Be prepared for the nightmare. . .

[pat_k]

Link to tweet

[SlogginThroughIt]

1. I wonder just how many people are mailing in.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

7. It's about a 2-to-1 ratio for Democrats in my precinct.

And I'm in a very purple county, but my precinct is more red.

The exit polls will likely be a point of contention among Trumpers on election night, but fuck those simple-minded idiots. I hope the MSM is smart enough to factor absentee ballots into the data.

[pat_k]

34. Sort of good news

Found this site, which describes which states can start counting mail in / absentee before the election.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx

On a quick scan, looks like 9 start counting before election.

A few others can start counting before at the discretion of voter registrar or SOS.

Unfortunately, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, Minnesota, Michigan, New Hampshire don't start count until election day, mail/dropbox totals for them may lag.

[Cha]

42. That's All Hawaii Does is Mail in Ballots or in the Drop Box

Course Hawaii doesn't have many electoral votes & we're Always BLUE.

[SlogginThroughIt]

44. Right but I mean in states that don't normally

[Cha]

46. I worded that wrong.. I meant to convey that

Mail in Ballots are all Hawaii is doing Now Since the COVID Pandemic entered the Island.

We're taking no chances & haven't had any new cases on Kauai for a long time. And, no Deaths whatsoever, Thankfully!

[SlogginThroughIt]

47. Oh how I want to go back to Kauai so badly

Good to hear you guys are doing it right!

[Cha]

48. I can see why! I feel safe here in the midst of

wearing masks & social distancing as much as possible.

I take it you had a good visit when you were here before?

[BannonsLiver]

2. Meh

Nothing that hasn’t been speculated about in the past.

[SoonerPride]

3. I am willing to bet this doesn't happen

trump will claim victory no matter what, but the press will call it for Biden.

and pretty early on election night.

[Walleye]

6. Joe wins Florida and it's all over. We can't trust their governor though

[Cha]

43. We can only trust de santis to be a SHITHOLE.

I read his numbers are low bc of the trump way he's handled COVID.

[Walleye]

49. The man is evil

[Cha]

51. yeah, it's really sad that Florida elected

another Evil gov.

I hope de santis goes down some day where he belongs.

I have loved ones in Gainesville & St Pete.

[Walleye]

52. We have to hope that things get better.

[msongs]

4. mail in ballots are the last resort if drop off options are available nt

[Walleye]

5. Does nobody remember the election of 2000?

Over a month to determine the winner. We managed OK. I think we could take a few days to count votes this time. We just can’t let them get away with it. I think Joe is preparing for this eventuality

[pat_k]

8. Managed OK? Theft by SCOTUS?

I hope things "work out," but I fear we are in for a rough ride this November.

[Walleye]

9. Good point. I just meant we survived as a nation

[pat_k]

23. True. And I guess. . .

. . . the nation is "surviving" the orange nightmare, but the destruction he has already wrought will take many years to repair. I shudder to think what the nation would look like after a second term Tragically, if they, once again, steal the election by voter suppression and tossing out legitimate votes, we'll be finding out.

[bullimiami]

13. Yes Theft. Which allowed 9/11 and the war that followed.

Arrogant criminal incompetents surrounded Bush.

Republicans have been failing their way to the top for decades.

[Celerity]

10. in 2000 there was no madman Trump, and no social media, with millions of hyper radicalised RWNJ's

chomping at the bit to 'pwn the libs', pwn with lead if they see the opportunity and are whipped up into that level of insanity at the drop of a few tweets and FB 'It's go time' posts

[Walleye]

11. Well Joe is ahead by nine points now. That's a landslide

Maybe they won’t be able to cheat so well this time. Hope springs eternal

[lastlib]

16. Not a big enough "landslide".....

I want that POS SOB buried in an avalanche for the ages. And his party with him.

[pat_k]

28. Not in key states

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/ (use drop-down to select any state).

If only 22% of Biden voters vote in person and 66% of Trump voter vote in person, the differential in election day totals will swamp the few points Biden is ahead in key states.

Any avalanche will take days to become apparent. (And don't forget how effectively so many states have been -- and will be -- in suppressing / tossing out votes from "certain areas.&quot

Yes. The reality may be a landslide. But we have not seen actual totals from a truly free and fair election presidential election in more than 20 years. A Biden win is far from a "done deal."

[Celerity]

19. in a fair election, when all the votes are counted, Biden would win in a landslide, but there are

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huge obstacles to that this go round. As the OP posits, Rump may quite likely have large leads based off same day voting, and he surely try to claim victory and throw a million spanners into the works to stop and hinder a full count, as well as incite mass violence. Plus you have the USPS slow downs and tens of thousands of Rump goon poll watchers who will try to claim massive amounts of mail-in ballots are invalid and need to be tossed when they are started to be counted. I fully expect ballot drop boxes in blue areas to be attacked and attempted to be destroyed as well by the legions of organised MAGAt thugs. All that comes on top of the already in-place for decades Republic systemic voter suppression schemes (voter roll purging, caging, intimidation, etc.) and then the already in-place gerrymandering (which affects the House and state assemblies voting.)

[pat_k]

29. +1

[pat_k]

24. Remember the Brooks Brothers riot in 2000?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot

In the current climate, staged riots at voting counting centers are highly probable.

[csziggy]

21. I guess you don't remember that the recount was shut down by the Supreme Court

Before it could be finished (Bush v. Gore). Before that, the Brooks Brother Riot stopped Palm Beach County (the home of the infamou Butterfly Ballot) recount by intimidating the election judges. The once the ballots were eventually counted by various sources, it was determined that Al Gore may have actually won - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore#Recount_by_media_organizations.

The effects of that decision still linger with us today - many consider that US elections have been irretrievably damaged by that ruling.

The response to it by many places was to go to digital voting machines that cannot be audited so there is no possibility of a recount debacles as in 2000. Instead, voting machines have become much less secure and unreliable according to many experts.

[bluestarone]

27. I do remember this AND

Where are we at, once the SC makes ANOTHER fucked-up ruling? THIS is some scary shit. RUMP ( and putin) own the fucking AG. post office, the senate, and most churches. Maybe gonna come down to what that fucking Roberts will do this time?

[csziggy]

32. Yeah, while the nation survived that, I am not sure about this year

If the election is messed up and Dolt45 refuses to concede even if the count shows he lost, we may be headed towards the beginning of a civil war. His people will not accept him losing and our side cannot afford to let the fascist right stay in power.

2000 pissed me off but did not scare me. This year scares me. I am too old to take up arms, but I will support efforts at resistance.

[bluestarone]

35. You're right on the money. (this year being different)

I WILL NOT except RUMP winning. (IF we have proof they cheated) Again i agree with you that i will SUPPORT efforts of resistance as well!!! We ALL might meet some day!

[Sogo]

12. Most states process mail-in votes before election day, and others are coming onboard:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214070522


But if we take Florida, it's all over....

[SharonClark]

17. Counted on Election Day in Iowa, wish it was before.

All absentee ballots that are received on time are considered for counting. Absentee ballots received by Election Day are counted on Election Day. Ballots received after Election Day but before the deadline are counted when the absentee and special voters' precinct board meets as long as they are postmarked the day before Election Day or earlier.

[LisaL]

22. In Oh they start counting absentee ballots several weeks before the election.

NT

[Dagstead Bumwood]

37. Was not aware that was the case.

Given they won't start mailing them out until October 6, I just figured that they'd drag their dam feet on the count, too. So, that's promising at least as far as our state goes.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. Same In IL and CA

Not sure how many other states do that, but I am sure they're not the only 2. And those 2 are literally 1/6th of the whole electorate.

[Thekaspervote]

39. This is another attempt by the media to do nothing more than stir the pot! The red mirage is

Nothing more than a mirage.

The states where the election will be decided will have their ballots counted by election night!

Link to tweet

?s=21

[Cha]

45. Rt.. good to Know, Kasper.. TY. It's still going to be

shit all scary.

[LisaL]

14. This idea has been posted numerous times and

it makes no sense, considering majority of states start counting absentee before the election.

[Awsi Dooger]

15. Biden needs to emphasize this situational aspect during the first debate

To help the public grasp the new normalcy given a pandemic

Also, Biden really needs to mention voter suppression. It is disgraceful that voter fraud receives so much attention while nobody says anything about suppression. I take YouGov political surveys. Today's must have had 10 questions relating to voter fraud and whether I trusted mail ballots, yet not one question related to suppression.

[LisaL]

20. There is no situation.

Most states start counting absentee ballots before the election. If people mail their ballots early, there will be no situation.

[pat_k]

31. Should be a top priority

Yes. Democrats in general need to make it a top priority. Unfortunately, too many at the Federal level view it as a state-level thing and aren't hammering the issue as they should.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2582936

[Progressive dog]

18. I intend to vote by mail

as most Democrats will this year.
There will be very few who will support Trump when he loses, no matter how long it takes to count legal ballots. Trump will just make up any pretext to stay in office, no matter when his loss becomes official. That won't change no matter how fast ballots are counted.
For many, it will be the beginning of the end of a four year nightmare when the vote counts show his loss. Trump won't get to count the votes in his head and declare victory as he counted the attendees of his inauguration.

[Bettie]

25. In most places the ballots are counted before

and tabulated on election day.

I know here in Iowa, they feed them into the machines (we have optical scan) before election day and then hit the "tabulate" button on election day.

I recently saw a map and there are only a few states that don't count before election day. Sorry, don't have it at hand right now.

[The Genealogist]

26. Unless Trump wins all 50 states by a 20 vote margin in each, he will piss and moan

We all might as well be ready for it, and for shenanigans from his deplorables.

[budkin]

30. I don't think the so-called "Red Mirage" is going to happen n/t

[Midnight Writer]

33. Masks should be mandatory at polling places. That would kill the Trump vote.

[eShirl]

36. He won't care; they've already voted at that point

[eleny]

40. This week I heard that Florida counts mail ins as they arrive

So it's early counting, counting on election day. I don't know if they count the ones postmarked election day but arrive later.

[pat_k]

41. You're right. I found a table that lists rules for each state.

National Conference of State Legislators
VOPP Table 16: When Absentee/Mail Ballot Processing and Counting Can Begin

On a quick scan, looks like 9 can definitely start counting before election.

A few others can start counting before at the discretion of voter registrar or SOS. The rules described for some others seem a bit ambiguous.

Unfortunately, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, Minnesota, Michigan, New Hampshire don't start counting until election day, mail/dropbox totals for them may lag. (Perhaps they'll have an incentive to change the rules since so many more people will be voting by mail.)

[eleny]

53. Some good news there

I know that Florida polling is getting tight. But if Biden wins Florida and they report by 11 P.M. eastern time, it's a terrific sign of how things will eventually wind up. Hard for Trump to spin. Talk to the hand, Donnie.

I think Colorado, where I live, might count ballots as they're received. Mountain time zone. But still.

[Drunken Irishman]

50. This tweet is just not factual.