up his "inexperience" while talking about McCains mad skills. And the Republicans do the exact same thing. It's pretty obvious but also a smart move. Candidates with super high expectations tend to be seen as the loser of the debate. It happened in 2000 to Gore.

But 2020 is different. Biden and his team are certainly playing the typical game. There was an article today about how nervous Biden is to debate Trump, from Biden's team. But of course President Narcissism would never allow anyone on his team try to downplay his skills, so over the last few months team douchebag has touted Trump as one of the greatest debaters in American history, who will absolutely crush Biden. They say Biden is nearly catatonic from dementia and will likely either not show up for the debates, not be able to get through the entire debate, or more extreme theories, will be replaced as the nominee before the debates.

I don't know about you, but I've seen Trump debate and I have seen Biden debate. In fact I saw Biden debate earlier this year. He did quite well. He's likable, sharp, and really knows his stuff. In 2016, I recall Trump being a loud, rambling psychopath who couldn't stay on topic and seemed to know almost nothing about anything important. His skills at debating are nonexistent and he can't even seem to stand up straight or breathe very well most of the time.

And this is the looming disaster I don't think get enough attention. We all know trump isnt going to turn his campaign around by debating Biden. But now he has the added problem, of his own making, where if he doesn't give one of the greatest debate performances in American history and Biden doesnt collapse on the floor and slips into a coma on live tv, people are going to say Trump lost badly. Instead of being an opportunity to show he is at least minimally competent ( a tall order for Donny Two Strokes) he now has to put in a performance that would put Lincoln or JFK to shame, while Biden just has to show up.

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The coming disaster for Trump that no one is talking about (Original Post) Dr. Jack Sep 2020 OP
If Trump walks behind Biden while he is talking like he did Hillary Biden should turn around and doc03 Sep 2020 #1
+1000 vlyons Sep 2020 #3
+1001. nt iluvtennis Sep 2020 #40
LOL, YEP!!!!! RKP5637 Sep 2020 #8
Trump is a massive coward Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #11
Biden could politely suggest that sitting down would help his bone spurs Rstrstx Sep 2020 #32
No lurking DownriverDem Sep 2020 #36
My view of the proper response remains unchanged. JHB Sep 2020 #48
Or as you unknowingly cast him... mercuryblues Sep 2020 #50
Don't presume "unknowingly" JHB Sep 2020 #53
LOL. Got me mercuryblues Sep 2020 #54
I fully expect Trump to give us yet another butt show. vlyons Sep 2020 #2
The thing I worry about is if Trump can rattle Biden talking doc03 Sep 2020 #5
Trump will probably accuse Biden's other son of corruption in the Ukraine vlyons Sep 2020 #9
I meant Hunter I changed it nt doc03 Sep 2020 #12
The only thing that might rattle Joe is if Trump vomits on him onstage. yardwork Sep 2020 #10
Can't vomit wearing a mask! LOL!!!! flying_wahini Sep 2020 #33
I bet Trump will refuse to wear a mask nt doc03 Sep 2020 #35
Biden has been in national politics for 50 years Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #18
This! Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #27
There is no way that Biden and his team are not expecting that. whopis01 Sep 2020 #22
Well said and thoughtful. Thanks. nt Atticus Sep 2020 #4
The two sides will count different things as wins... jimlup Sep 2020 #6
Trump could walk out on stage completely naked covered in puppy blood Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #19
LOL! flying_wahini Sep 2020 #34
And I should also point out.... Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #7
Biden did fine in his debate with Bernie. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #14
I supported Sanders in the primary but thought Biden did very well Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #17
His debate performance against Sanders was his strongest of the campaign. thesquanderer Sep 2020 #20
I think the M$M will do the opposite Leith Sep 2020 #13
I don't know, I think Trump has threatened the media too much Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #16
I hope when Biden is debating MF45 and MF45 comes near him he says loudly kimbutgar Sep 2020 #15
Or "You coming over here for a fist fight? I'm ready!" KS Toronado Sep 2020 #29
Biden is nervous about it! Richard D Sep 2020 #21
Exactly... Chakaconcarne Sep 2020 #24
Tя☭mp will bloviate, billy and dodge ... Whiskeytide Sep 2020 #23
Trump will make the same mistake he's been making since innauguration day. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #25
Trumpsters afterward: Donald crushed him. keithbvadu2 Sep 2020 #26
And then there's this: Trump Spurns Traditional Debate Prep babylonsister Sep 2020 #28
No surprise there. Debate preparation and mock debates are hard work, for sure. gristy Sep 2020 #46
Debating DGradeDonnie JGug1 Sep 2020 #30
Will there be an audience? nolabear Sep 2020 #31
All Biden has to do is wear a mask and explain that he's modeling good citizen behavior. lindysalsagal Sep 2020 #37
It may spell disaster for Trump, but it will be a high risk attack with venom strategy bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #38
The debates might not be their last hope. Harker Sep 2020 #39
I think you might be significantly overestimating trump Dr. Jack Sep 2020 #42
I meant that he probably thinks he has it sewn up Harker Sep 2020 #49
The projection is coming on strong Tall Poppy Sep 2020 #41
May the mind and speech of 'someone' be confused. Amen. eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2020 #43
Some phrases I would like to hear from Biden during the debates. Delmette2.0 Sep 2020 #44
My take - Trump is a no-show. Joinfortmill Sep 2020 #45
They have been "leaking" that Trump is refusing to prepare for the debates Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #47
Biden should probably show everybody his ears before the debate because I'm sure that trump or his catbyte Sep 2020 #51
Can you link to the article alleging Biden's nervousness? LanternWaste Sep 2020 #52
Just as T tried to intimidate Hillary by stalking here on stage MichaelSoE Sep 2020 #55

doc03

(35,336 posts)
1. If Trump walks behind Biden while he is talking like he did Hillary Biden should turn around and
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:23 PM
Sep 2020

ask him if he needs to go potty.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
11. Trump is a massive coward
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:41 PM
Sep 2020

For all of his tough talk and bluster, the second he is challenged, especially by a white man, he collapses into a pathetic, rambling mess.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
48. My view of the proper response remains unchanged.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:46 PM
Sep 2020

"Donnie, if you're going to stand back there huffing and puffing...

...could you come a little closer? I think there's a wrinkle in my jacket that needs steaming out."



The thing to do is casually brush him off like he's nobody.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. I fully expect Trump to give us yet another butt show.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:30 PM
Sep 2020

All of his public appearances so far have been humiliating butt shows. He will slur & mispronounce his words. Lie like a MFer. Avoid the question. Change the subject. Ramble pointlessly. Remember his speech at the GOP "convention?" It will be worse than that. I just hope that Biden gets his dander up about Trump's disrespect for the military.

doc03

(35,336 posts)
5. The thing I worry about is if Trump can rattle Biden talking
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:35 PM
Sep 2020

about his son Hunter. You know there is no limit to how low Trump will go.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
9. Trump will probably accuse Biden's other son of corruption in the Ukraine
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:39 PM
Sep 2020

Biden will be well-prepared to fend off such accusations.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
10. The only thing that might rattle Joe is if Trump vomits on him onstage.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:40 PM
Sep 2020

And I think Joe would handle that well, too.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
18. Biden has been in national politics for 50 years
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:13 PM
Sep 2020

I think he can handle the attacks. And he has the reputation of being a good father so attacking Biden's children will likely backfire on trump. It will also remind people that Trump got impeached for going after Biden and Hunter.

whopis01

(3,514 posts)
22. There is no way that Biden and his team are not expecting that.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:29 PM
Sep 2020

I get your concern and agree with it. But am confident that he will have a well structured, well rehearsed response to it.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
6. The two sides will count different things as wins...
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:37 PM
Sep 2020

for Trump he will "win" by calling the most names and making the most outrageous claims. Biden, of course, will measure a win by making logical points and emphasizing his fitness for the office of Trump.

For Trump this will not matter. He will attempt to Bully Biden and it will be interesting indeed because Joe is strong enough to have none of it.

I think he'll mop the floor by our standards but the right will think (and they will really think this) that Trump won.

Ultimately, I think you are right. For the American people, who Trump really is will be more than blatantly obvious.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
19. Trump could walk out on stage completely naked covered in puppy blood
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:17 PM
Sep 2020

And refuse to say anything for the entire 90 minutes and Republicans would say he won. It's not about what they say. It's about keeping bidens current coalition in tact and preventing whatever undecided voters that are left from jumping on board with Trump.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
7. And I should also point out....
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:38 PM
Sep 2020

....that mentally Trump seems more out of it than he did in 2016. Not that he was in great shape in 2016 either. But he definitely has some kind of mental decline going on. I saw a video of him giving an interview from 8 years ago last night and he sounded far more intelligent and normal (relatively speaking) than he does now. I think during the debates, we are going to quickly see that the dementia attacks on Biden are projection on the part of Trump and his team. I can say, as a doctor, trump is going downhill fast physically and mentally.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
17. I supported Sanders in the primary but thought Biden did very well
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:59 PM
Sep 2020

I was pretty hostile towards Biden during the primaries, especially later on since I went with Sanders as my candidate, but besides a somewhat rusty performance in the first debate, I grudgingly admitted at the time that Biden did pretty well during the debates. He wasn't the flashiest person on stage but he was very consistent, calm, and gave overall good performances. His one on one with Sanders was, at the time, pretty stressful for me because he did way, way better than I expected. I learned this year to underestimate Biden at your own risk.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
20. His debate performance against Sanders was his strongest of the campaign.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:21 PM
Sep 2020

If it weren't for that, I might be more concerned about seeing him go up against Trump, because I had not been impressed with his earlier debate performances in this campaign.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
13. I think the M$M will do the opposite
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:44 PM
Sep 2020

Nobody thinks that chumpy will give any kind of spectacular performance. At the very best, it will be his usual stream-of-unconscious bullshit. Biden will be well prepared - informed, cordial, full sentences that actually make good sense and policy.

Then the pundits will come along and pronounce that IQ45 did amazingly well and Biden wasn't up to snuff.

Bookmark this and tell me I'm wrong after the first debate. I would really love to be wrong.

I'm hoping that the orange brat gives us a real life reenactment of Dave's "escape" in the movie Dave.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
16. I don't know, I think Trump has threatened the media too much
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:52 PM
Sep 2020

Most didn't give him high marks for his coronavirus press conferences, his 2020 Klan rallies or his RNC speech. I think he has burned too many bridges with the media for them to decide to throw him a lifeline by pretending he did well in the debates

kimbutgar

(21,147 posts)
15. I hope when Biden is debating MF45 and MF45 comes near him he says loudly
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:50 PM
Sep 2020

Please maintain social distancing! 6 feet man!

Richard D

(8,754 posts)
21. Biden is nervous about it!
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:29 PM
Sep 2020

Hmmmm . . . Just what I would say to make the douche more confident in his stupidity.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
23. Tя☭mp will bloviate, billy and dodge ...
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:32 PM
Sep 2020

... the substance of the questions. His cultists will say he won. Anyone who actually knows the issues and understands what a debate is will say Biden won. The media will say whatever they feel will draw in viewers and readers. That is all you need to know.

Mr.Bill

(24,287 posts)
25. Trump will make the same mistake he's been making since innauguration day.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:37 PM
Sep 2020

He will only attempt to appeal to the hardest core of his base, which is under 30% of the electorate. That is his comfort zone. He is incapable of appealing to anyone else. I don't know how many people Biden will win over to his side in the debates, but that number for Trump will be zero.

keithbvadu2

(36,800 posts)
26. Trumpsters afterward: Donald crushed him.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:37 PM
Sep 2020

Trumpsters afterward: Donald crushed him.

Details not necessary.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
28. And then there's this: Trump Spurns Traditional Debate Prep
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:40 PM
Sep 2020
https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/09/trump-spurns-traditional-debate-prep/

Trump Spurns Traditional Debate Prep
September 9, 2020 at 10:00 am EDT By Taegan Goddard


“President Trump has not held a single mock debate session, and has no plans to stage a formal practice round, as he readies for his first faceoff with Joe Biden in less than three weeks,” NBC News reports.

“The president has dismissed the typical debate preparations he participated in four years ago, joking to aides and allies that he’s been preparing for debates since he was born. His ability to fire back at an opponent in real time, he’s argued, ‘isn’t something you have to practice.'”

gristy

(10,667 posts)
46. No surprise there. Debate preparation and mock debates are hard work, for sure.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:23 PM
Sep 2020

No way he has the discipline to do it. Besides, Putin promised him he's got it in the bag for him, so what's the point?

JGug1

(320 posts)
30. Debating DGradeDonnie
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:46 PM
Sep 2020

Because Trump is predictability unpredictable, the idea of debating him is and should be scary. I hope the Dems have someone with a loosely attached tope that blows in the wind, who is also harsh and nasty for Joe Biden to practice against.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
31. Will there be an audience?
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:47 PM
Sep 2020

If Spanky can’t play to a crowd he’s going to have a much harder time.

Joe needs to give it all he’s got, starting yesterday. I’d look at that monster with utter contempt and coolly do everything I could to piss him off. That, combined with facts and details of what he’s done and what he intends to do can do him a world of good.

lindysalsagal

(20,683 posts)
37. All Biden has to do is wear a mask and explain that he's modeling good citizen behavior.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:58 PM
Sep 2020

It will send spanky into a rage.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
38. It may spell disaster for Trump, but it will be a high risk attack with venom strategy
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:05 PM
Sep 2020

Trump will invent scandals, blame Biden for COVID and the economy, drag in both Biden's sons in some Chinese-Delaware-Ukraine triangle, rail against Kamala and probably mispronounce her name as something like "Koo-mullah", and I'd be surprised if a new birtherism isn't launched against her. In short everything slick, fast, hip, feel-good-sound-good - to Trump.

There will be fireworks I'm sure. Don't forget Biden is an experienced debater too - Palin and Paul Ryan. Hopefully Biden won't take the bait with subtle humor and instead stick to a sombre tone consistent with the COVID era.

I think we'll get a barely fair shake from Chris Wallace, down the middle except for one soft ball to Trump. But, you have to ask, would Trump recognize it?

Harker

(14,018 posts)
49. I meant that he probably thinks he has it sewn up
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:07 PM
Sep 2020

because of some brilliant last moment doozy he'll spring.

He's continually managed to live down to my expectorations.

Tall Poppy

(26 posts)
41. The projection is coming on strong
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:09 PM
Sep 2020

Now he again accused Biden of taking performance enhancing drugs. (During an interview today with Judge Jeannine)

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
44. Some phrases I would like to hear from Biden during the debates.
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sep 2020

Let's stay with the issues.

My opponent didn't answer the question, so I will.

Again, my opponent didn't answer the question.

Please, no more distractions, stay with the issue at hand.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
47. They have been "leaking" that Trump is refusing to prepare for the debates
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 05:39 PM
Sep 2020

And Trump has been claiming Biden has been taking (mental) performance enhancing drugs.

That’s how they are lowering expectations...

catbyte

(34,384 posts)
51. Biden should probably show everybody his ears before the debate because I'm sure that trump or his
Fri Sep 11, 2020, 06:13 PM
Sep 2020

toadies will claim that he had an earpiece and somebody was feeding him the answers. I'm so bummed thinking they might actually do that. But they will, I just know it.

MichaelSoE

(1,576 posts)
55. Just as T tried to intimidate Hillary by stalking here on stage
Sat Sep 12, 2020, 05:32 AM
Sep 2020

Joe needs to hit him where he is most vulnerable ... his lack of self confidence.

Laugh at him

Make little mocking pouting faces at him

Try to get him to explode and throw a temper tantrum

Laugh at him some more

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