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I'll just take this as a good omen for our future ... (Original Post) marble falls Sep 2020 OP
Well done. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2020 #1
wow gristy Sep 2020 #2
Absolutely wow! nt pazzyanne Sep 2020 #12
Cripe. That's a good omen? Budi Sep 2020 #3
I don't think the OP was saying AOC should become a SCJ Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #5
God that pic is disgraceful to RBG. Budi Sep 2020 #15
Sorry you don't like AOC. Many people love her. She's a great communicator & for a newbie, Illumination Sep 2020 #29
Agree. AOC is smart and motivational to young people. Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #39
Thank you for also defending AOC! Actually SHE ROCKS!... Illumination Sep 2020 #58
I don't think AOC as a political force would exist without the advances of RBG! n/t forgotmylogin Sep 2020 #64
I think the OP is commenting on how much alike rateyes Sep 2020 #9
And their strength! nt flamin lib Sep 2020 #13
AOC is nothing like RBG. No one nears her status as a professional nor her life's work Budi Sep 2020 #14
AOC is just beginning, give her time to grow. flamin lib Sep 2020 #18
Ditto malaise Sep 2020 #25
We get it you're a moderate and hate progressives Alpeduez21 Sep 2020 #26
You just said what I was thinking. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #33
Well said. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2020 #37
I am confused also Gothmog Sep 2020 #57
I agree PatSeg Sep 2020 #61
In the past I have NOT been an AOC fan, but since the death of RBG she has shown her spine Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #4
I think she's growing into her job in Congress very nicely. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #11
I don't think so. But perhaps Jahana Hayes? George II Sep 2020 #6
Did you see the news. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #43
Yes. This is the second time for her, and now she's in quarantine again. But she's a trouper... George II Sep 2020 #45
I did not know this was her second time. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #48
Thankfully a positive test doesn't necessarily mean a person has the debilitating disease.... George II Sep 2020 #52
I have to add a but here... sheshe2 Sep 2020 #54
Wow. Nice! nt iluvtennis Sep 2020 #7
Just the kind of women Repugs hate sandensea Sep 2020 #8
"Not WASPy" sheshe2 Sep 2020 #46
Done sandensea Sep 2020 #47
I thank you, sandensea. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #49
You're very welcome sandensea Sep 2020 #50
I here ya. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #53
I see little comparison between a rookie Congress person murielm99 Sep 2020 #10
Thank you. sheshe2 Sep 2020 #16
This. Thank you. NurseJackie Sep 2020 #17
Nobody is comparing anybody to anybody. What I was comenting on is a continuation ... marble falls Sep 2020 #19
Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #21
How do you know AOC's mind so specifically? I don't beleve your claim for a moment. Her voters ... marble falls Sep 2020 #22
I do not see any basis for such of a comparison in the real world Gothmog Sep 2020 #59
They aren't on a balance Goth, they're on a continum. I think the attempts to bicker this ... marble falls Sep 2020 #60
I simply disagree strongly Gothmog Sep 2020 #62
This is no comparison past detemined, qualified, good hearted, smart, honest, public spirited ... marble falls Sep 2020 #63
Exactly. Thank you! Cha Sep 2020 #34
I just look at what each did with their lives after earning their Bachelor's Degrees. George II Sep 2020 #42
As a member of the bar I agree Gothmog Sep 2020 #56
AOC is growing into her position. I like this post. I do not feel it disgraces RBG. PatrickforO Sep 2020 #20
marble falls..... Upthevibe Sep 2020 #23
Thank you. I thought very highly of Justice Ginsburg, I love what I see as her grit ... marble falls Sep 2020 #28
Thank you for this post. AOC isn't the next Ginsburg. rateyes Sep 2020 #38
That's amazing.!!!!! Butterflylady Sep 2020 #24
YESSS!! Alpeduez21 Sep 2020 #27
They both have their hair pulled back BainsBane Sep 2020 #30
Thank you. cwydro Sep 2020 #36
;) sheshe2 Sep 2020 #51
Similarities in strength, intelligence and appalachiablue Sep 2020 #31
What a gorgeous women.....I wish she could have stayed alive onecent Sep 2020 #69
Yes, a good omen. mountain grammy Sep 2020 #32
One of our soldiers has fallen. Sloumeau Sep 2020 #35
They both deserve our profound and humble respect earth2jim Sep 2020 #40
Nice to see the way forward. warmfeet Sep 2020 #41
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Sep 2020 #44
K&R Blue Owl Sep 2020 #55
Both are NYC tough, stalwart, strong women MyMission Sep 2020 #65
They are both smart, fiercely determined, and known by three initials. dsharp88 Sep 2020 #66
Excellent! Layzeebeaver Sep 2020 #67
Both strong women! burrowowl Sep 2020 #68
It's an odd comparison. I think RBG's CV and educational achievements are FAR more impressive.... NurseJackie Sep 2020 #70
Not comparing them. I don't know of very many who compare to Justice Ginsburg. marble falls Sep 2020 #71
And RBG did all that in her 20s after becoming a mother at 22. George II Sep 2020 #72
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Cripe. That's a good omen?
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:03 PM
Sep 2020

I fail to see anything positive or ominous.
What's the connection?

I'd hope our SC judges come with a law degree, preferably in Constitutional law.


Here's one that comes with years of relatable & credible skillset, one being discused that has a Harvard Law Degree...etc

To honor Justice Ginsburg's legacy, Biden should consider Michelle Obama
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/517211-to-honor-justice-ginsburgs-legacy-biden-should-consider-michelle-obama%3Famp

SNIP
She graduated from public schools and studied sociology and African American studies at Princeton University.
After graduating from Harvard Law School in 1988, she joined the Chicago law firm of Sidley & Austin, where she later met Barack Obama.
She went on to work as assistant commissioner of planning and development in City Hall and as executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies, an AmeriCorps program that prepares youth for public service.

In 1996, she joined the University of Chicago as associate dean of student services, and then as the vice president of community and external affairs for the UC Medical Center, all while balancing the demands of work and motherhood.
In short, she is the real deal.

-------------

This is the base requirement for the work of a SC judge.

AOC isn't in the same league as an SC Judge.
Michele Obama's daughters are more qualified in law than AOC.

Sorry but that is just a fact.



Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
5. I don't think the OP was saying AOC should become a SCJ
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:06 PM
Sep 2020

More that tough strong women are what’s needed for our time..and that is correct

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
15. God that pic is disgraceful to RBG.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:43 PM
Sep 2020

I can name about 6 dozen women who stand far far ahead of AOC on respecting women & the fight for the ERA.

She has a long long way to go to be ever in that category of women of influence in the fight for women's rights.

Skin care videos on social media don't fit that role of the women who actually gave AOC the right to do so.

She needs to study & respect those who've gone before her.
I don't think she gets it.

Wow is right.

Trashing this thread ..

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
29. Sorry you don't like AOC. Many people love her. She's a great communicator & for a newbie,
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:26 PM
Sep 2020

AOC is going a GREAT JOB!...

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
39. Agree. AOC is smart and motivational to young people.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:31 PM
Sep 2020

Like RBG, she is not afraid to speak her mind. She is still learning the nuances of governing, but, again like RBG, she will be a force to reckon with in the future. That does not denigrate RBG. It honors her as a role model for the strong women, and men, we need to carry this nation forward.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
14. AOC is nothing like RBG. No one nears her status as a professional nor her life's work
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:41 PM
Sep 2020

Please...🙄

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
18. AOC is just beginning, give her time to grow.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:52 PM
Sep 2020

She is also taking no crap from the powers that be, much like RBG did all her life. You can't demand the same from a 15 year old single malt scotch and a green bourbon . . .

So I beg to differ.

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
26. We get it you're a moderate and hate progressives
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:19 PM
Sep 2020

message received and understood.

However, RBG was a rebel and progressive before her icon status became entrenched. AOC could become an icon, if biases against her because she's not RBG could be overcome.

Well-behaved women rarely make history. Laurel Thatcher Ulrich.

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
61. I agree
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:34 AM
Sep 2020

They are very different women in very different worlds. Ruth Bader Ginsburg really was not very political. She was devoted to the law and actually was considered rather conservative when she was nominated. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a dynamic progressive politician, who probably has a promising future ahead of her, but they are not in the same league. I don't see any similarities at all, other than they are successful women.

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
4. In the past I have NOT been an AOC fan, but since the death of RBG she has shown her spine
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:03 PM
Sep 2020

Her caring, devotion to democracy and willingness to back Joe Biden

Thank you AOC!!

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
11. I think she's growing into her job in Congress very nicely.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Sep 2020

Like any politician, I don't agree with 100% of what she says and does, but I think she has a bright future ahead of her in politics.

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. Yes. This is the second time for her, and now she's in quarantine again. But she's a trouper...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:39 PM
Sep 2020

....and other than not being able to meet with people in person this hasn't slowed her down one bit. A low key, but very effective Congresswoman.

I wish I could move a few miles west of here, she'd be my Congresswoman. But Larson isn't chopped liver, either!

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
48. I did not know this was her second time.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:49 PM
Sep 2020

Kudos to her.

Makes you wonder about the tests, I am talking about the swabs here, not the WH 'insta-tests'...a positive can be negative and a negative can be positive. Scary times.

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
54. I have to add a but here...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 10:04 PM
Sep 2020

We still know very little about the disease. The long tern effects are only now being noted.

CDC is actively working to learn more about the whole range of short- and long-term health effects associated with COVID-19. As the pandemic unfolds, we are learning that many organs besides the lungs are affected by COVID-19 and there are many ways the infection can affect someone’s health.

One of the health effects that CDC is closely watching and working to understand relates to COVID-19 and the heart. Heart conditions associated with COVID-19 include inflammation and damage to the heart muscle itself, known as myocarditis, or inflammation of the covering of the heart, known as pericarditis. These conditions can occur by themselves or in combination. Heart damage may be an important part of severe disease and death from COVID-19, especially in older people with underlying illness. Heart damage like this might also explain some frequently reported long-term symptoms like shortness of breath, chest pain, and heart palpitations.

The risk of heart damage may not be limited to older and middle-aged adults. For example, young adults with COVID-19, including athletes, can also suffer from myocarditis. Severe heart damage has occurred in young, healthy people, but is rare. There may be more cases of mild effects of COVID-19 on the heart that can be diagnosed with special imaging tests, including in younger people with mild or minimal symptoms; however, the long-term significance of these mild effects on the heart are unknown. CDC will continue to assess and provide updates as new data emerge.

The best strategies for preventing COVID-19 infection in youth and adults are to wear a mask in public places, stay at least 6 feet away from other people, frequently wash your hands, and avoid crowds and confined or poorly ventilated spaces.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
46. "Not WASPy"
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:42 PM
Sep 2020

I suggest you edit your post. I am a WASP, white, Protestant and have some Anglo Saxon ancestry, minus the money. A mutt actually.

If a woman's ethnic in any way, she'd better be weak - or act like it - as far as they're concerned


That term is offensive. Your whole post is offensive

Please delete.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
50. You're very welcome
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 09:55 PM
Sep 2020

I meant to underscore the way Republicans typically feel about women, and what they believe is acceptable in a woman or not.

That's precisely one of the things that I dislike the most about them.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
10. I see little comparison between a rookie Congress person
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:19 PM
Sep 2020

and an established, iconic legal scholar and judge.

RBG broke important ground. AOC should be thankful for RBG's pioneering life. I doubt she would have her position without RBG and a few other women like her.

AOC has no law degree. She has a lot to prove before she deserves anything approaching the respect RBG earned at the same age.

It is premature and it dishonors RBG's memory to make any comparisons.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
19. Nobody is comparing anybody to anybody. What I was comenting on is a continuation ...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:57 PM
Sep 2020

of strength, determination, intelligence, integrity from two women who work/worked for us.

I found their similarity striking and a source of calm facing into what we have to do and what we have to prevent during this next four months. I don't expect any quarter from the RW and I just hope I have temperament, and strength of conviction both Justice Ginsberg or Rep AOC are both noted for.

Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
22. How do you know AOC's mind so specifically? I don't beleve your claim for a moment. Her voters ...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:12 PM
Sep 2020

like her well enough. She's doing just fine in Congress.

Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
59. I do not see any basis for such of a comparison in the real world
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:23 AM
Sep 2020

By the time, RBG was AOC's current age she has a ton of accomplishments in the real world. I personally find this comparison to be wrong

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
60. They aren't on a balance Goth, they're on a continum. I think the attempts to bicker this ...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:28 AM
Sep 2020

or cut AOC not something Justice Ginsburg would do and doesn't do a thing to honor her.

Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
62. I simply disagree strongly
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:09 AM
Sep 2020

At the same age, RBG was a law professor and has already argued some significant cases. I simply do not see the comparison

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
63. This is no comparison past detemined, qualified, good hearted, smart, honest, public spirited ...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:19 AM
Sep 2020

young women at the start of their careers in public service. I offered a snap shot of the two of women at their beginnings.

Making anything more of it is an attempt at ginning up a controversy that just is not there.

AOC isn't another Ginsburg, she is an all origional AOC. But they both came out of the same place: working honestly for us.

PatrickforO

(14,571 posts)
20. AOC is growing into her position. I like this post. I do not feel it disgraces RBG.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:01 PM
Sep 2020

I think our party needs EVEN MORE strong women like AOC, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar. It does.

I'm glad Biden picked Harris, and I'm happy for what Stacey Abrams is doing down in GA. These are good things.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
28. Thank you. I thought very highly of Justice Ginsburg, I love what I see as her grit ...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:23 PM
Sep 2020

reflected in AOC's face. AOC may or may not be on a level of the Justice someday, but she shows the determination to do the people's work - the same way Justice Ginsburg did so well. I've been through two major cancer surgeries in the last three years. And five minor cancer surgeries in the since 2008. I have a pretty good idea the grit she had to do stay on the courts and do her work for us as well as she did is something that 20 years younger I know I couldn't do it. Plus my cancers do not respond to radiation or chemo so add the burden to her challenge.

I don't think AOC will be another Ginsburg, but I do believe she's got long career working for us and she'll an AOC to respect and remember.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
38. Thank you for this post. AOC isn't the next Ginsburg.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:29 PM
Sep 2020

She’s the first AOC, and for my thinking, that’s damned good enough!!

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
31. Similarities in strength, intelligence and
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:30 PM
Sep 2020

the photo portraits show similarities in age, coloring and the powerful expression of the eyes.




Look at those peeps, one happy, bright- eyed child.

https://www.businessinsider.com/supreme-court-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-died-2019-8

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
32. Yes, a good omen.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:30 PM
Sep 2020

I like that. Comforting thought.

Thank you. Life goes on and AOC is our future. More like her, please.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
35. One of our soldiers has fallen.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:57 PM
Sep 2020

She was one of our best soldiers. She fought so hard, and she fought for so long. And now, we are so sad.
So we will pause here and rest a while, and we will remember all that she was. We will tell stories of all that she did.
Then, when we have rested a bit, when we have recovered some of our strength, when we are ready, we shall press on.

Because the fight still goes on, and there are many battles to be won, and she would not have wanted us to stop for too long.
So we fight on. We fight on for the soldier that we just lost, and we fight on for all of the others that we lost.
We also fight for all of the soldiers that still live and need to be protected, as well as for their children.
We fight for all that is good and right and beautiful and glorious.
We will remember all that she was, and we will fight on.

earth2jim

(7 posts)
40. They both deserve our profound and humble respect
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:32 PM
Sep 2020

For their dedication to us all. We don't need to attempt to honor one by belittling another. Neither would approve and thank you for the great pictures.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
41. Nice to see the way forward.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:38 PM
Sep 2020

Thank you Ruth, Thank you Alexandria. I will vote accordingly.

Just a subtle hint,

AOC should be POTUS

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
65. Both are NYC tough, stalwart, strong women
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
Sep 2020

Comparing apples and oranges= They're both fruit, and grow on trees, and are sweet, and full of good nutrients. That's a lot in common.

Comparing RBG and AOC = One's a lawyer, one's a politician; both are champions of human rights, women's rights. One's Jewish, one's Hispanic, both understand prejudice, and the need for equality and equity. That's a lot in common.

Those who are upset by these comparisons, get over it!

We need more like both if them in our government.

dsharp88

(487 posts)
66. They are both smart, fiercely determined, and known by three initials.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
Sep 2020

Obviously, AOC has a long way to go to become an American legend like RGB.

First, John Lewis, and now RGB. 2020 sucks.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
70. It's an odd comparison. I think RBG's CV and educational achievements are FAR more impressive....
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 06:48 PM
Sep 2020

It's an odd comparison. I think RBG's CV and educational achievements are FAR more impressive... Cornell, Harvard, Columbia... even when RBG was the same age, she had done much more. At age 30, she was a law professor at Rutgers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg#Early_career

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez#Early_career

So... I think it's fair to say that based on my observations... other than their hairstyle, dark eyes, arched eyebrows and oval face, I'm not seeing any substantive similarities between the two.

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