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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe coming disaster for Trump that no one is talking about
There are so many self inflicted wounds and unforced errors by Trump and his team that it seems like some that are right there, out in the open for everyone to see, still fly under the radar until said disaster comes and goes. With everything going on right now, coronavirus, the shitty economy, social unrest, Trump's campaign running out of money, the disastrous Republican convention, the Woodward tapes, the DHS whistleblower, calling troops losers and suckers, picking public fights with military leaders, it can be easy to forget just how badly Trump's team is fucking up the debates.
We are just a few weeks away from the first presidential debate and the trump teams strategy is barreling headfirst into a total disaster. Trumps plan is almost stunning in its absolute stupidity. I'm sure we have all heard about the debates being Trump's last chance to turn the race around. That's a pretty dubious claim seeing as debates rarely have much of an impact but then again that really is all trump has left. Everyone is hyper aware that Barr is going to try to pull some kind of October surprise or that the white house is going to come out with some miracle coronavirus vaccine. Most Americans are going to likely be very skeptical of any sudden revelations coming from this white house so close to the election.
So the debates are maybe Trump's last flicker of hope to finally close the rather massive gap in the polls and somehow fart out a very, very close victory, even if that is a desperate strategy. However, his plan is already doomed to fail and fail badly.
There is a dumb game that political parties play before debates, which I'm sure most of us are aware of, where they try to lower expectations for their candidate whole raising them for their opponents. In 2004, I remember the democrats talking about how amazing W was at debating whole saying Kerry had issues being too wooden and dry. Same with 2008. Obamas team played up his "inexperience" while talking about McCains mad skills. And the Republicans do the exact same thing. It's pretty obvious but also a smart move. Candidates with super high expectations tend to be seen as the loser of the debate. It happened in 2000 to Gore.
But 2020 is different. Biden and his team are certainly playing the typical game. There was an article today about how nervous Biden is to debate Trump, from Biden's team. But of course President Narcissism would never allow anyone on his team try to downplay his skills, so over the last few months team douchebag has touted Trump as one of the greatest debaters in American history, who will absolutely crush Biden. They say Biden is nearly catatonic from dementia and will likely either not show up for the debates, not be able to get through the entire debate, or more extreme theories, will be replaced as the nominee before the debates.
I don't know about you, but I've seen Trump debate and I have seen Biden debate. In fact I saw Biden debate earlier this year. He did quite well. He's likable, sharp, and really knows his stuff. In 2016, I recall Trump being a loud, rambling psychopath who couldn't stay on topic and seemed to know almost nothing about anything important. His skills at debating are nonexistent and he can't even seem to stand up straight or breathe very well most of the time.
And this is the looming disaster I don't think get enough attention. We all know trump isnt going to turn his campaign around by debating Biden. But now he has the added problem, of his own making, where if he doesn't give one of the greatest debate performances in American history and Biden doesnt collapse on the floor and slips into a coma on live tv, people are going to say Trump lost badly. Instead of being an opportunity to show he is at least minimally competent ( a tall order for Donny Two Strokes) he now has to put in a performance that would put Lincoln or JFK to shame, while Biden just has to show up.
doc03
(35,336 posts)ask him if he needs to go potty.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)For all of his tough talk and bluster, the second he is challenged, especially by a white man, he collapses into a pathetic, rambling mess.
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)allowed.
JHB
(37,160 posts)"Donnie, if you're going to stand back there huffing and puffing...
...could you come a little closer? I think there's a wrinkle in my jacket that needs steaming out."
The thing to do is casually brush him off like he's nobody.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)as a servant.
JHB
(37,160 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)All of his public appearances so far have been humiliating butt shows. He will slur & mispronounce his words. Lie like a MFer. Avoid the question. Change the subject. Ramble pointlessly. Remember his speech at the GOP "convention?" It will be worse than that. I just hope that Biden gets his dander up about Trump's disrespect for the military.
doc03
(35,336 posts)about his son Hunter. You know there is no limit to how low Trump will go.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Biden will be well-prepared to fend off such accusations.
doc03
(35,336 posts)yardwork
(61,608 posts)And I think Joe would handle that well, too.
flying_wahini
(6,594 posts)doc03
(35,336 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)I think he can handle the attacks. And he has the reputation of being a good father so attacking Biden's children will likely backfire on trump. It will also remind people that Trump got impeached for going after Biden and Hunter.
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)whopis01
(3,514 posts)I get your concern and agree with it. But am confident that he will have a well structured, well rehearsed response to it.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)for Trump he will "win" by calling the most names and making the most outrageous claims. Biden, of course, will measure a win by making logical points and emphasizing his fitness for the office of Trump.
For Trump this will not matter. He will attempt to Bully Biden and it will be interesting indeed because Joe is strong enough to have none of it.
I think he'll mop the floor by our standards but the right will think (and they will really think this) that Trump won.
Ultimately, I think you are right. For the American people, who Trump really is will be more than blatantly obvious.
Dr. Jack
(675 posts)And refuse to say anything for the entire 90 minutes and Republicans would say he won. It's not about what they say. It's about keeping bidens current coalition in tact and preventing whatever undecided voters that are left from jumping on board with Trump.
flying_wahini
(6,594 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)....that mentally Trump seems more out of it than he did in 2016. Not that he was in great shape in 2016 either. But he definitely has some kind of mental decline going on. I saw a video of him giving an interview from 8 years ago last night and he sounded far more intelligent and normal (relatively speaking) than he does now. I think during the debates, we are going to quickly see that the dementia attacks on Biden are projection on the part of Trump and his team. I can say, as a doctor, trump is going downhill fast physically and mentally.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Dr. Jack
(675 posts)I was pretty hostile towards Biden during the primaries, especially later on since I went with Sanders as my candidate, but besides a somewhat rusty performance in the first debate, I grudgingly admitted at the time that Biden did pretty well during the debates. He wasn't the flashiest person on stage but he was very consistent, calm, and gave overall good performances. His one on one with Sanders was, at the time, pretty stressful for me because he did way, way better than I expected. I learned this year to underestimate Biden at your own risk.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)If it weren't for that, I might be more concerned about seeing him go up against Trump, because I had not been impressed with his earlier debate performances in this campaign.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Nobody thinks that chumpy will give any kind of spectacular performance. At the very best, it will be his usual stream-of-unconscious bullshit. Biden will be well prepared - informed, cordial, full sentences that actually make good sense and policy.
Then the pundits will come along and pronounce that IQ45 did amazingly well and Biden wasn't up to snuff.
Bookmark this and tell me I'm wrong after the first debate. I would really love to be wrong.
I'm hoping that the orange brat gives us a real life reenactment of Dave's "escape" in the movie Dave.
Dr. Jack
(675 posts)Most didn't give him high marks for his coronavirus press conferences, his 2020 Klan rallies or his RNC speech. I think he has burned too many bridges with the media for them to decide to throw him a lifeline by pretending he did well in the debates
kimbutgar
(21,147 posts)Please maintain social distancing! 6 feet man!
KS Toronado
(17,235 posts)Richard D
(8,754 posts)Hmmmm . . . Just what I would say to make the douche more confident in his stupidity.
Chakaconcarne
(2,451 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... the substance of the questions. His cultists will say he won. Anyone who actually knows the issues and understands what a debate is will say Biden won. The media will say whatever they feel will draw in viewers and readers. That is all you need to know.
Mr.Bill
(24,287 posts)He will only attempt to appeal to the hardest core of his base, which is under 30% of the electorate. That is his comfort zone. He is incapable of appealing to anyone else. I don't know how many people Biden will win over to his side in the debates, but that number for Trump will be zero.
keithbvadu2
(36,800 posts)Trumpsters afterward: Donald crushed him.
Details not necessary.
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)Trump Spurns Traditional Debate Prep
September 9, 2020 at 10:00 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
President Trump has not held a single mock debate session, and has no plans to stage a formal practice round, as he readies for his first faceoff with Joe Biden in less than three weeks, NBC News reports.
The president has dismissed the typical debate preparations he participated in four years ago, joking to aides and allies that hes been preparing for debates since he was born. His ability to fire back at an opponent in real time, hes argued, isnt something you have to practice.'
gristy
(10,667 posts)No way he has the discipline to do it. Besides, Putin promised him he's got it in the bag for him, so what's the point?
JGug1
(320 posts)Because Trump is predictability unpredictable, the idea of debating him is and should be scary. I hope the Dems have someone with a loosely attached tope that blows in the wind, who is also harsh and nasty for Joe Biden to practice against.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)If Spanky cant play to a crowd hes going to have a much harder time.
Joe needs to give it all hes got, starting yesterday. Id look at that monster with utter contempt and coolly do everything I could to piss him off. That, combined with facts and details of what hes done and what he intends to do can do him a world of good.
lindysalsagal
(20,683 posts)It will send spanky into a rage.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Trump will invent scandals, blame Biden for COVID and the economy, drag in both Biden's sons in some Chinese-Delaware-Ukraine triangle, rail against Kamala and probably mispronounce her name as something like "Koo-mullah", and I'd be surprised if a new birtherism isn't launched against her. In short everything slick, fast, hip, feel-good-sound-good - to Trump.
There will be fireworks I'm sure. Don't forget Biden is an experienced debater too - Palin and Paul Ryan. Hopefully Biden won't take the bait with subtle humor and instead stick to a sombre tone consistent with the COVID era.
I think we'll get a barely fair shake from Chris Wallace, down the middle except for one soft ball to Trump. But, you have to ask, would Trump recognize it?
Harker
(14,018 posts)Bunkerboy might have some sort of a wonder weapon.
Dr. Jack
(675 posts)Harker
(14,018 posts)because of some brilliant last moment doozy he'll spring.
He's continually managed to live down to my expectorations.
Tall Poppy
(26 posts)Now he again accused Biden of taking performance enhancing drugs. (During an interview today with Judge Jeannine)
sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,165 posts)Let's stay with the issues.
My opponent didn't answer the question, so I will.
Again, my opponent didn't answer the question.
Please, no more distractions, stay with the issue at hand.
Joinfortmill
(14,419 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)And Trump has been claiming Biden has been taking (mental) performance enhancing drugs.
Thats how they are lowering expectations...
catbyte
(34,384 posts)toadies will claim that he had an earpiece and somebody was feeding him the answers. I'm so bummed thinking they might actually do that. But they will, I just know it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)MichaelSoE
(1,576 posts)Joe needs to hit him where he is most vulnerable ... his lack of self confidence.
Laugh at him
Make little mocking pouting faces at him
Try to get him to explode and throw a temper tantrum
Laugh at him some more