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(13,571 posts)elleng
(130,964 posts)Senator Klobuchar seemed pretty confident about MN (generally.)
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)Yes, horrible decision. Made by partisan GOP justices. It had to be. But what the justices are assuming, perhaps falsely, is that all of those votes held up are Democratic votes. They simply aren't. The MN election won't be decided by a few hundred votes. (If there's a Republican advantage in the held-up votes, those votes will likely be a small percentage of the state-wide tally and, if it's a GOP majority in the held up votes, it won't be enough to flip the election.) The Dems have a better grip on the majority. Besides, this latest ruling will bring out MORE Democrats on election day. Call it the Wisconsin effect: when voters believe that they're being given a raw deal by the right wing, they'll react with defiance and they'll become more determined than ever to vote.
My guess is that the state will issue an emergency appeal for a stay. They will argue that the appeals court decision was made in bad faith since MN voters were already voting under a specific set of conditions that, in mid stream, the appeals court denied. The state should argue that the time for making sound and prudent decisions should occur after the election and not before.
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)They hate Democracy.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)They can't win a fair fight.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It's literally like the day after the latest day one can safely mail it in and have it arrive by Nov. 3.
F*** THIS NOISE. You can't DO THIS this late in the game, when everyone's been told they just have to mail it by election day by the state and now it's too late? WTAF?
Could this decision be used to make ALL states adhere to this same thing? What's special about MN that isn't true in other states that allow votes to be counted on a similar timeline I guess is what I'm asking?
Celerity
(43,406 posts)attempt a nation-wide ruling, via the SCOTUS (assuming it ends up there).
I fully admit that is above my pay grade as to the possibility of that occurring.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Though the lack of clarity it causes is arguably worse ...
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/10/29/appeals-court-rules-mn-absentee-ballots-must-be-in-by-8-p-m-election-day/
Celerity
(43,406 posts)The ruling doesnt block Minnesotas seven-day extension for counting absentee ballots but it does order a lower court to issue a ruling to segregate the ballots so they can be removed from vote totals in the event a final order is entered that finds them unlawful. The ruling orders Secretary of State Steve Simon to inform local election officials so they can comply, and sends the case back to the lower court for further proceedings.
The courts decision is a tremendous and unnecessary disruption to Minnesotas election, just days before Election Day. This last-minute change could disenfranchise Minnesotans who were relying on settled rules for the 2020 election rules that were in place before the August 11 primary and were accepted by all political parties. It is deeply troubling that the people who brought the lawsuit, a conservative legislator and presidential elector, would seek to sabotage the system for political gain, Simon said. I wont let any Minnesota voter be silenced. My mission is now to make sure all voters know that a federal court has suddenly changed the rules, and that their ballot needs to be received by Election Day.
The decision is likely to create voter confusion, with people who havent returned their absentee ballots scrambling to make sure their votes count. People who are worried their absentee ballots may not arrive on time may drop off their ballots at a designated location, vote early at an early voting station, or vote in person on Election Day.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)If Trump is down = count late ballots because maybe he wins in a hail mary attempt.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But the tweet in the OP is not entirely accurate, that's all I'm saying.
Alhena
(3,030 posts)and thus more likely to turn out and vote.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Voters were under the impression that they had time, but now their votes will be discarded. Luckily we seem to have a good lead in MN and Dems hopefully educated voters about this situation. The USPS workers (despite DeJoy) will likely try as hard as they can to get the ballots in ontime.
The right wing truly does not believe in democracy.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)ballots outstanding. That was on October 23.
They update every Friday it seems so lets wait until later today to get a better idea of whats really outstanding
https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/MN.html
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)Having said that, lets hope MN Dems got the message and are now not going to trust their ballot to the mail
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)and were ready not to fall victim to this Trump plot. I have to believe that the great majority of these will be received in time.
There are some things you just can't procrastinate on and this is one of them.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)they are really out of line.
This decision doesn't say the late votes don't count, but should just be put into a separate pile in case they become invalid in the future. Why they might be invalidated is in some other suit somewhere.
No word on dealing with provisional ballots. Also no word on the point of not counting the ballots for a month-- Electors are not set until December.
No question this is just another Trumpian stalling action, but I really don't see any legal basis for it.
Celerity
(43,406 posts)when the action in question is up to the individual state
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)ignored. That could give the feds the excuse. Or maybe some constitutional bullshit they made up.
But it's not spelled out anywhere.
radius777
(3,635 posts)or so they claim.
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)FBaggins
(26,748 posts)Thats the question here.
From the summary of the ruling... it appears that state law set one standard and then the Secretary of State changed it due to the pandemic. Obviously if the legislature took the same action, that wouldnt be a problem... the question is whether the SoS has the power to do it alone.
It isnt a question of whether the decision is right or wrong... but whether the person who made the decision had the power to do so.
TreasonousBastard
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malaise
(269,038 posts)He expects the Supremes to over rule this
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)and they will vote in person.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Those who have been waiting will either hand-deliver their ballots early or vote on Tuesday. Minnesotans know how to do elections.
All that news will do is further encourage early votes and election day voters.