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The Lincoln Project as soon as the election is over (Original Post) diva77 Oct 2020 OP
WRONG. This is not true. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #1
Where do they stand on all the court packing that's been going on? What about ACB nomination? diva77 Oct 2020 #4
I have not heard them talk about any of those topics. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #10
This past week on their podcast they called out the Republicans womanofthehills Oct 2020 #28
As you can imagine, Big Blue Marble Oct 2020 #12
They think the race to confirm ACB is vile. Podcasts & tweets confirm it. catbyte Oct 2020 #41
I especially worry because they were all right to lifers questionseverything Oct 2020 #42
Not true. They may be against abortion but they think Roe v Wade should stand. catbyte Oct 2020 #44
And they support the ACA. catbyte Oct 2020 #45
Their mouths are closed because they are fine with RWNJ judges. we can do it Oct 2020 #49
There's no point in them discussing the Barrett nomination, that's a done deal and a waste of time.. George II Oct 2020 #54
They're all for it melman Oct 2020 #61
Some people are under the delusion BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #17
A point of fact for you melm00se Oct 2020 #56
Thanks for the historical perspective BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #57
I hope so. I suspect all republicans though will disavow trump on Nov. 4... brush Oct 2020 #19
Not true My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #2
Steve and Rick are not going back to the Republican party vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #3
I believe they will get their needs (special interests) taken care of as best they can diva77 Oct 2020 #7
Because no one in the Republican Party will pay them Sympthsical Oct 2020 #13
Maybe I am wrong, but I am not sure about that DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #5
Talk about bad timing. dchill Oct 2020 #6
+ struggle4progress Oct 2020 #65
My hope is they will burn down the GOP, and then start a Conservative party with conscience. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #8
That is their stated goal, as it happens Hekate Oct 2020 #20
Funny how none of them were bothered by the GOP of GWB and Cheney melman Oct 2020 #23
I see a lot of people complaining about them without trying to learn more about them.... George II Oct 2020 #59
That's essentially their long-term objective. George II Oct 2020 #53
'Never working in Republican politics again' to me means... pecosbob Oct 2020 #9
Not True. Cha Oct 2020 #11
No, they still will have an agenda Big Blue Marble Oct 2020 #14
They recently moved all their people to Utah into one location. brush Oct 2020 #15
Their ain't no going back to the Republican Party as it is currently constituted. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2020 #16
Why, with Trump still in office and down-ballot races in the balance Mr. Ected Oct 2020 #18
Don't we have an election to win? Maybe we could focus on that? Hekate Oct 2020 #21
Really. Mahalo! Oh & I would like to Thank Cha Oct 2020 #24
I think they know what they're doing. Some people still don't get it that we Dems are not... Hekate Oct 2020 #30
You take care, too... Cha Oct 2020 #36
I think a lot of people are just sore because they're better at messaging than we are BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #22
Ben Rosen's twitter sure is full of socialists! Budi Oct 2020 #29
I wondered about who this guy is.. Cha Oct 2020 #37
Yup. I always check the twitter page of an unfamiliar name. Budi Oct 2020 #39
Rick Wilson admits he really knows how to get under Trump's skin womanofthehills Oct 2020 #31
True. If the Democrats put out these same ads they wouldn't have the same effect on Republicans ... Budi Oct 2020 #33
Focusing your attentions on TLP is not helping Biden get elected. TeamPooka Oct 2020 #25
I don't think this OP will change the results of the election. And I am extremely glad they are diva77 Oct 2020 #27
I sure am enjoying the Lincoln Project adds and their podcasts womanofthehills Oct 2020 #32
They have gained a respectable following because they are correct. Budi Oct 2020 #34
Their stated goal is to go after Trumpists in 2022. roamer65 Oct 2020 #26
This tweet only re-enforces your own biases. And lack of foresight, OnDoutside Oct 2020 #35
TY.. yes they have said that. TLP Cha Oct 2020 #38
Whoever drew this has not been paying attention. They're in the fight for the long haul. catbyte Oct 2020 #40
I know.. it's so misinformed.. Cha Oct 2020 #43
Krusty Celerity Oct 2020 #47
+1,000 myccrider Oct 2020 #64
After the election, who cares what they do? meadowlander Oct 2020 #46
disinformation. mopinko Oct 2020 #48
No matter the election results Trump will still be president GusBob Oct 2020 #50
I disagree. The election will be over but the threat from authoritarianism in octoberlib Oct 2020 #51
There have been extensive interviews with the founders of The Lincoln Project.... George II Oct 2020 #52
I've been watching TLP objectively. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2020 #55
I Think they Would Make Honorable Opponents Going Forward Skraxx Oct 2020 #58
Bullcrap! nt mucifer Oct 2020 #60
Oh For FUCK SAKE !!!!! Le Roi de Pot Oct 2020 #62
right wing grifters melman Oct 2020 #63

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,663 posts)
1. WRONG. This is not true.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:57 AM
Oct 2020

Their mission is not only to get rid of tRump.

They also plan to oust all of his supporters/enablers in the Senate and House.

They will not stop till all these horrible wretches are gone.

diva77

(7,650 posts)
4. Where do they stand on all the court packing that's been going on? What about ACB nomination?
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:00 AM
Oct 2020

amongst other things

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,663 posts)
10. I have not heard them talk about any of those topics.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:07 AM
Oct 2020

Right now, and for the foreseeable future, they want to dump tRump and his enablers. That's a huge job and that's what they want to accomplish.

womanofthehills

(8,740 posts)
28. This past week on their podcast they called out the Republicans
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:49 AM
Oct 2020

For their disgusting behavior in regards to the Garland nomination- just outright lying.

catbyte

(34,415 posts)
41. They think the race to confirm ACB is vile. Podcasts & tweets confirm it.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:02 AM
Oct 2020

And they don't like her either.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. There's no point in them discussing the Barrett nomination, that's a done deal and a waste of time..
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:10 AM
Oct 2020

Like Democrats, they're looking to the future, not dwelling on things they have no control of. The thing is we and they want a government in which something like the last four years, last year especially, will never happen again.

BannonsLiver

(16,415 posts)
17. Some people are under the delusion
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:13 AM
Oct 2020

That if we click our heels three times the opposition will disappear forever and Democrats will have a 100-0 advantage in the senate in perpetuity and every house seat, state legislature and governorship.

Spoiler alert: We won’t ever have that. So if guys like Steve Schmidt want to reconstitute a new center right opposition party I say go for it. I’d rather that be the opposition than the loonies that are dominant now. That way in the future when we lose, and we will lose, because nobody ever wins them all, insane people are not in charge of our government.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
56. A point of fact for you
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:25 AM
Oct 2020

The largest count any one party has had in the House and Senate was during the 75th Congress.

The Democrats held 333 (of 435) House seats and 75 (of 96) Senate seats.

They too got a little complacent after that and lost 71 House seats (down to 262) in the next election.

brush

(53,801 posts)
19. I hope so. I suspect all republicans though will disavow trump on Nov. 4...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:18 AM
Oct 2020

and do what Cornyn did. He said a couple of days ago that he distanced himself from trump privately but just came out publicly.

Repugs have such integrity.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,288 posts)
2. Not true
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:57 AM
Oct 2020

Rick Wilson: "If you ask me what I want, you know, in the future from Congress, ... kook, I want a new Voting Rights Act. I want a new Election Security act. I want An Interference with Elections Act. I want a Federal Civil Service and Ethics Reform Act. Those things. I think they're not ideological anymore. They're like the mechanical repairs that have to be done to keep having a republic. I don't think we can avoid those things.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214276986

diva77

(7,650 posts)
7. I believe they will get their needs (special interests) taken care of as best they can
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:04 AM
Oct 2020

by shifting the Dems until they see the need to jump ship elsewhere

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
5. Maybe I am wrong, but I am not sure about that
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:00 AM
Oct 2020

I've worked and lived with many hardcore Republicans over the years. Almost without exception, they are appalled at the state of affairs. TLP is genuine, and they are 100% our allies for the foreseeable future.

Will they be that way on November 4? I bet they will. If there is a moderation of the Republican party, perhaps they will go back, but that's going to take awhile and sustained efforts by us to moderate the 40% or so RWNJs we have.

November 3 is just the first major battle to win our country back. Please remember that. It's just a step, albeit a giant leap.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. I see a lot of people complaining about them without trying to learn more about them....
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:50 AM
Oct 2020

....how they came about, and what their immediate and long-term objectives are.

Unfortunately they see the names "Steve Schmidt" and "Rick Wilson" and immediately make up their minds about The Lincoln Project.

pecosbob

(7,542 posts)
9. 'Never working in Republican politics again' to me means...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:04 AM
Oct 2020

becoming cable talking heads and joining all the others normalizing the minority's subversion of our government the moment we're done talking about Donald. They will pose as moderates when they are anything but. They're already on all the cable networks...I doubt they're just going to go home and raise orchids. What are they going to talk about when Il Douche is history?

brush

(53,801 posts)
15. They recently moved all their people to Utah into one location.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:11 AM
Oct 2020

I don't know why Utah but they're all together now and I think they'll just become a campaign shop/agency for repug candidates from all over. I think they'll stay away from trumpers. But I imagine all repug candidates will immediately disavow trump after he loses so that'll be that.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,528 posts)
16. Their ain't no going back to the Republican Party as it is currently constituted.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:12 AM
Oct 2020

TLP are never going get work from this GOP, nor do they have any interest in doing so.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
18. Why, with Trump still in office and down-ballot races in the balance
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:17 AM
Oct 2020

Are we focusing on our distrust for TLP?

If we're not willing to accept the help of an ideological foe who was willing to put country before party at the most pivotal moment in recent American history, aren't we just as bad as them, then, in that regard?

We're not marrying them. We're not incorporating them into our politics. We are simply an odd couple working together to put out the fire of fascism. Leave it at that.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
24. Really. Mahalo! Oh & I would like to Thank
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:29 AM
Oct 2020

TLP for All they've Done to Expose trump.

And for putting country and Planet over Party.. which is more than can be said for those 3rd party Idiots like sarandon etc etc.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
30. I think they know what they're doing. Some people still don't get it that we Dems are not...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:58 AM
Oct 2020

... their target audience. As a result, these demands to know why TLP hasn’t addressed this or that issue are quite beside the point.

On the other hand, the Commander In Chief musical video speaks to anyone with a soul, so that’s a big bipartisan reach.

Take care


Cha

(297,446 posts)
36. You take care, too...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:34 AM
Oct 2020


Besides I saw a tweet awhile ago where they had addressed the SCOTUS

Not sure if this is the exact one I saw.. but here's this one..

BannonsLiver

(16,415 posts)
22. I think a lot of people are just sore because they're better at messaging than we are
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:21 AM
Oct 2020

And that they’re willing to get really nasty while doing it. Sanctimonious people who care more about ideological purity than winning usually fall under that umbrella. Ben Rosen, whoever he is, was probably bitching about Joe Biden running away with the primary 7 months ago.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Ben Rosen's twitter sure is full of socialists!
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:57 AM
Oct 2020

Last edited Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Of course they reject groups like The Lincoln Project.

The last thing a fringe 3rd Party wants is a Strong Moderate Center.
(Which is necessary to restore balance to our Democratic Republic.)

A society is most successful when it is governed from the center.

It's as simple as a teeter totter.

I look forward to a Democracy of center based governance.

Joe Biden, " I am not a socialist".
Thank god.

I think we've seen enough political extremism with RW Trump, to be wiser as a society, from here on.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
37. I wondered about who this guy is..
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:36 AM
Oct 2020

I have my suspicions.

It's "Ben" Rosen, though..

TY, Budi.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
39. Yup. I always check the twitter page of an unfamiliar name.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:43 AM
Oct 2020

I check to see who's following, replying & how political they lean.

Tells a lot about them.



Oh ya Ben. Think I had him mixed up with Joe Rogan

😬

womanofthehills

(8,740 posts)
31. Rick Wilson admits he really knows how to get under Trump's skin
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:59 AM
Oct 2020

These guys know Trump and all the people around him. Rick said he particularly hates Bannon as Bannon put Rick’s children ‘s lives in danger. Lots of bad blood.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
33. True. If the Democrats put out these same ads they wouldn't have the same effect on Republicans ...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:14 AM
Oct 2020

..TLP republicans can do it successfully because they know the base they're talking to.

All of the guys at TLP are quite dialed in to the political world. They know there is a big base of Repubs who are fed up with Trump's bs.

Their Party was hijacked by extremists to run foreign oppo on the USA.
Only another fed up Republican can do what TLP is doing.

Bring their Party back to the center.




TeamPooka

(24,237 posts)
25. Focusing your attentions on TLP is not helping Biden get elected.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:30 AM
Oct 2020

It's called "taking your eye off the ball."

diva77

(7,650 posts)
27. I don't think this OP will change the results of the election. And I am extremely glad they are
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:44 AM
Oct 2020

going after Dump. I do, however, think it's important to not put TLP on a pedestal. They represent special interests and the special interests realize that they cannot depend on Dump & his accomplices to do their bidding. Right now, Biden is deciding on who will be in his administration. I just hope that the tentacles of TLP don't reach too far. We already saw some of their influence at the DNC.

womanofthehills

(8,740 posts)
32. I sure am enjoying the Lincoln Project adds and their podcasts
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:02 AM
Oct 2020

You can really learn a lot from their podcasts because these guys have inside info.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
34. They have gained a respectable following because they are correct.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:20 AM
Oct 2020

Trump is as appalling to many Repubs as the rest of us.

And ya gotta admit, their ads are cryptonite to Trump.

It is a pleasure to watch what they do.

OnDoutside

(19,965 posts)
35. This tweet only re-enforces your own biases. And lack of foresight,
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:28 AM
Oct 2020

at the least Wilson and Schmidt have said that the GOP need to be burnt to the ground. There are some who hope that once Trump is gone, everything can return to normal. The reality is that there is going to be an enormous shitfest as the slime like Pompeo, Haley, Rubio etc jockey for the leadership and won't be able to cut the Trumpers out, in fact they'll have to pander to them further with Trump in the background. TLP will be around for a fair time yet, but it is reassuring to know that those on the distant left of the Democratic Party will be there waiting to be proven right.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
38. TY.. yes they have said that. TLP
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:41 AM
Oct 2020

also tweeted this About SCOTUS.

I've read posts saying TLP hasn't addressed SCOTUS at all. Just because they haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.


catbyte

(34,415 posts)
40. Whoever drew this has not been paying attention. They're in the fight for the long haul.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:59 AM
Oct 2020

This whole us vs them, "we're righteous and they're evil" tribalism has got to stop. I disagree with almost everything traditional Republicans stand for, but they're not evil. And they object to more gop policies than just support for trump. This makes me sad.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
46. After the election, who cares what they do?
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:17 AM
Oct 2020

I certainly don't. I have enough to worry about and work on for the next two weeks without sweating how Steve Schmidt intends to pay the bills next year.

Can we keep our eyes on the current existential crisis please?

mopinko

(70,170 posts)
48. disinformation.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:47 AM
Oct 2020

back in the day, someone would have alerted on this post, mods would have kicked it around, and ultimately decided that you were getting your butt kicked well enough that we didnt need to do anything about it.

but make no mistake, you are supporting the wrong side here.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
50. No matter the election results Trump will still be president
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:48 AM
Oct 2020

Until next year

And I bet TLP will continue pounding him and the issues

Poor Ben so wrong

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
51. I disagree. The election will be over but the threat from authoritarianism in
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:00 AM
Oct 2020

the Republican party won't be. I believe they'll continue the Lincoln Project as a pro-Democracy organization. Wilson said he feels liberated not working for the Republican party anymore. He's also got his gig as an executive editor over at the Daily Beast. I also expect to see some of them working on Dem campaigns in red and purple states and districts. Reed Galen said if Democrats ask , he'll be open to working with them. George Conway, who quit the Project due to his daughter ,is the only one I can see sticking with the party. He's the most conservative out of all of them.

George II

(67,782 posts)
52. There have been extensive interviews with the founders of The Lincoln Project....
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:07 AM
Oct 2020

Their immediate focus is on ridding us of trump and the Senators who most closely back him (Graham, Ernst, Hyde-Smith, etc.) The long-term goal is to reshape the republican party to where it was 30 or 40 years ago. But they've admitted they will never again work in the republican party as it is today.

There's a lot more to them than just what we've seen in ads the last two months or so, well worth looking into.

Unlike many of those in the House and Senate (and trump), they're Americans first, republicans second.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
55. I've been watching TLP objectively.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:14 AM
Oct 2020

They talk about having a robust two party system, and I believe them. I also agree with them that Trumpism is a cancer that needs to be eradicated from the national political scene. I know it will never really just disappear altogether but the fact that it was allowed to assume the highest office in the land should be reason enough for Americans to dial in and give a shit about all elections.

Their tactics are easily reproducible; there are plenty of talented Democrats who could play them at the same game, should it come to that.

Skraxx

(2,981 posts)
58. I Think they Would Make Honorable Opponents Going Forward
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:48 AM
Oct 2020

If they can reclaim the GOP. They at least care about the country and have some semblance of integrity and honor.

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