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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, seven tRump counties in Penn said tonight that they will not count absentee ballots until
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the 4th, according to Maddow right now, even though all other counties will be counting them on the 3rd. These seven counties went for tRump in '16, I smell a RICO case in the making!
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Will be pleas to count every vote from those saying now that counts should end on election night....
elleng
(130,895 posts)and not required at all; count every ballot IS required, as stated by J. Shapiro of Pennsylvania.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)As someone said recently, until all the ballots are counted, the election is not over. The thing does not end when the polls close, and network projections are not official declarations from a state board of elections. If someone leads at 10 PM, the election has not been flipped if that person trails at dawn, or next Thursday.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...but, as Keith Olberman noted, Trump will try to set the narrative with his planned "victory speech" tomorrow night. If the networks fall for it, and show it live, that narrative becomes established, no matter how much the network anchors can then proclaim that the race isn't callable yet. If that's accepted, any change in the results in later counting will be viewed by many as "illegitimate."
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Trumps tune is going to change . When its clear on election night that Biden has won, his tune will change from only election day votes count to count every vote, no matter how long it takes.
Think I will launch an OP on this subject.
-Laelth
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)they are pissing into the wind. The large cities and suburbs so swamp then, that if Joe has a big lead in the big places, the hollows of red country wont prevent the state from being called.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...either. And, yes, these are Republican counties. But the fact remains that more Democrats are voting by mail than Republicans, so the election-night numbers from these counties (which will be reporting in-person voting totals) will be even more heavily-weighted toward Trump than they would otherwise be...which will buoy his numbers and make it look like he's doing better than he is.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They wont swamp anything, they are too small compared to the whole and are buoyed only by gerrymandering, which is not an issue for a Presidential or Senate race.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Americans may have to wait beyond election night to find out who won Pennsylvania, since at least two counties in the state will not begin counting mail-in ballots until the day after the election.
Election officials in Cumberland and Butler Counties, both of which are heavily Republican, say their staffs are simply too small to tally mail ballots while at the same time running Election Day operations.
Under state law, it's legal for these counties to wait. They're allowed to open mail-in ballot envelopes, check signatures and scan ballots a process known as "pre-canvassing" on the morning of Election Day, but they must wait until polls close at 8 p.m. to report results.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-election-ballots-butler-cumberland-counties-count-after-election-day/
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Trump counties in PA are sparser, with less centralization, and fewer people on hand to help with shit like this. That likely explains this decision. I don't think it helps Trump at all, and may even hurt him. These votes won't register on Election night, but any analyst worth her salt will know how many votes are outstanding and how they're likely to fall based on district and in-person voting ranges. Pennsylvania could even be called with these votes out. If you're down 450,000 and there are only 500,000 left to count, you're not going to make it up.