I wonder if those on the Electoral College feel proud for what they did, overriding the popular

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vote and forcing in Trump. What utter bullshit the Electoral College is!!! Brag about a democracy, and then throw out the popular vote and install someone else. And are they now hoping for a dictatorship! For some it just must be Republican Family Values again.

[beachbumbob]

1. sorry but the electoral college followed the rules and over rode nothing, we are all upset

but we KNEW the rules going in and how popular vote winner can lose the election. The price we all paid for bt thenatics of Stein voters and those who sat becasue they couldn;t vote for the lesser of 2 evils

[AnyFunctioningAdult]

5. It is frustrating

I know most here hate the Electoral College, but the work it would take to change it is enormous. Now, that is not a reason to not at least try. Has the process even been attempted? Has ANY state legislature tried passing a new amendment to get the ball rolling? Maybe they have, but the likelihood of it changing any time soon is very small. That is just reality.

The fact is, Hillary won a game no one was playing. Biden's team knows what game he has to win and is concentrating on the swing states. THAT is where we need to focus our energy because like it or not that IS the game we have to win.

[beachbumbob]

8. state laws can;t usurp constitutional processes,

[BainsBane]

2. They abided by the popular vote in their states

Which is what they are supposed to do.
To get rid of the EC, we need a constitutional amendment.

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24. Exactly! n/t

[sweetloukillbot]

3. When did this happen?

[Codeine]

4. They didn't override anything.

There is no “popular vote”, not in any meaningful legal fashion. It’s a dumb system, but it’s the exact same system that we always use.

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23. It is, absolutely a dumb system for this century! n/t

[obamanut2012]

6. wtaf are you talking about

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18. A constitutional amendment. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. They didn't override anything; they voted for the candidate

who won the popular vote in their state, which is what they are supposed to do. The problem is that the number of electors for each state no longer accurately reflects the actual population of the state.

Whatever the hell are you talking about?

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17. A constitutional amendment. n/t

[Thomas Hurt]

9. From the House of Representatives History website:

Most states require that all electoral votes go to the candidate who receives the plurality in that state. After state election officials certify the popular vote of each state, the winning slate of electors meet in the state capital and cast two ballots—one for Vice President and one for President. Electors cannot vote for a Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate who both hail from an elector’s home state.

More at the link. It lays out the different ways electors are apportioned.

https://history.house.gov/Institution/Electoral-College/Electoral-College/

[Coleman]

10. In 2016 there were a couple unfaithful electors for Clinton, who voted for Stein

It didn't make a difference in the final outcome. I can't remember the state, but they punished the unfaithful electors. The electors to the state to court and lost. States can require electors to vote IAW state law, and punish unfaithful electors.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. Actually, Jill Stein did not get any EC votes in 2016. Not sure where you heard that.

Trump got 304 EC votes, Hillary Clinton 227, Colin Powell 3, Bernie Sanders, John Kasich, Ron Paul, and Faith Spotted Eagle each got one vote.

None for Jill Stein. Also none for Gary Johnson, who got over 3 million more votes than Stein.

[BainsBane]

14. Her margin was greater than

the difference between Hillary and Trump, and it was higher than the Green Party achieved in previous elections. All the electors go for the popular vote in their state.
The two votes per precinct in Michigan was far less than Stein's vote count.
It is clear, without question, that so-called leftists who were angry over the primary cost the Democrats this election. Excuses don't change that fact. They chose Trump, and they own every last atrocity he has committed.

I also found it fascinating how much money Stein had in the lead up to the election. She ran lots of TV ads, which Green party candidates have not done in the past. I can't help but believe her close relationship with Putin, as demonstrated by her sitting at his table along with Mike Flynn, contributed to her war chest.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. You need to understand just how the Electoral College works.

Each and every candidate has his or her own slate of electors. The slate of whoever wins the popular vote in that state (or as with Maine and Nebraska, by Congressional District) then meets in their state capitol in December to cast their ballots. They are invariably party loyalists who are rewarded for their loyalty by being appointed to the Electoral College.

There is NOT one single group of electors in each state. And because they vote by state, that's why candidates spend so much time going to "swing" states, and pretty much ignore all the others. Especially the ones with few EC votes.

In theory, a person could become President by winning just eleven states: California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, and New Jersey add up to 270 EC votes. In reality, that's highly unlikely to ever happen.

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25. We need a constitutional amendment for this century. IMO the current arrangement is

ridiculous.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. It is ridiculous, but a Constitutional ammendment isn't going to happen.

This country is waaaay to polarized, and the R party and their brainwashed cult members benefit disproportionately from the system remaining as is.

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31. It's often a losing battle in the US ... for many things. n/t

[Dial H For Hero]

13. The popular vote is nothing but trivia. If you want to change that, amend the Constitution.

Good luck, you'll need it.

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22. Yeah, we are stuck! n/t

[duforsure]

15. Those electoral voters for him into office last time should look at what they've done to us now,

Caged and abused children, killed thousands intentionally by ignoring the deadly virus, threatening our Democracy , taking away health care from millions , and next Social Security , then pensions, and embezzling government money out of our treasury, driving the debt up trillions to prop up his failing economy, and corrupting the government. They should rot in hell for what they've done to this country.

[Amishman]

16. we are a democratic republic, not a true democracy

things like the electoral college are one of the reasons we are not a true democracy.

They did what they were supposed to do under our model of government.

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20. A constitutional amendment is needed. n/t

[Codeine]

26. None of the small states

would ratify one, because they would have to give up the associated influence.

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28. Yep!!! n/t

[USALiberal]

19. Ahh........link to this story! ?????????????

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21. None, we need a constitutional amendment. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

27. Unfortunately, that's how the current system works.

The Constitution states that the president is chosen by EC vote and not the popular vote.

Current practice is that the slate of electors is chosen in each state by the popular vote in that state. Electors pretty much have to vote for the candidate they are pledged to.

It's the system that's the problem, not the individual electors.

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30. Yep, and it's likely obsolete today. As you say, it's the system. If an elector, I would probably

feel bad now seeing/experiencing what went into office.