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Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:47 PM Sep 2020

The Dems should play the long game

With the Republican power grab with the Supreme Court, the Dems are free to make a power grab of their own, with little to no consequences. But instead of going balls to the wall and doing everything at once here is what I think their best plan is.

The Dems best move would be to eliminate the filibuster in the senate and then add DC and Puerto Rico as states. That would make Republican majorities in the House and Senate far more difficult to achieve and add quite a few likely Dem electoral votes from Puerto Rico. They could also potentially expand the size of the House, although that is probably the least pressing issue. It would be easy for them to do but not 100% required. Then bide their time, wait for Thomas to exit, which is likely not too far off, and ram through an ultra liberal justice to balance things out. If the conservative Supreme Court is fucking around too much, stack the courts. The first thing the Dems need to do is conslidate power where they can and play the long game. There are two conservative justices, Roberts and Gorsuch that are reasonable enough to know to not press their luck too much. Secure the White House and Senate to prevent Trump and McConnell 2.0 from ever coming to power and then fix the federal judiciary.

If they do too much at once, the backlash could hit the Democrats and we could end up with a choatic situtation where more states are trying to be added and the Republicans potentially retaking power in a few years and expanding the courts even further. The dems need to prevent a tit for tat retalation just a few years down the road. Their power grab should be securing the Senate and White House, or at least making it way, way harder for someone like Trump to win the presidency without the electoral vote, or for a hard right Senate to come back into existence. Learn lessons from McConnell. He has been planning this for likely 15 years. We need to strike hard but then bide our time and pick our battles.

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The Dems should play the long game (Original Post) Dr. Jack Sep 2020 OP
Sadly I see zero interest in the leadership for adding DC & PR as states. Statistical Sep 2020 #1
We were handed a resounding mandate in 2008 BeyondGeography Sep 2020 #3
very little of that is likely to happen rampartc Sep 2020 #2
Actually I have seen leadership say these things Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #4

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
1. Sadly I see zero interest in the leadership for adding DC & PR as states.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:52 PM
Sep 2020

Even though as you point out it along with the Wyoming Rule would be a strategic shift in favor of the Democrats which could have lasting impacts on the direction of the country for decades to come. I would point out if PR & DC were already states Mitch wouldn't be the majority leader right now.

When Republicans are given power they take it boldly. Mitch's moves in 2016 & 2020 are disgusting but they are bold. He wasn't worried about future consequences. He just did it because he could do it. That shifted the country redder for decades to come.

I think we will be handed a resounding mandate come Nov 3rd. If the leadership doesn't use that boldly well it might be another 10-14 years before that happens again.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
3. We were handed a resounding mandate in 2008
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:01 PM
Sep 2020

We didn’t make the most of it. RBG’s passing being just the latest example. One party punches way above its weight. I’m afraid the other party is not so hot at throwing punches.

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
2. very little of that is likely to happen
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:56 PM
Sep 2020

even with big wins in november (by no means sure) do the people of puerto rico even want statehood? can any legislation expanding the house or the court, much less dc statehood pass an "originalist" court?

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
4. Actually I have seen leadership say these things
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 01:14 PM
Sep 2020

Nadler, Markey and Schiff have all suggested ending the filibuster and increasing judgeships, not only for the SC, but appellate court as well.

Also Biden has signaled he is willing to end the filibuster. I think for him to start talking about DC statehood or increasing the SC isn’t a good plan. His campaign is going full steam ahead to victory. we should just go with their winning strategy. Plenty of time following the election to go there.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/22/21293168/dc-statehood-vote-filibuster-supreme-court-joe-biden
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587

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