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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe New Yorker article. And a Seth Abramson comment.
The 27 Sept. 2020 issue of The New Yorker is out. And in there is an article about should-have-been-strangled-at-birth Republican icon, James Baker. Who thinks the orange, infantile, unspeakable disgrace is nuts - but he voted for him anyway. And will soon do so again. So eff that guy.
But it's down a bit in The New Yorker piece is this paragraph, one that caught Seth Abramson's attention:
"The next time (Baker) recalled hearing much about Trump was a couple of years later, when Baker was stepping down from the Cabinet to manage (George H.) Bushs campaign for President, in 1988. Trump sent word through Bushs campaign adviser Lee Atwater offering himself up as a Vice-Presidential running mate - a proposal that Bush dismissed as strange and unbelievable, an assessment Baker shared."
What? 1988? About which Seth Abramson wrote:
"So I don't care about hearing unprincipled tripe from a shameful Trump apologist like James Baker. What I am interested in in this article, is the revelation that less than 24 months after he returned from a KGB-sponsored trip to Moscow - Donald Trump tried to become Vice-President of the United States!
...after Trump returned from Moscow the KGB "stepped up its spying campaign against him...targeting him to gain information about the 'upper echelons of the U.S. government.'" And what was Trump doing? Trying to become Vice President of the United States!"
And I'm with Seth!! So I dug a bit deeper. From some other sources:
Still the Soviet Union, in 1984 General Kryuchkov, the head of the First Chief Directorate responsible for gathering foreign intelligence, was dissatisfied with the intelligence it was getting from the field, especially its lack of success recruiting US citizens. Toward that objective he directed KGB officers to make bolder use of material incentives, i.e., money. And use flattery, an important tool. (And guess who comes along and vulnerable to both...?)
OK. How do we know this? General Kryuchkov put his instructions to his KGB heads of station in a memo - dated February 1, 1984 - with instructions that it was to be destroyed right after reading.
Oops!!
The KGB head in Great Britain copied them and passed them to - British intelligence. And those memos were published in a book in 1991. You can buy it and read those memos yourself!
KGB HQ advised its field agents what to look for in a successful recruitment of prominent figures in the West. The directorates aim was to draw the target into some form of collaboration with us. Suggested first tactic? Invite a target to lunch. If the target is responsive, he would become a subject of deep study," a file would be built up supplemented by official and covert material. (There were other questions, too: what was the likelihood that the subject could come to power (occupy the post of president or prime minister?)
Jesus.
In Trump's shitty book, The Art of the Deal, Trump describes a meeting with the Soviet ambassador to the U.N. At lunch, in New York in the fall of 1986. Gee? A lunch, you say? Three months later, The Art of the Deal:
In January 1987, I got a letter from Yuri Dubinin, the Soviet ambassador to the United States... (who) had expressed interest in pursuing a joint venture to construct and manage a hotel in Moscow.
"....draw the target into some form of collaboration with us. Bingo!
He was invited to Moscow to discuss this "collaboration". The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB.
Six months later (on the 4th of July of all days) Trump flew to Moscow. He was put up in Lenins suite at the National Hotel, a KGB hotel. With the cameras rolling...
(N.B.: 1987 is also the year Trump met and palled around with - Jeffrey Epstein. And the Russians definitely had a dossier on him! Probably the photos and videos being the leverage the Russians would have over Trump.)
Seth wrote that it was less than 24 months after Trump returned from Moscow in July of 1987 that he tried to become VP. In looking at the dates and the time Baker stepped down from Treasury, he was right that it was less than 24-months. It was 14.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)AZ8theist
(5,524 posts)Nobody wanted to listen. The rubes thought he was a "brilliant business man".
All of us back in the tri state area knew this was bullshit. We KNEW he was a cheap con man and in deep do-do with the Russian mob.
The only thing "brilliant " about this imbecile was the con job he pulled on America.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)trump/gotti stories?
AZ8theist
(5,524 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Grins
(7,246 posts)But I think I got it from David Cay Johnston.
But more than Gotti, Trump was in with Philadelphia mob boss, 'Little Nicky' Scarfo of the Genovese and Lucchese crime families. Nicky, being particularly violent mobster, was once tried for for murder. He was acquitted. Because South Philly mobster, Jimmy 'the Brute' DiNatale, who was named 26 times in a New Jersey Organized Crime Commission report, provided him with an alibi.
And who is Jimmy 'the Brute' DiNatale's granddaughter? Kellyanne Conway. Yup! The Bowling Green massacre survivor herself!
To complete that picture, Salvy Testa and Frank Narducci Jr., who were hitmen for 'Little Nicky', owned a 5,000-square-foot lot in Atlantic City they had bought for $195,000. Five years later they sold it for $1.1 million - a mere 564% appreciation - to Trump.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Bubble up to the top...the strategy of Lee Atwater continues..until we stop it - Nov 3rd..GOTV..
Thanks for this Grins..important read...
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,167 posts)Coupled with a for profit news media, the odds are always against us.
Fix the tax code.
Fix the news media
Fix a broken America.
Me.
(35,454 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)The Magistrate
(95,264 posts)"Not enough for conviction, but more than enough to break knees in an alley."
dameatball
(7,400 posts)Danmel
(4,932 posts)You know what Jim, fuck you back
https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/04/the-bush-family-and-the-jews.amp
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Which may meet the Constitutional Criteria for its definition of Treason. Hmm...
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)it drives me crazy that so many people in our politics and media choose to ignore it.
TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN ASSET/AGENT, FFS
BComplex
(8,080 posts)That may be why Putin is messing with trump right now.
LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)I think probably Putin is pretty happy about the death, chaos and division here in the US under trump but may not be happy in terms of his larger geopolitical goals, like getting sanctions removed
ancianita
(36,190 posts)Just the VP story alone is jarring.
It shows just how long Russia's been committed to going after the West by going after what was its most powerful country.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)What is the book from 1991 with the KGB memo published in it called?
Can you cite the source of this below
The KGB head in Great Britain copied them and passed them to - British intelligence. And those memos were published in a book in 1991. You can buy it and read those memos yourself!
KGB HQ advised its field agents what to look for in a successful recruitment of prominent figures in the West. The directorates aim was to draw the target into some form of collaboration with us. Suggested first tactic? Invite a target to lunch. If the target is responsive, he would become a subject of deep study," a file would be built up supplemented by official and covert material. (There were other questions, too: what was the likelihood that the subject could come to power (occupy the post of president or prime minister?)
Grins
(7,246 posts)I also found this Politico article that pretty much shares your research
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)an ex-executive at Trump Plaza Casino on Trump. He worked for Trump from 1987- 1990 and described a scene of Trump getting off a plane from Moscow and driving straight to the casino. O'Donnell said he was dumbfounded because the first words out of Trump's mouth were about how NATO needed to be broken up and other foreign policy stuff ; he'd never heard Trump mention any of this stuff before. Their conversations were always about business. O'Donnell wrote this book in 1991. It's called Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald TrumpHis Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)I think that Putin gets some pleasure out of making Americans grovel to him on our independence day.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)Given his longstanding role as Bush family consigliere.
Mira
(22,380 posts)is simply "Agent Orange"
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Very interesting read and I don't doubt a bit of it.
ffr
(22,676 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Extensive documentation of Donnie's Mob ties from birth, to the Gambino and Genovese crime families. Now it's Russian and Ukrainian mobsters that own him. She even goes back to Fred Trump Sr., Meyer Lansky and Al Capone. "The FBI has tapes!"
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