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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump will have only one requirement for his nominee for the Supreme Court. Are they willing to
help him steal the election no matter what?
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Wonder how much he's offered to them in bribes, threatened them , and tried to corrupt them for their vote in his favor. He has a career of doing this to escape justice.
DownriverDem
(6,236 posts)overturning Roe v Wade and the ACA.
Mister Ed
(5,948 posts)He'd want to make sure the ACA was struck down because it's Obama's legacy, and Obama once gave Trump a ribbing at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Doesn't matter how many die for lack of health care. Trump is a petty, vindictive little man.
Roe v. Wade, he wouldn't care so much about, unless he sees a way to personally benefit from its overturning.
Bettie
(16,145 posts)they will be willing to proclaim him Dictator for Life.
So, whoever they choose will have a zero ethics policy.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)His people aren't answering subpoenas because they're too busy writing a new Trumpian one.
ashredux
(2,612 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,738 posts)Biden is going to win by a landslide, and all because of a conservative Supreme Court threat to overturn the ACA and Roe v Wade.
abenavraham2020
(7 posts)Unless my understanding is faulty, and even if the christofascist don't manage to ram through another Christian fascist for the time being, and even if Roberts sides with the remaining liberals, it would still take one more of the conservatives to side with the liberals to prevent a tie that will make the lower courts invalidation of the ACA automatically happen. With a tie, the lower courts ruling will stand and the ACA will officially be dead. I so hope I am wrong about this as I rely on the ACA because I am diabetic so have a pre-existing condition... Someone please let me know if my thinking/understanding of this is faulty - PLEASE
dubyadiprecession
(5,738 posts)We cant and we wont take this lying down.
Our country is going to have this spelled out to them, in a huge amount of ads...
Particularly aimed at McConnell in Kentucky!
Lonestarblue
(10,156 posts)My desire would be to lower the age for Medicare to 55 immediately. Next, create a new healthcare bill modeled on the original Obama bill before Republicans were allowed to make hundreds of changes that weakened the bill. I think that first bill had a public option. Once that covers the uninsured, create a transition plan for those who want to move from employer-based health insurance either to the public option or to Medicare. We cannot achieve universal healthcare overnight, so a transition plan is important.
Even if states sue to try to overturn a new ACA, it takes years to get through appeals and to the Supreme Court. And once people have something like healthcare, it becomes more difficult for politicians to justify taking it away from them.
As for Roe v. Wade, I believe its demise is only a matter of time, but the choice of whether to allow abortions will likely be left up to the states. Blue states will allow it, red states will not. That hurts poor women more, but organizations like Planned Parenthood could provide travel funds to blue states. I dont know if a Democratic Congress could pass a law requiring national access to abortion. If so, Im sure it would be appealed to the SC. The other option worth exploring is telemedicine. One of the safest means of abortion is the two-pill process done at home. Those pills can be sent by a telemedicine provider from a blue state. Red states could pass laws preventing this, but that raises a lot of personal privacy issues that would be fought in court.
Another option is simply for Biden and Congress to expand the SC.
panfluteman
(2,075 posts)That herb was famous / notorious for that purpose back in Hippocrates' day. Hippocrates came down solidly on the pro-life / anti abortion side in his Oath, forbidding a doctor to prescribe pessaries (Herbal concoctions that induce abortion). Other herbs can help a woman hold onto her pregnancy in cases of threatened miscarriage. I know this from personal experience because I once helped a friend of mine save her pregnancy with herbs. The first ultrasound of her uterus showed a deformed fetus, but after she started taking the herbs I recommended, the second ultrasound showed a perfectly normal fetus - that amazed even me! She went on to have a perfectly healthy baby, at term. Unfortunately, this lady had often taken contraceptive pills, which, according to Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) greatly weaken the Spleen, which holds thing up and in, including fetuses, and disturbs the balance between the liver and spleen. One of the main herbs I used in her case was Lady's Mantle (Alchemilla vulgaris), which strengthens the spleen's function of holding things up and in, especially the fetus; the Chinese herb Astragalus also has that property, and is a key ingredient in the famous Bai Feng Wan, or White Phoenix Pills, which strengthen the spleen and the blood to help a weak or debilitated woman hold onto her pregnancy. Herbs work so splendidly for so many different gynecological problems and conditions, with no side effects - so much so that I have often wondered why women use anything else.
moose65
(3,169 posts)There's not enough time to go through the process AND get that person on the court before the election. Trump doesn't need a new justice anyway. Right now the court is 5 - 3 conservative. They could already steal the election for him!
JI7
(89,287 posts)gab13by13
(21,487 posts)If Repugs do it it will be in record time.
DownriverDem
(6,236 posts)they will get away with it. repubs are white and not used to losing. (I'm white)
Auggie
(31,230 posts)-- Mel Brooks, The Twelve Chairs
I have that same sinking feeling.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)If ZERO Democrats show up, do the Repubs still get an official vote in? Of the 47 Dem senators, who is our weakest link?
Our other options when we win the WH and the Senate would be:
1) Impeach Kavanaugh and Gorsuch (I'm up for Alito and Thomas too)
2) Expand the Court to 13 justices
3) Both
Then we can fine-tune the ACA and resurrect the Voting Rights Act and McCain-Feingold.
moose65
(3,169 posts)Even if every Democrat stayed away, they'd still have enough for the confirmation vote.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)I'll keep working on it. Luckily, so will Madame Speaker.
orangecrush
(19,662 posts)dalton99a
(81,700 posts)AllyCat
(16,260 posts)He doesn't care about babies or anyone else. Only himself. He is going to make sure that no matter how many people vote and vote for Biden/Harris, he remains in power as our idiot dictator.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Giving it to his appointees and Justices in his party to install him . The republicans know elections by the people won't help them win anymore. His pick will have to tell him their loyalty isn't to the Constitution , it's to him, like he's done to many other republicans after being corrupted by him and Putin.
KS Toronado
(17,450 posts)moose65
(3,169 posts)I know they're all rightwingers, but Trump won't be around forever. Why should they swear loyalty to someone who will be gone in 4 years at the most?
world wide wally
(21,760 posts)moose65
(3,169 posts)Even the most rabid right winger has to acknowledge that the Constitution is clear on the number of terms a President can serve.
world wide wally
(21,760 posts)2naSalit
(86,920 posts)CJ Roberts, I'm looking at you, pressured this new justice to recuse herself in any 2020 election decisions since there would be an obvious conflict of interest here? That would be more than appropriate.
If the assholes succeed in placing this new placement, we need to start screaming about recusal.
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moose65
(3,169 posts)To think that a justice who was just appointed 5 minutes ago could have the power to rule on the election of the President who appointed her - it's like a bad dream.
Of course, an even WORSE dream is that Trump loses, and he STILL appoints her in the lame-duck period, where she gets confirmed by Senators who were ALSO defeated in the election. In what universe does that happen?
Jillgirl
(64 posts)If it weren't that someone he places on the Court would feel beholden to him, it would be in his interest to keep right-wing voters hungry for the Court seat so that they'd be more likely to vote for him.
panfluteman
(2,075 posts)That the next Trump appointee to the Supreme Court is going to have to have. I believe that Brett Kavanaugh, who put himself forth as a shamelessly pro-Trump judge in the confirmation process, has ruled against Trump on at least one occasion now. That's probably one nasty problem that is inherent in our Constitution that Trump and Barr are brainstorming hard to come up with a suitable remedy for. The Supreme Court justices are appointed for life, and once they get on the court, they can defy and thumb their noses at the president who appointed them and come down on the side of - heaven forbid for Trump and Barr - truth, justice and the American way! So how about more nefarious solutions to this pesky little constitutional problem - like Putin's favorite remedy for pesky opponents, poison, or conveniently arranged apparent suicides, as in the case of Jeffrey Epstein?
Buckeyeblue
(5,505 posts)Anything to do with the election.
Also, doesn't Bush v. Gore set a precedent that states determine their own elections? With that precedent in place, I don't see how the federal courts (including the SC) get involved.
Of course, the court has been mostly turned over since them. But you would think Thomas would bound by that precedent (I laughed to myself as I wrote that sentence because Thomas is about what's best for the party, not judicial integrity).