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I am worried about MN now, horrid ruling by the 8th Circuit court of Appeals (Original Post) Celerity Oct 2020 OP
the timing really stinks. nt Grasswire2 Oct 2020 #1
I agree, BAD decision. elleng Oct 2020 #2
IMO, MN's election won't be decided by the late ballots. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2020 #7
This is who republicans are. madaboutharry Oct 2020 #3
Yep. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #21
That is F***ING BULLS***T man ... mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #4
I think there is a "game plan" . . pat_k Oct 2020 #5
the fact it is a FEDERAL court could be used (via twisted corrupted logic) possibly to Celerity Oct 2020 #8
Actually per another source, this is an exaggeration of the current situation ... mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #6
little solace in that article, tbh, especially as the corrupt Federal judiciary foodchain's involved Celerity Oct 2020 #11
In some ways that decision is far worse. If Trump is up don't count late ballots. Statistical Oct 2020 #24
Yeah, it presents a host of potential problems ... mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #26
I can only hope that things like this give us more votes by making our voters angry Alhena Oct 2020 #9
This is changing the rules near the end of the game. radius777 Oct 2020 #10
The last update showed 578,805 Rice4VP Oct 2020 #12
Let's hope! With 4 more days of mail service b4 8pm on Tuesday that # could diminish a lot Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #15
After the update today there are 388,535 outstanding Rice4VP Oct 2020 #29
Yep. Most Democratic voters have known the court challenges were coming for a long time ooky Oct 2020 #25
I'm missing something here-- states run elections and the feds normally have no say unless... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #13
what I do not understand is how a federal court can get involved in the first place Celerity Oct 2020 #14
That's my problem-- I think it's involved because there's a state law that bureaucrats have... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #17
Federal courts rule on constitutionality, radius777 Oct 2020 #18
Thx for posting that! A voice of sanity Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #16
What does it mean that "states run elections"? FBaggins Oct 2020 #19
That's what I thought was going on, but it wasn't clear what the original law was. TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Oct 2020 #28
I just watched Ben Ginberg on CNN malaise Oct 2020 #20
This will piss off the voters AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #23
Don't worry. Minnesotans will vote in time. MineralMan Oct 2020 #27

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
7. IMO, MN's election won't be decided by the late ballots.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 01:57 AM
Oct 2020

Yes, horrible decision. Made by partisan GOP justices. It had to be. But what the justices are assuming, perhaps falsely, is that all of those votes held up are Democratic votes. They simply aren't. The MN election won't be decided by a few hundred votes. (If there's a Republican advantage in the held-up votes, those votes will likely be a small percentage of the state-wide tally and, if it's a GOP majority in the held up votes, it won't be enough to flip the election.) The Dems have a better grip on the majority. Besides, this latest ruling will bring out MORE Democrats on election day. Call it the Wisconsin effect: when voters believe that they're being given a raw deal by the right wing, they'll react with defiance and they'll become more determined than ever to vote.

My guess is that the state will issue an emergency appeal for a stay. They will argue that the appeals court decision was made in bad faith since MN voters were already voting under a specific set of conditions that, in mid stream, the appeals court denied. The state should argue that the time for making sound and prudent decisions should occur after the election and not before.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. That is F***ING BULLS***T man ...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 01:48 AM
Oct 2020

It's literally like the day after the latest day one can safely mail it in and have it arrive by Nov. 3.

F*** THIS NOISE. You can't DO THIS this late in the game, when everyone's been told they just have to mail it by election day by the state and now it's too late? WTAF?

Could this decision be used to make ALL states adhere to this same thing? What's special about MN that isn't true in other states that allow votes to be counted on a similar timeline I guess is what I'm asking?

Celerity

(43,406 posts)
8. the fact it is a FEDERAL court could be used (via twisted corrupted logic) possibly to
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 01:58 AM
Oct 2020

attempt a nation-wide ruling, via the SCOTUS (assuming it ends up there).

I fully admit that is above my pay grade as to the possibility of that occurring.

Celerity

(43,406 posts)
11. little solace in that article, tbh, especially as the corrupt Federal judiciary foodchain's involved
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 02:04 AM
Oct 2020
The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that Minnesota absentee ballots may need to be in by 8 p.m. Election Day in order to be counted. The ruling puts the state’s extended counting period at risk and sets the stage for post-election litigation.

The ruling doesn’t block Minnesota’s seven-day extension for counting absentee ballots — but it does order a lower court to issue a ruling to segregate the ballots so they can be “removed from vote totals in the event a final order is entered” that finds them unlawful. The ruling orders Secretary of State Steve Simon to inform local election officials so they can comply, and sends the case back to the lower court for further proceedings.


“The court’s decision is a tremendous and unnecessary disruption to Minnesota’s election, just days before Election Day. This last-minute change could disenfranchise Minnesotans who were relying on settled rules for the 2020 election — rules that were in place before the August 11 primary and were accepted by all political parties. It is deeply troubling that the people who brought the lawsuit, a conservative legislator and presidential elector, would seek to sabotage the system for political gain,” Simon said. “I won’t let any Minnesota voter be silenced. My mission is now to make sure all voters know that a federal court has suddenly changed the rules, and that their ballot needs to be received by Election Day.”

The decision is likely to create voter confusion, with people who haven’t returned their absentee ballots scrambling to make sure their votes count. People who are worried their absentee ballots may not arrive on time may drop off their ballots at a designated location, vote early at an early voting station, or vote in person on Election Day.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
24. In some ways that decision is far worse. If Trump is up don't count late ballots.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:11 AM
Oct 2020

If Trump is down = count late ballots because maybe he wins in a hail mary attempt.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
26. Yeah, it presents a host of potential problems ...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:33 AM
Oct 2020

But the tweet in the OP is not entirely accurate, that's all I'm saying.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
9. I can only hope that things like this give us more votes by making our voters angry
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 02:03 AM
Oct 2020

and thus more likely to turn out and vote.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
10. This is changing the rules near the end of the game.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 02:04 AM
Oct 2020

Voters were under the impression that they had time, but now their votes will be discarded. Luckily we seem to have a good lead in MN and Dems hopefully educated voters about this situation. The USPS workers (despite DeJoy) will likely try as hard as they can to get the ballots in ontime.

The right wing truly does not believe in democracy.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
12. The last update showed 578,805
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:59 AM
Oct 2020

ballots outstanding. That was on October 23.

They update every Friday it seems so let’s wait until later today to get a better idea of what’s really outstanding


https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/MN.html

Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)
15. Let's hope! With 4 more days of mail service b4 8pm on Tuesday that # could diminish a lot
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:35 AM
Oct 2020

Having said that, let’s hope MN Dems got the message and are now not going to trust their ballot to the mail

ooky

(8,924 posts)
25. Yep. Most Democratic voters have known the court challenges were coming for a long time
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:20 AM
Oct 2020

and were ready not to fall victim to this Trump plot. I have to believe that the great majority of these will be received in time.

There are some things you just can't procrastinate on and this is one of them.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. I'm missing something here-- states run elections and the feds normally have no say unless...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:30 AM
Oct 2020

they are really out of line.

This decision doesn't say the late votes don't count, but should just be put into a separate pile in case they become invalid in the future. Why they might be invalidated is in some other suit somewhere.

No word on dealing with provisional ballots. Also no word on the point of not counting the ballots for a month-- Electors are not set until December.

No question this is just another Trumpian stalling action, but I really don't see any legal basis for it.



Celerity

(43,406 posts)
14. what I do not understand is how a federal court can get involved in the first place
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:34 AM
Oct 2020

when the action in question is up to the individual state

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
17. That's my problem-- I think it's involved because there's a state law that bureaucrats have...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:40 AM
Oct 2020

ignored. That could give the feds the excuse. Or maybe some constitutional bullshit they made up.

But it's not spelled out anywhere.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
19. What does it mean that "states run elections"?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:38 AM
Oct 2020

That’s the question here.

From the summary of the ruling... it appears that state law set one standard and then the Secretary of State changed it due to the pandemic. Obviously if the legislature took the same action, that wouldn’t be a problem... the question is whether the SoS has the power to do it alone.

It isn’t a question of whether the decision is right or wrong... but whether the person who made the decision had the power to do so.

Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #22)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
27. Don't worry. Minnesotans will vote in time.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:35 AM
Oct 2020

Those who have been waiting will either hand-deliver their ballots early or vote on Tuesday. Minnesotans know how to do elections.

All that news will do is further encourage early votes and election day voters.

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