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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHoly shit. Master race eugenics rhetoric here. This was how the Holocaust was started. Don't ignore.
"You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn't it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we're so different? You have good genes in Minnesota." -- Trump
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)Is it because theyre overwhelmingly white?
-Laelth
no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Minnesota
It's just what a Nazi eugenicist would favour. Stephen Miller writes Trump's words.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)except for the Natives on the rez just a few miles away, but I doubt very much that any of them showed at the rally. And Beltrami County Minnesotans are not only white, but mainly German and Scandinavian. "Master race" folks, right? The kind of non-shithole-country people he'd prefer as immigrants even though he doesn't like Angela Merkel. He's not even pretending any more.
JI7
(89,247 posts)bdamomma
(63,840 posts)his comment "disgusting people". Let him have a health emergency. Guess he does not care that we have lost 200.000 Americans.
It is what it is. Fuck this jerk, get him out now.
Turbineguy
(37,322 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)But! I never noticed until just now which finger they were holding up! Love it!
raging moderate
(4,301 posts)One of my favorite bands! And this was surely one of their best numbers!
catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)Those guys were awesome, so much fun. This stirred up memories from WAY back in the mind vault. Thanks!
calimary
(81,220 posts)FABULOUS percussion effects for punctuating his orchestras performances!
That kind of gun usage Im totally for!
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)I can't click on the video and expose myself to that despicable orange hemorrhoid. I won't listen to him either. However, yes, that sort of rhetoric is beyond the pale of reason or good taste. It's Trump. He's not human.
kpete
(71,986 posts)peace,
kp
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)One-third of the population of Minnesota is of Scandinavian/Nordic decent. It is the same Aryan race theory that motivated Hitler.
Trump is a Nazi. He believes in Nazi ideology.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)shoulder-to-shoulder in yet another super-spreader eventno social distancing...except from himself of course.
He doesn't give a shit about them, figuring they'll still be alive to vote for him in 45 days. To hell with them after that.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)how bad a statement like that plays to those of us who do know what came before us. To make a statement like that would be offensive in the Deep South with our heavily Scottish ancestry, but in Minnesota? It brings up that old Saturday Night Live line, " Don, you ignorant slut."
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)So he's of German and Scottish ancestry. I'm sure most of the people in Scotland and Germany hate his ass, however.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Chump makes me sick. What a hideous man with a horrid, withered, blackened soul.
Karadeniz
(22,513 posts)malaise
(268,963 posts)and I sat all my tests - and oops - I'm very proud of my Afro-Caribbean roots and all the other blood in this racially mixed up human being.
wryter2000
(46,039 posts)It's as American as apple pie. As far as I know Arthur Jensen is still pushing it at UC Berkeley.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)some history in the U.S....
As the concept of eugenics took hold, prominent citizens, scientists and socialists championed the cause and established the Eugenics Record Office. The office tracked families and their genetic traits, claiming most people considered unfit were immigrants, minorities or poor....
...in 1910...founded the Eugenics Record Office at Cold Spring Harbor, and appointed Harry H. Laughlin to direct it. H. H. Laughlin became a spokesman for the programmatic side of the previous eugenics movement, lobbying for eugenic legislation to restrict immigration and sterilize "defectives," educating the public on eugenic health, and disseminating eugenic ideas widely
sterilizations were forced and performed on minorities. Thirty-three states would eventually allow involuntary sterilization in whomever lawmakers deemed unworthy to procreate.
In 1927, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that forced sterilization of the handicapped does not violate the U.S. Constitution. In the words of Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes, three generations of imbeciles are enough. In 1942, the ruling was overturned, but not before thousands of people underwent the procedure.
According to a 1976 Government Accountability Office investigation, between 25 and 50 percent of Native Americans were sterilized between 1970 and 1976. Its thought some sterilizations happened without consent during other surgical procedures such as an appendectomy.
...And Hitler didnt come up with the concept of a superior Aryan race all on his own...he referred to American eugenics in his 1934 book, Mein Kampf.
http://www.uvm.edu/~eugenics/
https://www.history.com/topics/germany/eugenics
http://library.cshl.edu/special-collections/eugenics
bucolic_frolic
(43,144 posts)The roots of genetics go back to Gregor Mendel and his plant hybrids, and Charles Darwin. By 1900 it was assumed Robber Barons were superior to ordinary people, and God put them there, on top, to lead us and make money for them.
Don't forget Herbert Spence and William Graham Sumner, author of the 1884 classic "What the Social Classes Owe to Each Other".
Sumner embraced Social Darwinism and did not believe in natural rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Graham_Sumner#Sumner_and_Social_Darwinism
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)He never made the leap into social stratifications as an analogy for "survival of the fittest." Besides, he saw human beings as one species. Intraspecies competitions for status and wealth were separate and nonbiological issues. "Social Darwinism" became fashionable as robber barons and corporatists took advantage of nonunion workers in the early 20th century.
bucolic_frolic
(43,144 posts)Darwin laid the theory of natural selection. Admittedly he didn't create theories for human hierarchies, but without his theories, where do you get the Darwin in Social Darwinism? Natural selection and genetics were the roots that others applied. It was like a theoretical stew from which sprung theoretical justifications for racism, class structure, cutthroat capitalism, eugenics, even the Scopes monkey trial was taken in.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)alp227
(32,019 posts)wryter2000
(46,039 posts)As I wrote it, I figured he had to have retired. I didn't know he'd died.
The psychology dept and the ed school used to share Tolman Hall. I used to see Jensen from time to time.
I'm sure someone is carrying on Jensen's "work."
lunasun
(21,646 posts)safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)That is all.
mzmolly
(50,987 posts)I think you're confusing Minnesota with Arkansas.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)To have a pure breed, dogs, cats, horses or what ever, requires generations of inbreeding. Mothers to sons for many generations. The most viable individuals and most likely to survive, as well as adapt to an environment, are the ones with the most variety in genetic make up.
Or so I heard in school.
mzmolly
(50,987 posts)And Eeeew to the first part.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)They honestly look more like brother and sister than husband and wife. Their mothers were sisters.
mzmolly
(50,987 posts)I don't mean to offend. I know in some states it's legal to marry a first cousin. Though I believe in MN and AK it's not. I should have said Alabama.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)I was born there as was my dad and his dad.
Im hearing lots of stories from around the country from people that have taking DNA test for ancestors and found some skeletons in the closet.
Retrograde
(10,134 posts)or at least not commented on. Queen Victoria and Charles Darwin both married first cousins. So did a lot of European royalty, and their offspring turned out fine. Mostly. Let's not talk about the Spanish Hapsburgs.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)In Pride and Prejudice, Lizzy's mother desperately wants her to marry her cousin Mr. Collins, while Darcy's aunt is practically trying to force him to marry his cousin, her daughter.
It was viewed as pretty normal at the time.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)not in-breeding. But we also have vibrant immigrant communities, especially Somali and Hmong.
UTUSN
(70,684 posts)brewens
(13,582 posts)understands anything about genetics. He probably has never had a class where it was involved, read a book, even a novel, not one documentary mentioning genetics. So where is he hearing this? Herr Miller might be coaching him up. Hit him with this at the first debate.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)already voted his White Supremacist ass out of office.
MN has early voting that started yesterday.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)out of office as soon as I get my absentee ballot, which I will hand-deliver immediately.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)I voted in person because I mistakenly thought a mail-in ballot wouldn't be counted until after election night, but I found they are actually counted early, along with the in-person early votes.
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)Applied for a job at a Human Resource Consulting firm. It was quite telling, not a single poc in the company and their test to get the job was designed to root out low income/minorities. It was over an hour long test and it basically psych profiled you. Their company statement in their brochures said that they were experts at pushing the envelop when creating hiring methodologies.
After twenty minutes and reviewing the test, me and another guy walked out and flopped our unfinished tests on the desk of the recruiter and I told them I decided not to work for their company.
Just a story...I got more. Minnesota nice is just a surface deal, in my opinion. There are some really good people there though, some of my best friends. So it is not all bad, but they do have their issues as do we all.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)on par with Mississippi. It's our great shame.
We do, however, have vibrant immigrant communities, most recently Somalians and other East Africans, and prior to them SE Asians, especially Hmong citizens.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Marcuse
(7,479 posts)sandensea
(21,626 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How adorable!
sandensea
(21,626 posts)Just make sure you have a yard if you ever get one.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I cannot say exactly what needs to happen to this complete asshole, fascist, nazi, prick. You probably know what it is though. Same goes for every follower and enabler. Self defense requires certain actions.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)from a man who can't walk down a ramp, can't negotiate an umbrella, can't drink a glass of water with one hand, has to paint himself orange and comb over a bleach dye job and still look stupid, slurs his speech, can't read a teleprompter... it goes on and on.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)And just look at his kids! Why, they have 'master race' written all over their simian postures and bovine expressions.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's dangerous and it will only get worse if he's not taken out. Funny how so many people with inferior genetics seem to be the most insistent on genetic profiling. Talking about the "master race" while they are clearly so far from it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)Warpy
(111,254 posts)Inbreeding has led to health problems and physical disasters for racehorses. As for humans, take a close look at the European aristocracy for the most recent example of eugenics and inbreeding for bloodlines.
I date them.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)with genes for sociopaths,mind altering substance abuse, and plastic surgery
Fake race! Some like Kushner have changed to look almost like some alien race 8
I dont know why trump appeals to some people in Minnesota but Im told there is not enough to get him a win. Still its creepy what gets acknowledged at his rallies ,
(well I know this kind of talk is part of why yes, but how it turned to trump of all people appealing in MN is my quandary )
AdamGG
(1,289 posts)He told them that they had "good bloodlines". Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer and hardcore anti-semite who printed 500,000 copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Jew hating phony conspiracy manifesto from 1903 Russia, and required Ford dealerships to distribute them. Ford was the only American mentioned by name in Mein Kampf.
Trump does not make these comments by accident. It's like during the 2016 campaign when he tried to pretend that he didn't know who David Duke was when asked a direct question about him. This is Steve Bannon/Stephen Miller shit that is directly aimed to the white supremacist audience. Stormfront and David Duke publicly acknowledge it.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)more immigrants from Norway?
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norway
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Can't blame them or anyone else for not wanting to come to the US at this point.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)LEVI STRAUSS.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outbecause I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Besides that - anyone with truly good genes would have rejected Chump long ago!
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)Just saying.
moondust
(19,976 posts)Timing just a coincidence?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)onetexan
(13,037 posts)LOL
ancianita
(36,041 posts)He's ready to own the rights to commodify the human genome map for leverage and control of big pharma and every other death panel tool he can get.
With his "soberly accepted" herd mentality plan of 70% of us with COVID and 6 million dead, he's already dangling an amerikkkan holocaust vision.
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)If people in Minnesota have such superior genes then why are they such bad drivers? Driving in Minneapolis is terrifying. Seriously.
triron
(21,999 posts)What will history say of us? That we failed utterly?
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 21, 2020, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)
My mom is from Minnesota and of German descent. There's nothing special about my family and their genes. This is insulting and disgusting. It is disgusting because he is valuing people based on who they are related to rather than who the individual is and what they have accomplished. Figures he would do that though because he would be an unsuccessful nobody if he was born into a different family.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)he believes, unlike Minnesotans and himself, to have "bad genes." And don't let him off the hook when he attempts to deflect and deny.
mia
(8,360 posts)I was a psychology student when it came out in 1994. The book caused a huge uproar in the Social Sciences and was widely disparaged.
In his own words
"A huge number of well-meaning whites fear that they are closet racists, and this book tells them they are not. It's going to make them feel better about things they already think but do not know how to say.
regarding his book, Losing Ground, quoted in Daring Research or Social Science Pornography?: Charles Murray, The New York Times Magazine, 1994
The professional consensus is that the United States has experienced dysgenic pressures throughout either most of the century (the optimists) or all of the century (the pessimists). Women of all races and ethnic groups follow this pattern in similar fashion. There is some evidence that blacks and Latinos are experiencing even more severe dysgenic pressures than whites, which could lead to further divergence between whites and other groups in future generations.
The Bell Curve, 1994
Try to imagine a presidential candidate saying in front of the cameras, One reason that we still have poverty in the United States is that a lot of poor people are born lazy. You cannot imagine it because that kind of thing cannot be said. And yet this unimaginable statement merely implies that when we know the complete genetic story, it will turn out that the population below the poverty line in the United States has a configuration of the relevant genetic makeup that is significantly different from the configuration of the population above the poverty line. This is not unimaginable. It is almost certainly true.
Deeper Into the Brain, National Review, 2000....
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,184 posts)They were even told that Ivana was an alternate on the Czech Olympic skiing team, which was a big lie.
Blue Owl
(50,355 posts)n/t
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Oops, sorry, I forgot: it's 2020. And I also forgot it's the American media.
This is repulsive on so many different levels.
Trump: speaking of genes, you're ugly, as well as completely out of shape, and you weren't even fit to go to the Army (thanks to the fake medicals that said you had "bone spurs" when you were younger. Plus, you're dumb and evil as can be. You shouldn't be talking about anyone's genes except your own awful ones.
Look at yourself in the mirror. You probably don't because you can't bear to see what you would see. That's probably one reason you look as ridiculous as you do.
spanone
(135,829 posts)Cha
(297,180 posts)likes Nazis.