"Trump resigns. Pence pardons him" . . . . . . . really?

[Stinky The Clown]

What's in it for Pence?

Serious question. What does Pence get out of this plan? Politically, it will kill him. So what is it? Money? A personality? A Mother replacement in Russian blonde?

Really . . . . . what's in it for Pence?

[Le Roi de Pot]

1. will nice if the following happens

Trump resigns after getting a promise to get a pardon.

Pence becomes president.

Pence refuses to meet Trump or take his calls.

[duforsure]

8. trump doesn't like or trust Pence

So I don't think he would do that. He'll threaten to expose other Presidents by releasing things to use to hurt them with, to get off. He'll threaten to try to get a deal, which I don't think that should ever be done, or others will do that too, but he'll try.

[keithbvadu2]

26. Earlier articles noted that the Trumps did not trust Pence because he was not blood (family).

[LisaM]

2. This is really different from Nixon.

Nixon was able to barter that Ford would be President for the rest of his term. Trump has no such bargaining chip to offer (unless, God forbid, he wins again).

[RockRaven]

3. A hell of a lot of legal bills from white collar criminal defense attorneys?

He'd be subjected to a long and invasive investigation regarding public corruption and bribery. The quid pro quo in that scenario is glaringly obvious on its face, and Trump would likely not be able to resist announcing it to the world within the first two weeks.

[Laelth]

4. You make a good point.

It would be utterly satisfying for Trump to resign, in hopes of a pardon, and for Pence to refuse to do it. That would be magnificent.

-Laelth

[andym]

5. Trump love dominates the core of the GOP, so Pence gets their undying gratitude if he pardons

The base of that party controls it. If Trump was convicted of crimes, he will be seen as a martyr. Pence would have no choice but to pardon.

[live love laugh]

6. Won't work

There are crimes still being investigated that he cannot yet be pardoned for.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Nixon was pardoned for crimes known and unknown.

[madinmaryland]

12. Federal crimes only. NYS can still go after the cabal.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I think we all know that. This thread is about Pence and federal matters

Same was true for Nixon.

[TheRealNorth]

23. I don't think that legal theory has been tested yet.

my understanding is that by taking a pardon, its an admission of guilt for the crime, and I dont know how you can admit guilt for a crime (or crimes) that have not been disclosed at the time of the pardon.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. Probably correct. Not tested, but according to Wikipedia:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (formally known as Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974. By it, Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2] In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal. In a televised broadcast to the nation, Ford, who had succeeded to the presidency upon Nixon's resignation, explained that he felt the pardon was in the best interests of the country and that the Nixon family's situation was "a tragedy in which we all have played a part. It could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. I have concluded that only I can do that, and if I can, I must."[3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

[Raven123]

7. Pence can only reflexively follow. Unable to think for himself.

[uriel1972]

19. maybe, but maybe someone other than Trump

is doing hos thinking for him.

[Siwsan]

9. Maybe to keep what ever trump* has in the dossier on him sealed?

That's always my 'go to' theory on why people won't turn on him.

[Coleman]

11. What would he get

RNC support and funding to run or the Senate. Support of Trumputin's base. Support of Putin for a run for Prez in 2024.

The good part is if Vance actually does his job and indict Trumperstein, because a presidential pardon doesn't cover state crimes like tax fraud, money laundering ...

[Wounded Bear]

13. Why would Trump care about how it "benefits" Pence...?

Trump cares about Trump.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. . . . . which goes back to the question in the OP

[CincyDem]

14. What's in it for Pence is legacy.

1) He will forever be the 46th President of the United States. He joins an elite club of amazing leaders and despicable scoundrels.

2) The undying gratitude of the Republican party who will be desperate to cover up overt complicity and corruption.

3) A nice cushy lobbying job as thanks...that will include a pension and all the trappings. He will live a life of relative luxury without a care in the world.

If you think Mike can't be bought...as they say...you don't know Mike.

[OneBro]

15. Putin has Trump in one had and Pence in the other.

Since Trump is more likely to start spilling his sour guts in lock-up, it is in the best interest of the Republican Party that Trump get a full pardon on federal crimes. Of course, that primes the states to prosecute him, so Trump would be on the first plane to Russia where he will live in obscurity until it's convenient for Putin to give him the Navalny treatment.

[Roland99]

17. Won't protect him from state charges

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I think we all know that.

[PTWB]

20. Trump will pardon himself and his family.

He doesn’t need Pence.

Their real criminal liability will be in State courts. When Trump is in Attica we can get Orange is the New Black v2.

[ace3csusm]

22. Trump will Pardon Pence first then resign (Pence is deep with his own scandals),

I always come back to the RNC hacked servers and how none of those emails where never released. Yet you have all these republicans still stand by trump, they are all compromised... Before Trump resigns he will pardon everyone to heal the country, and then resign, Once Pence is president he will pardon trump, to also heal the country...

[TheRealNorth]

25. I agree

thats the ace in the hole that the Russians (and by extension, Trump) has over the GOP.

I suspect the Russians got really juicy things on Ron Johnson. The WI Republicans were running the RNC at the time of the hack.

[ace3csusm]

27. Wasnt Ron Johnson one of the Senat members that went to Russia of 4 of July a couple years ago

He for sure is compromised ... I hope eventually it all comes out and they need to made examples of , make them walk the streets with signs i am a traitor on his way to prison...

[BannonsLiver]

24. He receives the devotion of the deplorables

He’s planning on a 2024 run.

[Renew Deal]

28. Nothing is in it for Pence, but it's not about Pence

Pence can't run for president for a few years. He gets to be president now. He would probably go for that.

[Midnightwalk]

29. Politically pence is done

He’s too boring to ever run for President. Even senator is unlikely. I don’t think hoosiers would elect him to senator or governor.

His future is speaking gigs and lobbying jobs. Maybe some republican president would nominate him to the supreme court. Sorry to say that last bit.

His motivation is being considered “in with the cool kids” at the top of the gop and business. At least as much as mother allows him to.

[MineralMan]

30. Pence gets to be #46 for a short time.

History books. Lists of Presidents. Given his modest intellect, that would probably be enough reward for him.

President Pence. Sounds nice, if you're Pence, even if it's only for three months.

If Trump loses the election, he will resign and scarper, I'm certain. Pence will pardon him, too, as payment for getting to be President for a couple of months.

A little reward that comes at no cost to him.

[budkin]

31. He absolutely adores Trump

So it will fill him with a deep sense of satisfaction the rest of his life!