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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do you want from the conservative man?
First off, I have good intentioned discussions.
We can't live in echo chambers.
Secondly, I live in a swingy part of NJ which decides gubernatorial elections, Middlesex County.
A lot of people next to me are angry people----mostly conservative men.
They are always angry, at least from my impression of them.
They claim that liberals and the left want to take away God, the Second Amendment, etc.
They are always upset.
What do you want from the conservative man?
Is "conservative" even a word anymore?
dchill
(38,432 posts)imanamerican63
(13,725 posts)I didnt agree with everything that he stood for however he was a good man with a fairness about him.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts).
mercuryblues
(14,521 posts)with a person who is angry all the time and filled with hate & lies.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)They don't even care about immigration.
The only branch of government they adore is the military or police.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)Bev54
(10,037 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That's it. We want them to get their fucking feet off our necks.
Ohiogal
(31,895 posts)Live and let live. Why do they feel that they and their beliefs have to dominate everyone not like them?
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)I'm pro-Second Amendment liberal.
I believe that is one of the reasons why men have not connected with the Democratic Party is guns.
I believe in gun rights with regulations, but the gun issue is hurting Democrats like the way abortion is hurting Republicans.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sensible gun regulations do not equal an erasure of the 2nd amendment. Nobody needs a fucking assault weapon. And I think that there are very few people who are in favor of unlimited gun rights.
You are arguing against a strawman. The democrats do not want to eliminate gun rights. They simply want common sense gun reform and so does anyone else who is not a complete nut job.
MenloParque
(512 posts)And doing so would lead to more bloodshed then we have seen. I am a black Female living in a big city...I choose to protect myself by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Most of my colleagues in the IT industry have no less than a Graduate Degree in CompSci. Very well educated men who would vote for Democratic candidate for all elections, but the 2nd amendment is their line. We need all brilliant minds on board!! Im tired of having so many people in my life say I would vote Dem but..... I know not all DUers are anti-gun, but there are many many of us Progressives who choose to be responsible firearms owners.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)What is this crap?
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)That is one reason why we are not attracting more younger men---even Latino men to our party.
Even women----we shouldn't be winning women nationally by 8 points, 10 points.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)Stallion
(6,473 posts)at least 10 that I have noted
two posters in particular seem to post mostly questions rather than their opinions
Squinch
(50,901 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)A lot of Black and Latino men are pro-Second Amendment
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Not that I'm referring to any actual Democrat or progressive on DU. That would be unfair...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Very odd claims for somebody who claims to be a liberal...?
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)That would be a complete disaster
I talk to a lot of men who would be Democratic voters due to healthcare, etc.
Even a pro-choice neighbor of mine, she votes GOP in NJ because of guns.
But on guns, they are not budging.
I think it would be best to leave guns alone----the party is weak on that.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Right wing talking point.
The is a group here where you can discuss your gun fetishes. Please leave them out of this forum.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And what objective sources do you cite to argue them as such?
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Very odd.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)are hearing it right here from a concerned liberal.
I'm totally convinced. AK 47s for all!
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)A lot of liberals and Democrats are gun owners, I know in NJ a lot of people who were Democrats in the past----pro-healthcare, pro-choice, pro-SSM, etc. who are single issue pro-gun people because of this
Democrats need to talk about gun safety, not gun confiscation
Squinch
(50,901 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)We cannot be stringent on this issue
Democrats should talk about healthcare, jobs, abortions, leave guns out of it
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yet it begs the question: what Democrat of note and weight is arguing to take yer gunz away at the expense of discussions regarding healthcare and jobs?
(and try not to misuse the word 'stringent' in the future)
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)then we should change our messaging, we need to tell conservative men we are not taking away their guns.
I'm sorry, but abortion is not the reason why we are electorally behind in places like the Midwest and South, it is because of gun culture
A lot of pro-choice, pro-SSM Democrats are gun owners as well and we have to change the messaging
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And what is the precise, relevant and objective difference between that and the current Democratic messaging?
(please cite your sources....)
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Zero, I repeat, zero Democrats are using those words or anything remotely like them.
Extremely odd.
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)A lot of young people are gun owners
There is no reason for us to be winning young voters by 10-20 points
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And what is the specific and relevant difference between yours and the overall Democratic messaging?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Which Democrats do not mention gun safety when its relevance arises?
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)Beto O'Rourke; "Hell Yes, We're Going to Take Your AR-15's"
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)He lost the election, he failed in the primary, and now sits in the nose-bleed general admission seats with the rest of us.
There's no one in a Democratic leadership position advocating for the non-argument the OP is making.
Let's not pretend otherwise by reaching into an irrelevancy and calling it salient.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I also dig how you fail to support any and all of your premises in this thread with objective evidence.
Also, I really, really dig how your argue against points no one is making.
Rational. Very, very rational.
haele
(12,635 posts)The original connotation for calling someone a plain conservative would typically be someone who is cautious when considering a major change to a policy or social movement - they need a good, logical - or profitable - reason to accept change.
A reactionary is an automatic knee-jerk "no" to anything outside their reality bubble.
Unfortunately, most people who call themselves conservative are really reactionaries, not conservatives. They're not interested in anything outside their comfortingly delusional conspiracy theories.
Haele
Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)trying to get laid?
I am actually serious.
2naSalit
(86,308 posts)Doggie downers and tell them to be quiet and go to their caves.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Chainfire
(17,458 posts)$145.99 and free Prime shipping.
If they would start thinking, instead of joining in self-righteous hate cults and let others do their thinking for them, they would begin to act more like adults. Some of the stuff I hear and read makes me really wonder how their emotional and intellectual development came to a crashing halt at about age nine.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)... would stop pretending that God will punish the whole country (them included) if homosexuality and abortions are protected in the USA.
Hence, they take those issues too personally instead of just letting others live their lives in peace.
And history has shown that it can get worse, such as when Puritans were trying to control even more aspects of collective behavior to appease "God".
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)As long as they get "theirs" and get to determine how little everyone else gets.
'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do?'
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Authoritarian fascism is not "conservative".
es466
(113 posts)More like embittered authoritarians with a victimization complex.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Well said!
dawg
(10,621 posts)If he'd just do that, we could fight over everything else at the ballot box.
Crunchy Frog
(26,574 posts)I don't know how, but somehow try to break the hold that Faux and hate propaganda radio have over them and expose them to other messaging.
Leith
(7,807 posts)They can have their malinformed opinions. They just need to keep them to themselves.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)Beyond that, I couldn't give a rat's ass about conservative men.
Skittles
(153,104 posts)fucking SELFISH BASTARD
DFW
(54,268 posts)In English, using an English dictionary:
I am your classic conservative, at least as defined in a dictionary of the English language (as opposed to Republicanese).
I still work for the same outfit that recruited me out of college in 1975. I have been with the same wonderful woman since 1974. We have raised two solid, intelligent children who have grown up, think independently, did well in their respective colleges, and have jobs in which they earn their own living, have stable, long-term relationships, and are well-respected in their chosen fields.
I am risk-averse, and do not like to make rash, un-thought-out decisions. I have no debts. I have no addictions, not even to alcohol, religion, gambling, or nicotine. My favorite American philosopher is the 18th century Thomas Jefferson.
I am the epitome of conservative. Why am I a Democrat? Simple: I do not believe that having a different skin color, belief, or income makes one a superior or an inferior being to myself.
Don't let right wing Republicans hijack the dictionary along with the Senate, the Oval Office and the Supreme Court.
pecosbob
(7,533 posts)For most public shaming will eventually bring them round, or at least make them go back into the closet. The others, well...we will eventually tire of their shit and throw them from the life-boat.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,304 posts)NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)Because a lot of them are single issue voters in terms of guns...
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,304 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If the answer is none, you can tell these alleged friends, cousins, and co-workers not to sweat.
NYCButterfinger
(755 posts)and ditch David Hogg
He is reviled by a lot of men in America----the people in my neighborhood snicker and mock Hogg day after day after day at the local supermarket and bars
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You consistently allege the Democrats' message is anti-gun, but you also consistently fail to support that allegation with any objective evidence.
It's as if you're simply pretending an argument exists which doesn't to have something to argue against, but I'm quite certain I'm merely missing all the cogent and rational points you're actually making... yes?
I look forward to your 'tough, no-nonsense' answers rather than mere responses to arguments no one is making.
Takket
(21,526 posts)hatrack
(59,566 posts).
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Any relevant and direct answers to that?
Or simply responses?
JI7
(89,239 posts)JHB
(37,152 posts)For most, that's what keeps their boilers stoked: the constant doses of bile, axe-grinding, and righteous outrage.
Caliman73
(11,722 posts)Life is about adapting to change because change is inevitable.
We don't live in an echo chamber. Liberals have a much more diversified view of the world than conservatives of whom 75% get their news from ONE source. The average liberal gets their information from at least 6 sources.
The problem is that conservatives call every outlet that doesn't comport directly with with they believe, "the liberal" media.
Conservatives Period, need to challenge themselves to grow and mature emotionally and rationally.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And to stop being so easily manipulated and fearful.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Please tell them I said that... all the way from Communist Northern Virginia (that is voting in droves, BTW).
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)No more though.