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'Broke-A-Hontas' Seems a Fitting Address For This Cheap Loser.... (Original Post) The Magistrate Sep 2020 OP
Tax Cheato soothsayer Sep 2020 #1
That Is Quite Nice, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #3
Elizabeth here's a good one for ya MagickMuffin Sep 2020 #2
She Has Too Much Class For Such Cheap Shots, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #6
Oh, she'll use it!! tavernier Sep 2020 #47
brokemaster D lapfog_1 Sep 2020 #4
That Has A Bundy Feel To It, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #10
Cheato Benito Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #5
Has a Nice Ring To It, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #13
It's uncanny Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #14
Can we please not do this? obamanut2012 Sep 2020 #7
That Attitude, Sir, Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things The Magistrate Sep 2020 #8
It made me chuckle BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #11
Well said. OnDoutside Sep 2020 #37
It's empowering to take back "Pocahontas" from the orange buffoon scrabblequeen40 Sep 2020 #26
Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #44
That made me DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #9
I Expect It Will Make Most Do So, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #18
Good one. dalton99a Sep 2020 #12
I Do Not Know Who Coined It, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #21
This ? OnDoutside Sep 2020 #41
Wife Says Yes, Sir, That Is Where She Saw It The Magistrate Sep 2020 #42
He's not broke Johnny2X2X Sep 2020 #15
They Are Liable To Seized For His Debt, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #17
And then he has no assets or no debt. LuckyCharms Sep 2020 #23
Yes. He is. Broke. scrabblequeen40 Sep 2020 #27
Magistrate...I love it. Perfect. K&R Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #16
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2020 #33
You are very welcome. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #56
I think people can do better than to use the name of a victim of rape, kidnapping and colonization WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #19
See Post Eight Above, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2020 #20
What's nice about invoking and twisting a victim's name as an insult? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #22
What It Does, Ma'am, Among Other Things, Is Knock a Tool From The Enemy's Hand The Magistrate Sep 2020 #24
Using white supremacy to attack someone else for white supremacy is hardly "knocking a tool." WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #28
We Have Nothing Further To Say To One Another On This Matter, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2020 #29
I disagree. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #38
I Appreciate Your Making My Points For Me, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2020 #43
The Magistrate, for as precise a writer you are, you read a lot of things that just aren't there. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #48
Of Course One Addresses The Audience, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2020 #53
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #55
It is I believe, a fair use of Horatian satire LanternWaste Sep 2020 #31
If nothing else, I just think it sounds silly. cwydro Sep 2020 #36
Right? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #49
Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #45
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #50
+1 leftstreet Sep 2020 #46
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #51
Agree. nt PunkinPi Sep 2020 #52
She was kidnapped apparently treestar Sep 2020 #54
HAW hadEnuf Sep 2020 #25
So Do I, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #30
MacBrokie or Von Brokie whistler162 Sep 2020 #32
If this were his draft-dodging grandfather, it probably would be: Broke-A-HunAss TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #34
Not Bad, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #35
I like twitter-pated orange. Cerridwen Sep 2020 #39
"Old Dumb and Broke" should be his theme song from now on. honest.abe Sep 2020 #40

obamanut2012

(26,069 posts)
7. Can we please not do this?
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:10 PM
Sep 2020

This is as awful as the slur against Warren. It is using the name of a trafficked, abused Native woman as a slur/joke/etc.

We are better than this.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
8. That Attitude, Sir, Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:16 PM
Sep 2020

Politics is not some community theater for display of one's superior moral virtue. It is the business of seeing who does what to whom, and at what price and profit. People who do not understand this, or refuse to understand it, need to find some other hobby to pass their time.

The usage strikes me as a good one. It subverts a line pressed by the enemy, and does it in a way that ties in to the public display of bankruptcy and fraud the chief target presently suffers from. It will force a grin from even most of who support broke-a-hontas.

scrabblequeen40

(334 posts)
26. It's empowering to take back "Pocahontas" from the orange buffoon
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:22 PM
Sep 2020

It's funny, and a knife twist at the same time.

Johnny2X2X

(19,061 posts)
15. He's not broke
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:09 PM
Sep 2020

His assets can be sold easily to pay his debt.

He’s a fraud, but he’s still likely worth $Billions.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
17. They Are Liable To Seized For His Debt, Sir
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:15 PM
Sep 2020

If encumbered, it is not properly an asset. Further, a forced sale never nets a price anywhere near honest book value. It is like expecting to get for a diamond ring at a pawnshop what you paid the jeweler for it. The man basically kites checks on a colossal scale.

scrabblequeen40

(334 posts)
27. Yes. He is. Broke.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:24 PM
Sep 2020

When your assets don't cover your liabilities -- to us who live in the real world and play monopoly -- it means you are BROKE.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
19. I think people can do better than to use the name of a victim of rape, kidnapping and colonization
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:39 PM
Sep 2020

as the basis of an insult.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
22. What's nice about invoking and twisting a victim's name as an insult?
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:49 PM
Sep 2020
Politics is not some community theater for display of one's superior moral virtue.
Don't I know it.

It is the business of seeing who does what to whom, and at what price and profit. People who do not understand this, or refuse to understand it, need to find some other hobby to pass their time.
Here's what I see: White people using a Native woman's childhood nickname to insult a powerful white man, at no cost to him, and at continuing cost to the Indigenous people of this land who are routinely treated as two-dimensional mascots and whose cultures are treated as costumes and jokes.

The usage strikes me as a good one. It subverts a line pressed by the enemy, and does it in a way that ties in to the public display of bankruptcy and fraud the chief target presently suffers from. It will force a grin from even most of who support broke-a-hontas.
Reusing a racist insult against the person who used it in the first place is not subversive at all. If we're not worried about "moral virtue," why not go all-out and call Trump a broke-ass n-word? He would TOTALLY hate it and even his most ardent supporters would be forced to grin.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
24. What It Does, Ma'am, Among Other Things, Is Knock a Tool From The Enemy's Hand
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:02 PM
Sep 2020

The 'pocohontas' nonesense aimed at Sen Warren is offensive, and is intended to be. The intent is not so much to indulge in a racist slur, but to press a false charge of dishonesty. There is no doubt Sen. Warren did learn as childhood lore that her family was part Cherokee (it is a very common belief in Oklahoma), and that any time she did mention it, she did so in good faith. I was raised with family lore that one ancestor fought for the Confederacy in the Shenandoah under Stonewall Jackson, and was the youngest major in that army. My son has a genealogy bug, and on researching the question discovered that said ancestor was in fact the youngest sergeant-major in Sheridan's army in the Shenandoah (where Jackson most famously operated, though he was dead before Sheridan held Union command there). Prior to that, I had certainly on occasion said my ancestry included a Confederate officer. I did not lie, or intend any deception in doing so.

The sounds are similar enough that, to any familiar with a 'broke-a-hontas' usage, it would be certainly called to mind by a cry of 'pocohontas'. It provokes laughter, and laughter induces and communicates scorn.

Put bluntly, I do not think the rest of it requires or deserves engagement. The long dead are dead and remain dead, unaffected by the affairs of the living, and untouchable by them.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
28. Using white supremacy to attack someone else for white supremacy is hardly "knocking a tool."
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:32 PM
Sep 2020
The 'pocohontas' nonesense aimed at Sen Warren is offensive, and is intended to be. The intent is not so much to indulge in a racist slur, but to press a false charge of dishonesty.
By using a racist slur.

The sounds are similar enough that, to any familiar with a 'broke-a-hontas' usage, it would be certainly called to mind by a cry of 'pocohontas'. It provokes laughter, and laughter induces and communicates scorn. Put bluntly, I do not think the rest of it requires or deserves engagement. The long dead are dead and remain dead, unaffected by the affairs of the living, and untouchable by them.
Weaponizing Indigenous identity is a shit look no matter who does it, or when, or for whatever reason.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
29. We Have Nothing Further To Say To One Another On This Matter, Ma'am
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 04:39 PM
Sep 2020

I consider your view foolish because it is destructive to your own stated ends, in terms of securing mass support for political figures and a political climate more favorable to goals you desire. You seem to imagine you can carry some weight by accusing me of some sort of crypto-bigotry. I doubt your mind can be either changed or opened, and you are certainly not going to convince me of some error in my ways or expression. It is a shame, because it seems we do agree on a number of matters, in terms of the outcomes we desire. Still, there does not seem to be any help for it.

Be well, and stay safe.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
38. I disagree.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:28 PM
Sep 2020
I consider your view foolish because it is destructive to your own stated ends, in terms of securing mass support for political figures and a political climate more favorable to goals you desire.
Nowhere have I stated any support for any political figure. Nor do I believe that the political system will dismantle white supremacy.

You seem to imagine you can carry some weight by accusing me of some sort of crypto-bigotry.
That's the second assumption you've made about me in two sentences, and it's a lazy look for you. There's no accusation. "Pocahontas" can and is used as a racist slur. Variations on the name are also racist.

I doubt your mind can be either changed or opened, and you are certainly not going to convince me of some error in my ways or expression.
That's fine. I go hard to play to the seats in the back a lot.

It is a shame, because it seems we do agree on a number of matters, in terms of the outcomes we desire. Still, there does not seem to be any help for it.
We've certainly gone around on a couple of topics. It happens.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
43. I Appreciate Your Making My Points For Me, Ma'am
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

As well as keeping this up in the listings.

You have clarified one point. In courtesy I refrained from stating you were accusing me of indulging in open bigotry, but it seems you are willing to state so openly. I do not mind, as I am quite aware of my own views, and of how ludicrous the allegation is.

It seems you are directly stating that nothing you desire can be gained through the political system. I have no particular objection to a revolutionist outlook as regards content, but am aware of a good many practical obstacles which render it a pipe dream, and effort tuned to it a waste of good oxygen and proteins. At bottom, you seem to come to down to the old insistence that no bread is better than half a loaf. Double or nothing is a decent cry in a game of dice, but not in efforts to improve the lives of people in a society beset by numerous ills.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,334 posts)
48. The Magistrate, for as precise a writer you are, you read a lot of things that just aren't there.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 06:57 PM
Sep 2020
In courtesy I refrained from stating you were accusing me of indulging in open bigotry, but it seems you are willing to state so openly.
I...appreciate the courtesy, I guess? But I'm not insulted to be accused of accusing someone of indulging in open bigotry. But I mean...if you say something racist, what are the rest of us supposed to think?

It seems you are directly stating that nothing you desire can be gained through the political system.
Again, I said nothing of the kind. I said the political system will not dismantle white supremacy. That's all.

As well as keeping this up in the listings.
As I say, I play to the ones in the back rows.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
53. Of Course One Addresses The Audience, Ma'am
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 07:07 PM
Sep 2020



"During the comedic performance, some laughter was heard in the rear rows, leading to this critic's belief some jokes were being told back there."
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. It is I believe, a fair use of Horatian satire
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 04:49 PM
Sep 2020

in which social and cultural vices are mirrored back to their origins with minor twists resulting in great mockery.

This has been done to great effect by satirists such as Twain, Voltaire, Dickens, and even Sarah Silverman, when an extreme position is, via the mechanism of minor changes, is illustrated to be the garbage it is.



"In satire, irony is militant" - Northrup Frye.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
36. If nothing else, I just think it sounds silly.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:12 PM
Sep 2020

Surely we can be original rather than copying one of his ugly stereotypical insults.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
35. Not Bad, Sir
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sep 2020

In idle moments I blame the Bavarian monarchy --- if they'd let the pimp back in, we'd never have heard of this wretch.

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