Democrats shouldn't even fight this

[Proud liberal 80]

Seriously, let Trump and the Republicans fill the seat before the election (because it’s going to happen after the election regardless if he wins or loses)..which will make the right wingers happy and possibly some of them may find that there is no need to vote, while Democrats will be mad and vote in droves....then next year just expand the court

[Shrike47]

1. No, absolutely not. They should throw McConnell's words in his face over and over and fight.

Our passivity never helps.

[SharonClark]

13. K&R

[Demsrule86]

20. I am all in for a fight...of GOP types when we have a chance to win. But we don't in this case.

And going to the mat on this could cause us to lose the election...how many more appointments would they get? Breyer is 80. Stay the course in the campaign. and when Biden wins we deal with this situation.

[Statistical]

2. Mitch is too smart for that he won't have the confirmation before the election.

He will wait till right after the election.

So Democrats should be mad an energized regardless.

[demmiblue]

7. Trump wants a confirmation before the election.

If, dog forbid, there is a Bush v. Gore situation, he's got a 5-4 advantage.

[ego_nation]

21. He already has 5 votes, unless you think Roberts

wouldn’t be included (which I suppose could be a possibility).

[demmiblue]

22. Yes, I was being charitable... lol!

I do think it could be a small possibility.

[sfstaxprep]

3. I'm Sure It Would All Go Just That Smoothly

Meanwhile the repubs have someone on the Court for the next 40 years.

But we'll keep our powder dry, and get them later.

[Demsrule86]

25. We can't stop them...why energize the GOP base and change the subject from Trump's

dismal performance on Covid, the pandemic, health care...and all the the other shit.

[dem4decades]

4. Fight it, it's a fight worth having. Even if you know it's not one you will win.

Who wants to belong to a party that doesn't fight for it's people?

[Demsrule86]

26. Fight smart....and elect Biden.

[Jersey Devil]

5. Rage, rage against the dying of the light

It would be a disgrace against RGB's name to just give up.

[struggle4progress]

9. +

[roamer65]

6. Fight.

People want to see the Dems fight.

[Demsrule86]

27. We could lose this election if we make the courts the center of the election.

[roamer65]

30. We fight to keep a Dump nominee from being seated on the SC.

That’s the battle that will win us the election.

[Demsrule86]

36. If there was a chance that we could stop the seating of such an individual, I would agree with

you, but we can't. And the last thing we want to do is energize GOP types who may vote for Trump because of the courts. We need to make it difficult for them to put some asshat GOP fake justice through...do what we can. But we need to make this election about Trump's failures and not the courts.

[solara]

8. Interesting idea

Meanwhile we would lose Roe v. Wade. We would also lose the ACA in the face of trump's "new plan" of "Herd Immunity" Could be that more than 4 million would die, especially without health insurance.

Not sure if sitting it all out is the best idea at this time

[Drunken Irishman]

34. We aren't going to win this battle.

So, everything you say is irrelevant tbh because it's going to happen regardless.

There's only a few scenarios here and none - absolute none - end with the GOP not filling that seat:

1. They don't confirm until after the election, Biden wins and, in the lame duck period, they push through a nomination.

2. They confirm before the election, Biden wins but that judge now sits on the court.

3. Those scenarios but Biden loses.

At this point, it's over. Anyone who thinks this seat can be saved is crazy delusional. So, the next thing wev have to figure out is which scenario benefits the 2020 election.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. Don't withhold protest or resistance, but filling RBG's seat now will guarantee a Dem Senate

And then Congress can expand the court to 15, and Biden can appoint 6 young, new RBG’s.

[Mike 03]

11. Democrats will be mad, all right. They'll be mad that we laid down and died.

How is this plan of basically giving up going to inspire Dems to vote? Many of us already don't feel we fight hard enough. So our strategy is not to fight? IMO paralysis is contagious. If we see our leaders not do anything I think it could cause despair.

Isn't this also disrespectful to RBG's legacy?

[Demsrule86]

28. Being strategic is not giving up...you ideas would surely lead to a loss for Biden.

[OhioBlue]

37. Exactly. How many battles should we cede before we realize we lost the fu&&ing war?

[Raven123]

12. There is little Dems can do to stop a nomination, but not opposing it is a failure in itself

We need to grab the narrative and pound it: GOP is hypocritical and wedded to power rather than justice. Not opposing a nomination equals acquiescence if not agreement in the mind of many. Active opposition helps the GOTV effort and may help regain the Senate and support for the reform needed.

[chriscan64]

16. This is the best available approach.

Trump filling the seat is all but inevitable. That does not mean we have to accept the unacceptable. Make it crystal clear that we oppose the process and the installation of a justice before the inauguration. Use the hearings to do exactly what you say, pound the narrative and point out the hypocrisy. Make McConnell attempt to explain how it is not hypocrisy to block a justice in one election year but not another. If the rule is the party in power can do whatever the hell they want, make him say that and ask why he didn't just say that in 2016. Expose the fallacy of his new argument that the 2018 Senate elections were the voice of the people which is crap because only 1/3 of the Senate was on the ballot. Citizens of entire states had no say in which party held the majority.

It is unfair that the only option is to scream bloody murder about the unfairness of it all, but silence is worse.

[Buckeyeblue]

14. You have to fight it. Just based on the Garland Precedent.

Stacking the court is a last resort maneuver. If we can preserve this pick, maybe we stay with the status quo. Otherwise, we do what we have to do to secure human rights.

And on November 4th, we should start introducing constitutional amendments. Women's reproductive rights should be an Amendment. Racial justice should be an amendment. Marriage equality should be an amendment. And voting rights should be an Amendment.

[roamer65]

31. And we will win tons of sympathy from the voters if we fight on just that idea.

[Bradshaw3]

15. Ridiculous idea

First of all, they have a good chance to stop it for many reasons. Secondly, not fighting could just as easily demoralize Democrats because many people feel they haven't fought hard enough in the past. In contrast this will energize Dems of all stripes that will carry through to the election.

Plus, expanding the court, especially up to 15, will not be as easy as some seem to think. And do we know Biden would do that?

To those who think there is little way Dems can stop it should read many of the articles going around today that make very rational arguments why they can win this fight. But some seem to want to give up before the fight begins. That's a surefire way to lose.

[SMC22307]

17. LOL, another Dems shouldn't fight thread.

Original.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. I rather imagine you speak for yourself

We should, by no means, make their job easy, especially with the maneuver they pulled with Garland. Give up if you will. But I suspect that there is little support for that position.

[Hoyt]

19. Not sure how we fight it, other than make sure we win big in November.

Vote and contribute because putting Biden in office, solidifying House, and maybe taking Senate is our best strategy right now. A huge victory might just convince a few Republicans to vote against approval.

I'm certain, jumping up and down, stomping our feet, etc., is not a good look right now.

[joshcryer]

23. That's not how it works. Democrats not doing anything will be used to depress the vote.

Democrats doing something, also, is used to depress the vote, but that can't be helped.

It's a lose lose.

If Democrats do nothing, then there will be Russian influencing / trolls / entitled leftists claiming Democrats didn't do anything and that voting Green or not voting at all is the correct moral decision.

If Democrats do something, they will fail, of course, because they don't have the votes (and all that matters at this level is the votes), and the same sources will say that the Democrats aren't worth voting for and you may as well give up.

The vote gets depressed either way.

[Demsrule86]

32. If Democrats don't turn out than there is truly no hope ...this "Democrats get depressed if we

don't choose to commit political suicide and risk the election is foolish"...vote Democratic no matter what as if your life depends on it because it does. We won't stop them from getting a justice but we can win the election and then have a shot to save the ACA, millions of lives, Medicare, Medicaid...the list goes on.

[ooky]

24. Unfortunately, the suddenly raised visibility of this issue alone will cause more of their cretins

to go vote for President Bonespurs. So, that will happen anyway, whether we fight it or not. But we should fight, and it's also an opportunity if we do fight it, to put huge pressure on un-principled Republicans like Graham and others in close Senate races who will now have to defend their blatant hypocrisy.

[MineralMan]

29. Wrong! We should fight it, but continue campaigning

against Republicans based on that fight. Now is not the time to let up on Republican malfeasance. Not in any way.

Now is exactly the time to fight this, and fight it hard.

[gulliver]

33. We should fight it, and also hope for the backfire effect you're talking about.

We have to fight it, because it's right to do so. If Republicans push through a nomination and, thereby, remove one of the reasons for Republican voters to vote, that's fine. It's a factor in McConnell's and Trump's thinking I'm sure.

[MoonlitKnight]

35. We fight

Pound home that Trump is trying to get rid of ACA and protecting pre existing conditions coverage. Also the impact on civil rights. Those are winning issues. Full effort should be on delaying until after the election.

We can deal with the lame duck session attempt to confirm when we get there if we are successful in stalling and win the election. There are a lot of things we can do.

If we have to do those things pre election it may hurt us in the election- or could help by showing we have a spine. But preferred route is delay for now.

How do we delay? Call Senators, peaceful protest, make solid arguments that impact polling, trade stimulus and budget CR due Oct 1, threaten to block unanimous consent on everything in Senate. And volunteer and donate to Senate candidates.

I also think Biden should visit South Carolina, Montana and Alaska to deliver the message about ACA and boost those Senate candidates. Those might just yield some electoral votes because he showed up. And it would make the Trump campaign freak out.