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Stallion

(6,474 posts)
2. Here's An Idea Voters-DO NOT MAIL YOUR BALLOTS
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:34 PM
Oct 2020

Its too late. Make a plan and get your damn ballots in by election day. Most saw this coming and Millions have decided to vote in person as a result

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Exactly. Jeez, wish we'd spend all the fretting time on getting your message out.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:39 PM
Oct 2020

And accept no excuses. If you can't get to a drop box or polling place, call your local Democratic office. They'll help.

sir pball

(4,741 posts)
13. I've been going blue in the face preaching that, don't give them a leg on which to challenge!
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:46 PM
Oct 2020

Is the system fucked? Absolutely.

Does it need a massive, comprehensive overhaul? Absolutely.

Is the GOP going to challenge every possible thing they can? Absolutely.

Do we know what they plan on challenging, and are there ways to simply avoid allowing the situation in the first place? In many cases - ABSOLUTEY. Yeah, it's unthinkably appalling (and an extreme case) that someone has to fly from Maryland to Florida to cast a ballot that won't be challenged, but that's the kind of attitude we need to have right now. We can deal with fixing the system later, we just gotta work within it for the next week.

TwilightZone

(25,470 posts)
3. It's a stupid argument.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:34 PM
Oct 2020

They're more concerned about the *appearance* of impropriety than the actual impropriety of false election results.

They really don't get how stupid that sounds, do they?

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
7. "Apparent winner" is an interesting turn of phrase
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:40 PM
Oct 2020

Who determines the “apparent winner”? The media? The candidates themselves?

Because I don’t think “apparent winner” actually means anything at all, does it?

The reality is: you have a bunch of candidates, and then once all the votes have been counted — as per the laws in the state doing the counting — and the SoS certifies the count, then you have a winner.

An “actual winner.”

Where does “apparent winner” fit into that process?

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
12. He's continuing the crap that started with Bush v. Gore
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:45 PM
Oct 2020

where the fricking supreme court ruled in a democracy no less to NOT count the votes because it would harm the apparent winner Bush. Pisses me off that Kavanaugh was part of the mob trying to stop the counting of votes! And now here he is fucking us over with the same shit.

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
14. Right...
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 04:00 PM
Oct 2020

IIRC -- and leaving out all the shenanigans that brought it to this point in the first place -- didn't SCOTUS eventually go with the "apparent winner" in Bush vs. Gore because they were butting right up against the date when the vote had to be certified?

So they essentially said, "We're calling it, Bush is the apparent winner at this point, so he gets to be the actual winner." It came after weeks of counting and recounting votes in a closely monitored process.

(Pretty sure they also included something in there which said, "By the way, these are extreme circumstances and this highly unusual decision should not be considered precedent going forward." )

Anyway, point is that Kavanaugh is saying here that an "apparent winner" can be determined the morning after the election. Which is obviously INSANE. West coast polls don't even close until 11pm ET. Who decides who the "apparent winner" is in that instance?

Fox News? OANN?

WSHazel

(159 posts)
8. Given that Republicans are probably down about 10 points in NC right now
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:41 PM
Oct 2020

Wouldn't they want to count all the ballots possible? They are already losing, why would they want to end the game early?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. State law takes precedence and all our states have 30 days more or less
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:44 PM
Oct 2020

to count votes and certify results. All nonsense to create chaos

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
19. yes they do but the impact will not be huge if cut off is Nov 3rd
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 06:21 AM
Oct 2020

SC can't muscle in the normal vote counting process

Newland56

(73 posts)
15. Drop it off
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 04:11 PM
Oct 2020

It’s time to drop it off
Don’t put it in the mail
Go to board of elections in your county and drop it off or a one stop polling place

DO NOT RISK THE MAIL

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
16. If state law says the ballots have to be postmarked by a certain day,
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 04:16 PM
Oct 2020

such as November 2 or November 3, and received within a certain number of days, there is nothing Kavanaugh can say or do about it.

It's all about the postmarks so let's hope each of the "late" ballots gets one.

Postmarking mail should be a requirement for the Post Office.

grobertj

(187 posts)
18. In NC, mail in votes are counted as they arrive. The first returns will be mail in ballots
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 04:25 PM
Oct 2020

and early voting.

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