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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:51 AM Jan 2012

Jay Paterno was quoted on GMA as saying that JoePa

can't wait to tell his side of the story. Jay said everybody should wait until the trial and when everybody can speak.

He also said that he couldn't condemn Sandusky because as Americans, people are innocent until proven guilty. He continued in an aggrieved tone about the unfairness and sacrifice his father and others have had to make.

First of all, they apparently think the grand jury transcript is fiction. JoePa said he knew something of a sexual nature had happened after he talked to McQueary. He didn't tell anyone right away because he didn't want to ruin their weekends. I have read that JoePa is claiming that the transcript is wrong.

As far as Sandusky goes, he was caught on tape telling a mother that he had done something wrong to her son. Then there is what McQueary testified he saw. Regardless of all his different stories, his testimony under oath has never wavered.

I have no idea of the legal ramifications for JoePa. There may not be any, but he is morally culpable. Once he talked to McQueary he should have taken action immediately. In addition, he should have followed up to make sure something was done because of the egregious nature of the allegations. JoePa certainly never let up when a player was accused of something.

Sandusky should be in jail. In SC, there is a former coach who was given over 1 million dollars bail for 5 charges. He has gotten off lightly compared to many.

They seem to have forgotten that they are not the victims! Those kids have had to live with this for a long time, and it never goes away. The damage that was done to them cannot be fixed. It can only be moderated if they are lucky.

I suggest they all STFU! I think everybody has heard enough until the trial.

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Jay Paterno was quoted on GMA as saying that JoePa (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 OP
They should all get the opportunity to tell their side of the story lunatica Jan 2012 #1
I agree lillypaddle Jan 2012 #2
Pardon my french because I am a survivor and a woman my mother raised to Ecumenist Jan 2012 #3
i hope you have joy forever, honey. roguevalley Jan 2012 #11
I can make a list of both criminal and civil actions against JoePa no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #4
Why is all the rage focused on Paterno? PVnRT Jan 2012 #5
They're All Responsible... KharmaTrain Jan 2012 #6
My rage is focused in at Paterno in this case Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #8
Because nobody in University Leadership went on record (repeatedly) to say TalkingDog Jan 2012 #9
fuck joe paterno and his criminal sports enterprise. spanone Jan 2012 #7
It's going to be ugly. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #10

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. They should all get the opportunity to tell their side of the story
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jan 2012

I'm all for that. But I think they're not. Not really. Right now it's all image control and damage control. The truth be damned.

lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
2. I agree
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jan 2012

they should STFU. Sick fuckers, all of them, and no sense at all of what this did to the real victims. Selfish bastards, too.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
3. Pardon my french because I am a survivor and a woman my mother raised to
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012

be a "lady" but WHAT THE FUCK could JoePa say? Little children were being serially raped on HIS WATCH and more than one of his staff KNEW what was happening and nobody fucking bothered to go to the police. What I want to know is why McQueary didn't pull that pervert off that little boy, rip his d#ck off with his bare hands and stomped it into mush? My husband told me that had he walked in on Sandusky doing what he was doing, the police would have been notified and would have had to send a "meat wagon", because there's no way that man would have walked away from raping that boy in one piece.

E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E failed those boys from the misguided rioting students to the Boardmembers, who all were more concerned about the sports program and the money that it brought in. I'll tell you what, if my child were one of those sweet young men, I would soon own Penn State. Rape my CHILD? Fuck, Sandusky would come up missing. I was raped as a child and I am just now realising the LASTING damage it does.

I don't give a good G-d damn, (I don't mean to disrespect anyone with my comment), but damn? REALLY?? What the fuck could ANYONE involved in this mess say that would excuse their part in ENABLING this perverted sumbitch that would assuage their culpability? I know that given the chance, I would slap the shit out of each one of them. What could they say?

And yes, Grits ARE Serious GROCERIES for alot of people Especially, if they're accompanied by scrambeld eggs, with cheese & scallions, linguica and buttermilk biscuits! Oh yeah, butter and sugar on the grits...(My mom was from Tulsa, Oklahoma)

no_hypocrisy

(46,178 posts)
4. I can make a list of both criminal and civil actions against JoePa
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jan 2012

Criminal:
Either aiding and abetting or facilitation (latter is negligently allowing a criminal act to occur without taking affirmative action to stop it).
Conspiracy after the fact

Civil:
Negligent hiring
Negligent supervision
Negligent infliction of emotional distress
Negligence

PVnRT

(13,178 posts)
5. Why is all the rage focused on Paterno?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jan 2012

I find it amusing that no one seems to be angry at the University leadership, who seemed quite content to find new and interesting ways to bury this. Or the President, who recently instructed his staff to "control the narrative" in order to avoid refunding any donations.

And before anyone accuses me of letting him off the hook, no, I don't think he should be left off the hook. My point is that successful coverups need powerful people for them to work.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
6. They're All Responsible...
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:48 AM
Jan 2012

I hold no distinction between JoePa or anyone else in this criminal enterprise. If they knew that Sandusky was messing around with boys...ON UNIVERSITY PROPERTY...no less...and did nothing, they're complicit in his crimes. I don't care how many games JoePa won or how 'great' a coach he was or how 'clean' the program was...the fact he allowed this predator to operate and have known so for more than a decade his hands are dirty. Even moreso...was a director of Sundusky's predatory "charity"!

EVERYONE involved with that football program cover-up...administrators, coaches, tutors et all who knew that this went on should be immediately fired and, if warranted, brought up on criminal charges. And where the fuck is the NCAA...the "overseers" of college "sports" . If they had a scant amount of decency, they'd suspend this program pending a complete investigation. Yes...suspend the program and allow any athlete who wants to transfer to do so without losing any elligibility. There should be ZERO tollerance to pedophilia...especially in this context. Shame on all of them for putting money and ego ahead of moral decency and the law.

Disgusting...

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
8. My rage is focused in at Paterno in this case
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jan 2012

because it involved Jay. As far as I'm concerned, the FB program should be shut down and purged of everybody who is associated with Paterno and/or Sandusky. I say Paterno because his power in the whole university is apparently immense.

He told his players at one point not to cooperate with a vp of the university who was investigating a problem. When the Preident and AD went to talk to him about whether he should coach or not, he in effect said,'Get off my lawn.'

Apparently the legal system in Centre County is affected too. Governor Corbett is in it up to his neck. Happy Valley is more of an insular, separate, and different entity than a lot of places.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
9. Because nobody in University Leadership went on record (repeatedly) to say
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:22 AM
Jan 2012

Things like:

"Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy."

or

"Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good."

Former Athletic Director Ed Czekaj - Joe Pa’s philosophy is that, “If you take care of the little things, the big things will take care of themselves.”

Paterno wielded more influence in Happy Valley than the school's entire leadership team. Penn State football made more than $53 million in profit in the year before the scandal broke. $$$ = turn a blind eye towards Sandusky's crimes. Despite years of accusations about Sandusky, the Penn State's leadership team (including Paterno, who hypocritically preached an entirely different message to his "Happy Valley&quot stayed silent for fear of damaging the too-big-to-fail brand that football built.

He set himself up as THE model of All-American do-right, ethics in the manly art of football. And he reveled in his role as leader, not just of a football team, but of an entire "HAPPY VALLEY". He was a throwback to the 1950's everybody wanted to remember. What came along with that was the 1950's nobody wanted to remember. When poverty, social status and race made you a piece of meat for an influential white man's consumption. And white man's cronyism got you a pass, even if you were a monster of the highest order.

University leaders never denied they were in it for the money. They never promoted themselves as anything other than bean counters. They never purposefully built a level of trust with every person who came to the school -either as a student or as an employee. Only to use that trust as a wall to hide horrific deeds.

"...successful coverups need powerful people for them to work" Exactly. Joe Paterno literally and figuratively had more power than any person at that school. The greater the power, the greater the culpability. And that is why he is getting the lion's share of the blame.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
10. It's going to be ugly.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jan 2012

And it's going to undermine any good that collegiate sports have done for college kids for the past 25 years for many years to come.
I think the Penn State football program should have been given the death penalty by the NCAA, but evidently they didn't think that was warranted.

SMU came back after their scandal, so we know it can be done.

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