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Trump will have only one requirement for his nominee for the Supreme Court. Are they willing to (Original Post) Augiedog Sep 2020 OP
And vote to keep his corruption , and taxes from getting exposed. duforsure Sep 2020 #1
Not to mention DownriverDem Sep 2020 #10
My guess is he only cares about one of those two. Mister Ed Sep 2020 #34
Because once they have crossed that line Bettie Sep 2020 #2
They'll proclaim the Constitution is unconstitutional. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #21
Certainly the first box to check ashredux Sep 2020 #3
His nominee won't have much to help him with. dubyadiprecession Sep 2020 #4
I think sadly the ACA died with RBG abenavraham2020 Sep 2020 #13
You have to have hope. dubyadiprecession Sep 2020 #22
If that happens and Democrats take the WH and Senate, they can pass another healthcare bill. Lonestarblue Sep 2020 #23
Or Drink Lots of Pennyroyal Tea to Induce an Abortion Herbally. panfluteman Sep 2020 #29
But that's not necessary.. moose65 Sep 2020 #5
Roberts is not a sure vote for that . JI7 Sep 2020 #7
It's going to be hard to get a confirmation before the election. gab13by13 Sep 2020 #6
i have a sinking feeling DownriverDem Sep 2020 #11
Hope for the best, expect the worse ... Auggie Sep 2020 #17
Do they need a quorum? CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #24
It take 51 for a quorum, I think moose65 Sep 2020 #27
Thanks. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #33
Bingo orangecrush Sep 2020 #8
Trump's ideal judge: dalton99a Sep 2020 #9
I can believe that. Won't even be Roe v Wade AllyCat Sep 2020 #12
Trump wants to take our vote away from us now duforsure Sep 2020 #14
He'll pick the one that claims they'll be more LOYAL than the other nominees. KS Toronado Sep 2020 #15
I wonder how that will sit with the justices, though moose65 Sep 2020 #25
You're forgetting his "third and fourth terms" though. world wide wally Sep 2020 #28
Haha moose65 Sep 2020 #30
That was the old normal. world wide wally Sep 2020 #32
So... What if the other Justices 2naSalit Sep 2020 #16
Yes. eom Jillgirl Sep 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Jillgirl Sep 2020 #19
It's bizarre, isn't it? moose65 Sep 2020 #26
Yes. Apart from this consideration, he is better off waiting till after the election. Jillgirl Sep 2020 #20
OMG - There's a whole long laundry list of questionable qualifications panfluteman Sep 2020 #31
Seems like anyone appointed this late in the game would need to recuse themselves from Buckeyeblue Sep 2020 #35

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
1. And vote to keep his corruption , and taxes from getting exposed.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:08 AM
Sep 2020

Wonder how much he's offered to them in bribes, threatened them , and tried to corrupt them for their vote in his favor. He has a career of doing this to escape justice.

Mister Ed

(5,948 posts)
34. My guess is he only cares about one of those two.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 03:53 AM
Sep 2020

He'd want to make sure the ACA was struck down because it's Obama's legacy, and Obama once gave Trump a ribbing at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Doesn't matter how many die for lack of health care. Trump is a petty, vindictive little man.

Roe v. Wade, he wouldn't care so much about, unless he sees a way to personally benefit from its overturning.

Bettie

(16,145 posts)
2. Because once they have crossed that line
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:15 AM
Sep 2020

they will be willing to proclaim him Dictator for Life.

So, whoever they choose will have a zero ethics policy.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
21. They'll proclaim the Constitution is unconstitutional.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:25 AM
Sep 2020

His people aren't answering subpoenas because they're too busy writing a new Trumpian one.

dubyadiprecession

(5,738 posts)
4. His nominee won't have much to help him with.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:48 AM
Sep 2020

Biden is going to win by a landslide, and all because of a conservative Supreme Court threat to overturn the ACA and Roe v Wade.

abenavraham2020

(7 posts)
13. I think sadly the ACA died with RBG
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Sep 2020

Unless my understanding is faulty, and even if the christofascist don't manage to ram through another Christian fascist for the time being, and even if Roberts sides with the remaining liberals, it would still take one more of the conservatives to side with the liberals to prevent a tie that will make the lower courts invalidation of the ACA automatically happen. With a tie, the lower courts ruling will stand and the ACA will officially be dead. I so hope I am wrong about this as I rely on the ACA because I am diabetic so have a pre-existing condition... Someone please let me know if my thinking/understanding of this is faulty - PLEASE

dubyadiprecession

(5,738 posts)
22. You have to have hope.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:30 AM
Sep 2020

We can’t and we won’t take this lying down.
Our country is going to have this spelled out to them, in a huge amount of ads...
Particularly aimed at McConnell in Kentucky!

Lonestarblue

(10,156 posts)
23. If that happens and Democrats take the WH and Senate, they can pass another healthcare bill.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:31 AM
Sep 2020

My desire would be to lower the age for Medicare to 55 immediately. Next, create a new healthcare bill modeled on the original Obama bill before Republicans were allowed to make hundreds of changes that weakened the bill. I think that first bill had a public option. Once that covers the uninsured, create a transition plan for those who want to move from employer-based health insurance either to the public option or to Medicare. We cannot achieve universal healthcare overnight, so a transition plan is important.

Even if states sue to try to overturn a new ACA, it takes years to get through appeals and to the Supreme Court. And once people have something like healthcare, it becomes more difficult for politicians to justify taking it away from them.

As for Roe v. Wade, I believe its demise is only a matter of time, but the choice of whether to allow abortions will likely be left up to the states. Blue states will allow it, red states will not. That hurts poor women more, but organizations like Planned Parenthood could provide travel funds to blue states. I don’t know if a Democratic Congress could pass a law requiring national access to abortion. If so, I’m sure it would be appealed to the SC. The other option worth exploring is telemedicine. One of the safest means of abortion is the two-pill process done at home. Those pills can be sent by a telemedicine provider from a blue state. Red states could pass laws preventing this, but that raises a lot of personal privacy issues that would be fought in court.

Another option is simply for Biden and Congress to expand the SC.

panfluteman

(2,075 posts)
29. Or Drink Lots of Pennyroyal Tea to Induce an Abortion Herbally.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:14 AM
Sep 2020

That herb was famous / notorious for that purpose back in Hippocrates' day. Hippocrates came down solidly on the pro-life / anti abortion side in his Oath, forbidding a doctor to prescribe pessaries (Herbal concoctions that induce abortion). Other herbs can help a woman hold onto her pregnancy in cases of threatened miscarriage. I know this from personal experience because I once helped a friend of mine save her pregnancy with herbs. The first ultrasound of her uterus showed a deformed fetus, but after she started taking the herbs I recommended, the second ultrasound showed a perfectly normal fetus - that amazed even me! She went on to have a perfectly healthy baby, at term. Unfortunately, this lady had often taken contraceptive pills, which, according to Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) greatly weaken the Spleen, which holds thing up and in, including fetuses, and disturbs the balance between the liver and spleen. One of the main herbs I used in her case was Lady's Mantle (Alchemilla vulgaris), which strengthens the spleen's function of holding things up and in, especially the fetus; the Chinese herb Astragalus also has that property, and is a key ingredient in the famous Bai Feng Wan, or White Phoenix Pills, which strengthen the spleen and the blood to help a weak or debilitated woman hold onto her pregnancy. Herbs work so splendidly for so many different gynecological problems and conditions, with no side effects - so much so that I have often wondered why women use anything else.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
5. But that's not necessary..
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:52 AM
Sep 2020

There's not enough time to go through the process AND get that person on the court before the election. Trump doesn't need a new justice anyway. Right now the court is 5 - 3 conservative. They could already steal the election for him!

gab13by13

(21,487 posts)
6. It's going to be hard to get a confirmation before the election.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 08:52 AM
Sep 2020

If Repugs do it it will be in record time.

DownriverDem

(6,236 posts)
11. i have a sinking feeling
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 09:33 AM
Sep 2020

they will get away with it. repubs are white and not used to losing. (I'm white)

Auggie

(31,230 posts)
17. Hope for the best, expect the worse ...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:04 AM
Sep 2020

-- Mel Brooks, The Twelve Chairs

I have that same sinking feeling.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
24. Do they need a quorum?
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:37 AM
Sep 2020

If ZERO Democrats show up, do the Repubs still get an official vote in? Of the 47 Dem senators, who is our weakest link?

Our other options when we win the WH and the Senate would be:

1) Impeach Kavanaugh and Gorsuch (I'm up for Alito and Thomas too)

2) Expand the Court to 13 justices

3) Both

Then we can fine-tune the ACA and resurrect the Voting Rights Act and McCain-Feingold.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
27. It take 51 for a quorum, I think
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:01 AM
Sep 2020

Even if every Democrat stayed away, they'd still have enough for the confirmation vote.

AllyCat

(16,260 posts)
12. I can believe that. Won't even be Roe v Wade
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Sep 2020

He doesn't care about babies or anyone else. Only himself. He is going to make sure that no matter how many people vote and vote for Biden/Harris, he remains in power as our idiot dictator.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. Trump wants to take our vote away from us now
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 09:45 AM
Sep 2020

Giving it to his appointees and Justices in his party to install him . The republicans know elections by the people won't help them win anymore. His pick will have to tell him their loyalty isn't to the Constitution , it's to him, like he's done to many other republicans after being corrupted by him and Putin.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
25. I wonder how that will sit with the justices, though
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:56 AM
Sep 2020

I know they're all rightwingers, but Trump won't be around forever. Why should they swear loyalty to someone who will be gone in 4 years at the most?

moose65

(3,169 posts)
30. Haha
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:19 AM
Sep 2020

Even the most rabid right winger has to acknowledge that the Constitution is clear on the number of terms a President can serve.

2naSalit

(86,920 posts)
16. So... What if the other Justices
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020

CJ Roberts, I'm looking at you, pressured this new justice to recuse herself in any 2020 election decisions since there would be an obvious conflict of interest here? That would be more than appropriate.

If the assholes succeed in placing this new placement, we need to start screaming about recusal.

Response to 2naSalit (Reply #16)

moose65

(3,169 posts)
26. It's bizarre, isn't it?
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:00 AM
Sep 2020

To think that a justice who was just appointed 5 minutes ago could have the power to rule on the election of the President who appointed her - it's like a bad dream.

Of course, an even WORSE dream is that Trump loses, and he STILL appoints her in the lame-duck period, where she gets confirmed by Senators who were ALSO defeated in the election. In what universe does that happen?

Jillgirl

(64 posts)
20. Yes. Apart from this consideration, he is better off waiting till after the election.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 10:20 AM
Sep 2020

If it weren't that someone he places on the Court would feel beholden to him, it would be in his interest to keep right-wing voters hungry for the Court seat so that they'd be more likely to vote for him.

panfluteman

(2,075 posts)
31. OMG - There's a whole long laundry list of questionable qualifications
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:25 AM
Sep 2020

That the next Trump appointee to the Supreme Court is going to have to have. I believe that Brett Kavanaugh, who put himself forth as a shamelessly pro-Trump judge in the confirmation process, has ruled against Trump on at least one occasion now. That's probably one nasty problem that is inherent in our Constitution that Trump and Barr are brainstorming hard to come up with a suitable remedy for. The Supreme Court justices are appointed for life, and once they get on the court, they can defy and thumb their noses at the president who appointed them and come down on the side of - heaven forbid for Trump and Barr - truth, justice and the American way! So how about more nefarious solutions to this pesky little constitutional problem - like Putin's favorite remedy for pesky opponents, poison, or conveniently arranged apparent suicides, as in the case of Jeffrey Epstein?

Buckeyeblue

(5,505 posts)
35. Seems like anyone appointed this late in the game would need to recuse themselves from
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 06:45 AM
Sep 2020

Anything to do with the election.

Also, doesn't Bush v. Gore set a precedent that states determine their own elections? With that precedent in place, I don't see how the federal courts (including the SC) get involved.

Of course, the court has been mostly turned over since them. But you would think Thomas would bound by that precedent (I laughed to myself as I wrote that sentence because Thomas is about what's best for the party, not judicial integrity).

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