Just Got A FLYer From AOC

[Me.]

addressed to me urging me to vote for Biden/Harris on the Working Families Line.

Don't Like it.

[Turin_C3PO]

1. Why is that bad?

What is the Working Families Line?

[Me.]

3. For Me

I think the Dems, both up and down ballots, need all the help they can get and we need their votes. I didn't like it when Senator Warren suggested we do this and I don't like this urging.

[Turin_C3PO]

24. I'm not too worried about it because

apparently Schumer and also Gillibrand sent out the same thing.

[Me.]

25. At This Point I Think It's Needlessly Confusing

and I hope it doen't cost us votes

[melman]

5. It's not

[demmiblue]

7. Some here have a weird obsession with her. n/t

[Me.]

8. Some Do, Some Don't

Some appreciate party loyalty when the future of the country is at stake

[brush]

20. Exactly right. Vote straight Democratic to thwart repug evil up and down the ticket.

We have no obligation to the Working Families Party.

[Me.]

22. ...

[lunatica]

41. That's my thinking.

Why break up the Democratic Party into factions? Especially when it’s completely unnecessary. What’s the motivation?

[Celerity]

51. this plus a googolplex

[Dorian Gray]

62. In NYC

the working families party is in danger in NY state. They need 2% of the vote to remain on the ballot in future elections.

While I voted for Joe as a D, I did vote for some WFP down ballot.

[demmiblue]

2. Aww, I'm sorry for you pain.

[Me.]

6. Why THank You

[Dave Starsky]

4. Anyone profoundly stupid enough to fall for that...

Is already voting for Trump.

[lagomorph777]

9. I don't understand what this is?

[Spazito]

12. Here's an interesting article that explains this quite well...

The Working Families Party needs 130,000 New Yorkers to vote for Biden on its line, or it will lose its automatic ballot spot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/15/nyregion/working-families-party-biden.html

I didn't understand this either until I read this article, it explains a lot, imo.

[lagomorph777]

32. I guess I've never heard of "voting on a line" before.

Having trouble processing what it's about.

[Spazito]

34. Me either....

From what I can gather they want voters to vote up and down ballot on the Working Families ticket instead of the Democratic ticket even though the names listed are identical in both 'lines' and they need that to happen to keep their party's ability to be on the ballot next time. They need 130,000 New York voters to do that.

Where they are using 'line' I used 'ticket' because it makes more sense to me that way. This seems to strictly a New York thing.

[lagomorph777]

35. Thanks for that analysis!

Very peculiar structure. As if voting isn't tricky enough!

[Statistical]

44. It means voting for the working family party (WFP) not the Democratic party.

[matt819]

10. Pardon me

but this post and some of its responses make no sense.

Why does it matter what party line they're on as long as you vote for them? Are you thinking of down ballot votes? If so, then I can sorta see the point, but as long as the remaining votes are for Dems, or for the Dems even if they're on another party line, then what's the matter?

As for the reference to "they're voting for trump anyway," huh? The OP isn't very long, but there's certainly no reference to a third party, non-Biden/Harris, vote.

Maybe it's me, but I don't get it.

And my guess is that it's only in NY.

[brush]

14. Keep it simple. We're Democrats and we should vote a straight Democratic...

ticket from president to school board (if that's on the ballot). We have no obligation to the Working Families Party. We need to get as many Democrats in office as possible to thwart republican evil.

[JonLP24]

58. The WFP does that

We do that by electing progressive leaders — in New York State, Jamaal Bowman, Yuh-Line Niou, Mondaire Jones, and Jabari Brisport; in Pennsylvania, city councilmember Kendra Brooks; in Wisconsin, Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes. It’s a real multiracial, intergenerational crew of progressive leaders who come from their communities and who are leading on the vision of our party.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/new-york-working-families-party-ballot-line-trump-biden-democrats

I'm from Arizona but I know WFP is a NYC thing and that they support Democrats. Votes for Biden/Harris on either line counts exactly the same but helping the WFP helps them fight for NYC.

[brush]

59. Why dilute the Democratic vote? Why aren't these people in the Democratic Party?

It's a big enough tent. There are progressives in the party. We're stronger when not divided.

[Me.]

21. Because They Are Not THe only Dems Running On The Dem Ticket

as AOC is

[lunatica]

42. Why does the Democratic Party need to be sliced into different parts?

Especially in a year like this one? Do we really need another potential schism within the party?

[Statistical]

45. Well Biden is incredibly unlikely to lose NY however a vote for the WFP is not a vote for

the Democratic party.

The votes are not combined. In winner take all whichever party has the most votes ends up getting the electors for that state. In theory in a close state if you split enough votes off the Democratic ticket the Democratic party could lose despite DEM + WFP being more than the Republican.

Also I don't see any reason to create confusion for the voters. "Vote blue/Democratic". It really is that simple.

[femmedem]

11. Sen. Schumer is also calling for people to vote Biden/Harris on the Working Families Line.

As is Senator Gillibrand.
Maybe you like it better coming from them?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-working-families-party-schumer-gillibrand-voting-20201026-oz3rspbg2bhyzk4ps7zdhvhayi-story.html

[NurseJackie]

15. Nope. Not from either of them either.

It's not the messenger. It's a "tactic" that ultimately has the effect of undermining the strength of the Democratic party, and anything that weakens and divides Democrats (or our voting strength) is something that only benefits the Republicans.

[melman]

16. This will be ignored

Inconvenient things always are.

[JonLP24]

49. This AOC thread is way weirder than the Bernie Sanders thread

I do not understand the desire to campaign against progressives this close to an election. Are they appealing to Never Trumpers at the last minute?

[Me.]

18. I Saw That & POsted In Your Thread

as there is no guarantee, I still have reservations about this

[NurseJackie]

23. It does NOT help or strengthen the Democratic Party. I'm against it.

[NurseJackie]

13. People who encourage such things are trying to dilute the Democratic Party...

People who encourage such things are trying to dilute the Democratic Party, and in states where such things are taken into account, this could also affect how districts are redrawn which would ALSO dilute or weaken the influence of the Democratic party.

All I'm saying is that ANYTHING that serves to weaken or divide or dilute the strength the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is something that ONLY BENEFITS the Republicans and Russia.

When it comes to national elections, we are a two party system. Until that changes, anything that anyone does to undermine the Democrats only serves to help the Republicans.

[Me.]

19. Quite

[Statistical]

46. I agree. In NY it is unlikely to matter but if this were to spread to other states it would

hurt the Democratic party.

I think it is a dangerous game to play. Vote Democratic every vote, every time.

[elleng]

17. Schumer & Gillibrand:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214394490

[bigtree]

26. why is AOC singled out here?

...Schumer, Gillibrand, and other prominent NY pols are for this.

It really irks me the way AOC is castigated first and foremost for political moves that are made others who don't get a mention here. It's a syndrome which I think originated on the right, and is sport for Trump and other republicans to single this woman out. It's piling on, at this point, and it stinks.

[NurseJackie]

27. The OP said she received a flyer from her. I'll bet if the flyer had been from Gillibrand...

why is AOC singled out here?

The OP said she received a flyer from her. I'll bet if the flyer had been from Gillibrand... then the question would have "singled-out" Gillibrand.

It's piling on, at this point, and it stinks.

No it's not.

[bigtree]

28. I just responded to another critical AOC thread

...and you can't convince me people aren't piling on.

Btw, I just heard Trump bash AOC from his campaign podium. Way to go.

[NurseJackie]

31. Ridiculous. This is not a "hit thread"

I just resonded to another AOC hit thread

Ridiculous. This is not a "hit thread"

Btw, I just heard Trump bash AOC from his campaign podium. Way to go.

Oh, that's awful!

and you can't convince me people aren't piling on.

Believe what you want to believe. I don't care.

[Voltaire2]

50. Lulzd.

[Cha]

54. No one is trying to "convince you" of anything

She simply stated that the OP got a Flyer from AOC and doesn't like it.

[Me.]

55. Funny Isn't It How Upset Some Get With Someone's IMHO

[Cha]

56. PerZactly!

Mahalo, Me!

[R B Garr]

60. Yes, and it's interesting that the history of who does

the bashing is so consistently misrepresented, especially when it’s about a certain “brand”.

[Me.]

38. You Are Correct

Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2020, 10:16 PM - Edit history (1)

as I said in another post, I singled her out because she singled me out.

[Me.]

29. I Singled Her Out Because She Singled Me Out

It wasn't a 'to whom this may concern' flyer, it was addressed to me. She's not my rep and I don't agree with the tactic and feel I have every right to say so. And just for the record I have criticized the two senators when I didn't agree with them. Schumer when he stood with Netanyahu against PBO and Gillibrand when she took on FRanken. And frankly, if anyone here dares to breathe a word against AOC her little army of scolds come marching out so pardon me if I ignore the critique.

And Ps...Who listens to Trump?

[bigtree]

33. I'm not familiar with an "army of scolds"

...but I am aquainted with the resistance to this Democratic congresswoman here, much of it directed soley at her, no matter who else is participating in the same politics, much like your post.

I think it's wrong not to recognize this, and that's why I pointed it out with the hope that you would, as well.

Btw, Trump just attacked AOC by name at his rabid rally. Just now, as I'm typing this.

[Me.]

36. I Might Have Had I Not Been Immediately Criticized

However, my main disappointment was with the flyer sent to me in her name and my disagreement with it.Though I do think people are entitled to voice their opinion of her on both sides. And I don't feel I will censor myself based on what he says at his rallies, which I never watch. And, who doesn't he attack?

[NurseJackie]

39. Irrelevant.

Trump just attacked AOC by name at his rabid rally. Just now, as I'm typing this.

Irrelevant.

Unless the suggestion being made is that the OP isn't allowed to say anything about "AOC" if she's been recently "attacked by name" at a Trump rally. It almost sounds like the absurd suggestion is being made that the OP is somehow in-cahoots with Trump... and we all know that's not true. But still.

[Renew Deal]

57. Are they on the flyer?

[Celerity]

61. +1000

[JHB]

30. Schumer and Gillibrand are also asking people to do so

New York is a state that still allows electoral fusion (cross-endorsement of candidates). WFP is a reliable source of GOTV workers for Democratic candidates they cross-endorse.

However, by NYS law, if their threshold of the vote drops below a certain percentage, they lose their automatic ballot line. So promninent Dems are asking people to boost WFP's count by voting for Democratic candidates on their line.

[Me.]

37. I Saw THat

but now that I know, I still feel it is needlessly confusing and the public should have been better informed before now, so close to the election. I hope it doen't end in us losing votes. I don't know,

[JHB]

40. It won't lose us votes because they all go to Biden/Harris

It's not as if votes for them on the WFP line would be spoilers for them on the Democratic line.

It's less confusing in areas which have this sort of process, where it's a normal part of the political landscape.

[Me.]

43. And There Are No Down Ballot Race Candidates?

[JHB]

47. Nobody has to vote straight ticket, and that's not what the congresspeople are asking...

...just to vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line so that they have the numbers to retain a continuing slot on the state ballot, so they don't have to canvas for signatures to get back on the ballot next election.

I used to live in New York, and did that plenty of times.

I know we're all opinionated here, but when national-level NY politicians as varied as Shumer, Gillibrand, and AOC are advocating something, maybe it's worth considering that at least one of them -- maybe even all three! (**gasp**) -- know what they're talking about.

[democrattotheend]

48. I got the same thing, I think

It was from AOC and Elizabeth Warren. I read today that Schumer and Gillibrand are also encouraging this. I was already planning to vote for Biden on the Working Families line, just as I did with Hillary in 2016 and Obama in 2012.

[Celerity]

52. aw, it will be oki

[Me.]

53. Lordy I Hope So