What do you want from the conservative man?

[NYCButterfinger]

First off, I have good intentioned discussions.

We can't live in echo chambers.

Secondly, I live in a swingy part of NJ which decides gubernatorial elections, Middlesex County.

A lot of people next to me are angry people----mostly conservative men.

They are always angry, at least from my impression of them.

They claim that liberals and the left want to take away God, the Second Amendment, etc.

They are always upset.

What do you want from the conservative man?

Is "conservative" even a word anymore?

[dchill]

1. I want them to stay in their crypts.

[imanamerican63]

2. To be like Senator John McCain.

I didn’t agree with everything that he stood for however he was a good man with a fairness about him.

[qazplm135]

3. Silence

.

[mercuryblues]

4. You can't have good intentioned discussions

with a person who is angry all the time and filled with hate & lies.

[Statistical]

5. Nothing. Outvoting them is more effective.

[NYCButterfinger]

7. They don't care about healthcare, Social Security, etc.

They don't even care about immigration.

The only branch of government they adore is the military or police.

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. I want them to just go away

[Bev54]

8. I am with you

[smirkymonkey]

9. To stop thwarting the progress of the rest of us who are not white, conservative men.

That's it. We want them to get their fucking feet off our necks.

[Ohiogal]

12. This.

Live and let live. Why do they feel that they and their beliefs have to dominate everyone not like them?

[NYCButterfinger]

15. Do you want to take their guns, because that is all they care about?

I'm pro-Second Amendment liberal.

I believe that is one of the reasons why men have not connected with the Democratic Party is guns.

I believe in gun rights with regulations, but the gun issue is hurting Democrats like the way abortion is hurting Republicans.

[smirkymonkey]

19. You know that nobody is coming for their guns.

Sensible gun regulations do not equal an erasure of the 2nd amendment. Nobody needs a fucking assault weapon. And I think that there are very few people who are in favor of unlimited gun rights.

You are arguing against a strawman. The democrats do not want to eliminate gun rights. They simply want common sense gun reform and so does anyone else who is not a complete nut job.

[MenloParque]

21. This is an issue...No one wants to take guns

And doing so would lead to more bloodshed then we have seen. I am a black Female living in a big city...I choose to protect myself by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Most of my colleagues in the IT industry have no less than a Graduate Degree in CompSci. Very well educated men who would vote for Democratic candidate for all elections, but the 2nd amendment is their line. We need all brilliant minds on board!! I’m tired of having so many people in my life say “I would vote Dem but....”. I know not all DUers are anti-gun, but there are many many of us Progressives who choose to be responsible firearms owners.

[Squinch]

26. If you are a liberal, you already know the answer to that question. So why are you asking it?

What is this crap?

[NYCButterfinger]

29. There is a wing of our party that would like to take away guns

That is one reason why we are not attracting more younger men---even Latino men to our party.

Even women----we shouldn't be winning women nationally by 8 points, 10 points.

[Squinch]

36. So much bullshit. So little time. Your concern is noted.

[Stallion]

34. Note there Has been a Rash of these Open ended "Questions" on Wedge Issues Over the Last week

at least 10 that I have noted

two posters in particular seem to post mostly questions rather than their opinions

[Squinch]

37. Their slips are showing. And they're not very clean.

[NYCButterfinger]

42. I'm warning Democrats that an overreach on guns will make us lose some of our base

A lot of Black and Latino men are pro-Second Amendment

[LanternWaste]

49. Bless your heart.

[LanternWaste]

50. Damn straight. Skid marks can often be odorous and obvious.

Not that I'm referring to any actual Democrat or progressive on DU. That would be unfair...

[lagomorph777]

32. Nonsense. Gun safety is a 90/10 issue in our favor.

Very odd claims for somebody who claims to be a liberal...?

[NYCButterfinger]

35. Talk about gun safety, not gun confiscation

That would be a complete disaster

I talk to a lot of men who would be Democratic voters due to healthcare, etc.

Even a pro-choice neighbor of mine, she votes GOP in NJ because of guns.

But on guns, they are not budging.

I think it would be best to leave guns alone----the party is weak on that.

[madinmaryland]

56. STOP IT! No one is suggesting confiscating all guns. That is an NRA and

Right wing talking point.

The is a group here where you can discuss your gun fetishes. Please leave them out of this forum.

[LanternWaste]

57. What id this specific weakness you refer to?

And what objective sources do you cite to argue them as such?

[rzemanfl]

72. Bookmarking to remind me of the mistake I made a few minutes ago. n/t

[lagomorph777]

33. "...take their guns?" I only hear that language from right wing nut jobs.

Very odd.

[Squinch]

38. Hmmm. I, too, only hear that language from right wing nut jobs. How odd, then, that we

are hearing it right here from a concerned liberal.

I'm totally convinced. AK 47s for all!

[NYCButterfinger]

39. Sure you can take away AK-47s from civilians, but stop demonizing gun owners

A lot of liberals and Democrats are gun owners, I know in NJ a lot of people who were Democrats in the past----pro-healthcare, pro-choice, pro-SSM, etc. who are single issue pro-gun people because of this

Democrats need to talk about gun safety, not gun confiscation

[Squinch]

41. Just stop.

[NYCButterfinger]

43. No, I am telling the truth.

We cannot be stringent on this issue

Democrats should talk about healthcare, jobs, abortions, leave guns out of it

[LanternWaste]

46. Seems irrational to pretend an opinion is an objective truth.

Yet it begs the question: what Democrat of note and weight is arguing to take yer gunz away at the expense of discussions regarding healthcare and jobs?

(and try not to misuse the word 'stringent' in the future)

[NYCButterfinger]

59. What I am saying is that if we believe conservative men should leave everyone alone

then we should change our messaging, we need to tell conservative men we are not taking away their guns.

I'm sorry, but abortion is not the reason why we are electorally behind in places like the Midwest and South, it is because of gun culture

A lot of pro-choice, pro-SSM Democrats are gun owners as well and we have to change the messaging

[LanternWaste]

61. Again.... what is the specific message you suggest?

And what is the precise, relevant and objective difference between that and the current Democratic messaging?

(please cite your sources....)

[lagomorph777]

44. "gun confiscation?" Again, words used only by right wing nut jobs.

Zero, I repeat, zero Democrats are using those words or anything remotely like them.

Extremely odd.

[NYCButterfinger]

45. We need to change our messaging

A lot of young people are gun owners

There is no reason for us to be winning young voters by 10-20 points

[LanternWaste]

53. What specific message would you yourself suggest?

And what is the specific and relevant difference between yours and the overall Democratic messaging?

[LanternWaste]

55. Which Democrats are suggesting a complete gun confiscation?

Which Democrats do not mention gun safety when its relevance arises?

[Dial H For Hero]

64. Complete? None. Confiscating the most popular rifles in Amercia, though....

Beto O'Rourke; "Hell Yes, We're Going to Take Your AR-15's"

[LanternWaste]

66. And he's not really a spokesman for anyone other than himself at this point.

He lost the election, he failed in the primary, and now sits in the nose-bleed general admission seats with the rest of us.

There's no one in a Democratic leadership position advocating for the non-argument the OP is making.

Let's not pretend otherwise by reaching into an irrelevancy and calling it salient.

[LanternWaste]

48. I dig how you move the goalposts from your original OP.

I also dig how you fail to support any and all of your premises in this thread with objective evidence.

Also, I really, really dig how your argue against points no one is making.

Rational. Very, very rational.

[haele]

10. Conservative is a word. It's been co-opted by the rage-addicted man-babies and Qarens.

The original connotation for calling someone a plain conservative would typically be someone who is cautious when considering a major change to a policy or social movement - they need a good, logical - or profitable - reason to accept change.

A reactionary is an automatic knee-jerk "no" to anything outside their reality bubble.
Unfortunately, most people who call themselves conservative are really reactionaries, not conservatives. They're not interested in anything outside their comfortingly delusional conspiracy theories.

Haele

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. To use the small brains they have for something besides

trying to get laid?

I am actually serious.

[2naSalit]

13. Give them some...

Doggie downers and tell them to be quiet and go to their caves.

[SlogginThroughIt]

14. To FOESAD!

[Chainfire]

16. I want them to purchase a bullshit meter

$145.99 and free Prime shipping.

If they would start thinking, instead of joining in self-righteous hate cults and let others do their thinking for them, they would begin to act more like adults. Some of the stuff I hear and read makes me really wonder how their emotional and intellectual development came to a crashing halt at about age nine.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

17. It would be nice if the evangelicals among them...

... would stop pretending that God will punish the whole country (them included) if homosexuality and abortions are protected in the USA.

Hence, they take those issues too personally instead of just letting others live their lives in peace.

And history has shown that it can get worse, such as when Puritans were trying to control even more aspects of collective behavior to appease "God".

[WyattKansas]

65. Yet they are gleefully so willing to worship Mammon as their God.

As long as they get "theirs" and get to determine how little everyone else gets.

'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?'

[RhodeIslandOne]

18. Most don't know what "conservative" means

Authoritarian fascism is not "conservative".

[es466]

20. Whatever they are, they are NOT "conservatives"

More like embittered authoritarians with a victimization complex.

[smirkymonkey]

28. +1000

Well said!

[dawg]

22. Honestly, I just want him to love this country and democracy as much as I do.

If he'd just do that, we could fight over everything else at the ballot box.

[Crunchy Frog]

23. I actually wonder whether some sort of deprogramming operation might work.

I don't know how, but somehow try to break the hold that Faux and hate propaganda radio have over them and expose them to other messaging.

[Leith]

24. I want them to stop telling others how to live their lives

They can have their malinformed opinions. They just need to keep them to themselves.

[Squinch]

25. For them to grow the fuck up.

Beyond that, I couldn't give a rat's ass about conservative men.

[Skittles]

27. to care about something OTHER THAN THEMSELVES

fucking SELFISH BASTARD

[DFW]

30. Those men aren't conservative. They're just right wing Republicans. I'm conservative--in English.

In English, using an English dictionary:

I am your classic conservative, at least as defined in a dictionary of the English language (as opposed to Republicanese).

I still work for the same outfit that recruited me out of college in 1975. I have been with the same wonderful woman since 1974. We have raised two solid, intelligent children who have grown up, think independently, did well in their respective colleges, and have jobs in which they earn their own living, have stable, long-term relationships, and are well-respected in their chosen fields.

I am risk-averse, and do not like to make rash, un-thought-out decisions. I have no debts. I have no addictions, not even to alcohol, religion, gambling, or nicotine. My favorite American philosopher is the 18th century Thomas Jefferson.

I am the epitome of “conservative.” Why am I a Democrat? Simple: I do not believe that having a different skin color, belief, or income makes one a superior or an inferior being to myself.

Don't let right wing Republicans hijack the dictionary along with the Senate, the Oval Office and the Supreme Court.

[pecosbob]

31. Firstly, to stop rowing the f*cking life-boat back towards open ocean

For most public shaming will eventually bring them round, or at least make them go back into the closet. The others, well...we will eventually tire of their shit and throw them from the life-boat.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. To leave me the fuck alone.

[NYCButterfinger]

47. Would you ever bother them, in terms of gun control?

Because a lot of them are single issue voters in terms of guns...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

51. No.

[LanternWaste]

52. Which Democrat of weight or note is arguing an absolute ban on all fireamrs?

If the answer is none, you can tell these alleged friends, cousins, and co-workers not to sweat.

[NYCButterfinger]

60. We need to promote Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly on gun safety

and ditch David Hogg

He is reviled by a lot of men in America----the people in my neighborhood snicker and mock Hogg day after day after day at the local supermarket and bars

[LanternWaste]

62. Again... which Democrat of weight or note is arguing an absolute ban on all firearms?

You consistently allege the Democrats' message is anti-gun, but you also consistently fail to support that allegation with any objective evidence.

It's as if you're simply pretending an argument exists which doesn't to have something to argue against, but I'm quite certain I'm merely missing all the cogent and rational points you're actually making... yes?

I look forward to your 'tough, no-nonsense' answers rather than mere responses to arguments no one is making.

[Takket]

54. to not vote

[hatrack]

58. Silence, absence, disappearance . . .

.

[LanternWaste]

63. As a Christian myself, I wonder what leads anyone to believe God can be taken away from them.

Any relevant and direct answers to that?

Or simply responses?

[JI7]

67. Stop being Racist Fucking Assholes and stop supporting Trash like Trump

[JHB]

68. To turn off talk radio, to stop watching FOX, to take a break from their own bubble

For most, that's what keeps their boilers stoked: the constant doses of bile, axe-grinding, and righteous outrage.

[Caliman73]

69. They need to stop being so emotional and so scared all the time.

Life is about adapting to change because change is inevitable.

We don't live in an echo chamber. Liberals have a much more diversified view of the world than conservatives of whom 75% get their news from ONE source. The average liberal gets their information from at least 6 sources.

The problem is that conservatives call every outlet that doesn't comport directly with with they believe, "the liberal" media.

Conservatives Period, need to challenge themselves to grow and mature emotionally and rationally.

[SMC22307]

70. For them to stop being dancing puppets of the NRA and right-wing media.

And to stop being so easily manipulated and fearful.

[SMC22307]

71. And for them to stop acting like such fucking victims.

Please tell them I said that... all the way from Communist Northern Virginia (that is voting in droves, BTW).

[rzemanfl]

73. In prior days I would have remarked about foot coverings.

No more though.