Ohio does it again

[Botany]

Last edited Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

so the day before the election day "they" loaded new software into the voting system (I don't know where) so all the voting machines are having problems, the lines are long, and everybody has to vote on paper... at least at the precinct where I am working..... but people are staying in line and voting.

I might be wrong but this was no glitch or error but planned problems. Look for Trump to site OH in trying to complain about the outcome.


Btw we are crushing it here in Ohio.

Update... the machines are working now.

[samplegirl]

1. Where are you in Ohio???

[Botany]

13. Columbus west side

But I'm hearing this might be a statewide problem

[LisaL]

14. I think it's limited to Franklin county as far as I can tell.

Apparently they tried to upload already voted file into the system and the file was too big.
So that screwed up all the electronic pollbooks. But I haven't seen it yet reported that voting machines are also not working.

"Franklin County has shifted to paper pollbooks for Election Day in a move that could make the voting process slower in Ohio's largest county."
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/03/franklin-county-shifts-paper-pollbooks-after-data-upload-problem/6135788002/

[LiberalArkie]

31. It sounds like they were trying to change the total in the machine manually. That should have shut

them down as a fraud prevention.

Just too bad they did not know it.

[llashram]

34. I remember the2004

election when TOP republikkkan flew into Ohio when the vote was very close and bushII won it.

[Lonestarblue]

50. Yes, Diebold paid a rather large fine for that election.

The CEO f Diebold promised that he would deliver Ohio for Bush—and he did with programming glitches and questionable vote totals. Diebold is still conducting illegal business activities, though I seem to recall that they either sold or renamed the voting machine division after 2004.

Interesting article. https://columbusfreepress.com/article/diebold-indicted-its-spectre-still-haunts-ohio-elections

[True Blue American]

58. We can blame

Kenneth Blackwell for that. Both gone.

[Chili]

64. I remember that

I took part in the Cuyahoga recount, but we were looking at the altered ballot books.

[True Blue American]

55. I have not heard of any problems

In Montgomery. They just gave a PC. Answered questions.

[Boogiemack]

30. In Montgomery county, MD they had BOTH paper and electronic ballots. You could choose. And

the paper ballots served as a backup for machine glitches.

[reACTIONary]

71. HoCo uses paper ballots that are then scanned...

... seems like the best over all solution to me.

[lindysalsagal]

2. Call the tv, radio, get the media there, and the dems.

[usaf-vet]

35. Call 866-OUR-VOTE

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. Paper might be safer. nt

[WinstonSmith4740]

32. That's what I was thinking

It's got to be a royal pain for the people working the polls, but you can't hack paper. We should have gone back to paper after 2000. There's no reason we have to know the results 2 minutes after the polls close.

[AllaN01Bear]

38. i dont trust these electronic voting machines , too easy to tamper with.

[WinstonSmith4740]

44. WAY too easy.

It's been going on since 2000 that we're all aware of. The republicans screwed with the programming in 2004 in places like Ohio...I remember reading that the machines started subtracting Kerry votes as the day went on. The companies that manufacture a lot of these voting machines are owned by Republicans, so who knows what's preloaded into them before election day.

I think Biden's going to take this today in a walk, but just like in 2008, it will severely wound the Republican party and turn it into a cornered animal...they'll be back in 2024 and we need to be prepared.

[Light63]

56. Even in the safe Democratic State of Illinois,

I still voted by paper ballot! I just don't trust our software security system.

[aggiesal]

51. Read - Witness to a Crime: A Citizens' Audit of an American Election

By Richard Hayes Phillips

A very detailed accounting of how the Ohio 2004 Presidential election was rigged--even without electronic vote-flipping.

The book shows images of paper ballots where Kerry votes were cover by circled stickers, that you can buy at any office supply store, and switched to Bush.

Kerry conceeded way too early.

[True Blue American]

57. We have both.

But mine is at the BOE in the count.

[LisaL]

4. Franklin county is checking voters in using paper books instead of electronic.

"Voters in Franklin County are being checked in on Election Day using backup paper poll books instead of electronically."

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/your-local-election-hq/franklin-county-voters-being-checked-in-using-backup-paper-system/

[AllaN01Bear]

41. do i have to be a star member to get one of those i voted avatars? thanks

and yeppers , i voted a long time ago.

[Backseat Driver]

68. Don't think so -

Go to My Profile/Avatar/Slogans - The "I voted" graphic should be there among the others.

[berni_mccoy]

5. This hurts Trump more than Biden

A much larger percentage of Biden voters compared to Trump voters have already voted.

Ohio has already been counting early ballots as well.

[keepthemhonestO]

6. Is your district heavily Democratic?

It might be a way to suppress the vote too.

[catrose]

7. There was NO IT person to scream about how bad this was?

After 30+ years in tech—HFS JFC on a cracker

[YessirAtsaFact]

10. Another IT Pro here

You NEVER, EVER load new critical updates the day before a big event.

Because there may be glitches.

[Lochloosa]

11. There WILL be glitches

[LisaL]

26. They had to wait until the last minute because what they were trying to upload was early voter data.

It didn't upload. So they have to log in people using paper rolls. Apparently that led poll workers to think that these people must also vote on paper instead of on machines.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/your-local-election-hq/franklin-county-voters-being-checked-in-using-backup-paper-system/

[YessirAtsaFact]

28. OK, the issue isn't software, it's voter data-That makes more sense

A software update the day before an election would be nuckin futz.

[klook]

40. Thanks - removing tinfoilhat. (nt)

[Chili]

69. LisaL...

...you are awesome. Thank you for all the knowledgeable posts about our state, it helps a lot!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

72. I agree!

[Grins]

74. "Test? What for? I just changed one line of code."

The line we used years ago with major systems. Every program tester dreaded that before it went into production.

[getagrip_already]

18. Igor tried to.. but the oh officials don't speak russian....

They thought it would be fine.

[mopinko]

23. i was only married to an it guy, and i know this.

smells rly bad.

[House of Roberts]

8. Here in Alabama we vote on paper, only using a scanner to tabulate.

A hand recount/audit is an option, if there was a need.

[karynnj]

22. Same here in the biggest town in Vermont (Burlington)

We moved in in December 2012 from NJ. The first time we voted, it was almost a culture shock. In NJ, we voted on machines where you pulled a lever after you were happy with your choices. (My three little girls thought "they" had voted as they pulled that lever when my husband or I told them they could.) There was supposedly a "paper trail" created within the machine, but you could not see it - which always made me a bit concerned.

In Vermont, we got a paper ballot and were told we could turn it in for a new one if we made a mistake - warning us not to cross out mistakes We then walked to the machine that tabulated them, where a Republican and Democratic official stood there giving out I voted stickers and explaining how to put the ballots in. We saw the machine increment the number counted after it read the ballot. (It was explained to us that double voting would register it as a mistake and the person could start with a new ballot.)

As you say, a hand recount could easily be done if there was a question.

This year, everyone in VT got a ballot. One choice was to fill it in and take it to the voting place. We did that for the primary where they moved the sign in process outside on tables. As we had some snow today, I assume it is completely indoors. We opted to fill it in and take it to City Hall last week - no lines.

[mopinko]

25. when i was a judge i used to try to talk the other judges

into hand counting the top of the ticket race, just to check the scanners.
never could, but if i were working this one somewhere like ohio, i would do it myself if i had to.

[Richluu]

48. Same in Iowa

Paper ballot, scanned.

[doc03]

9. I vote on paper in Ohio. We feed the paper to a machine, being Ohio it

could be a shredder.

[True Blue American]

59. No, my Son

Said the shredder was under the counting machine. He complained loudly! You can not shut him up! An Engineer, he was furious. Gone the next time!

[Ohiogal]

12. Way to go, Ohio

😠

Maybe paper is better, anyway.

[C_U_L8R]

15. D'Ohio

[beachbumbob]

16. same day voting in Ohio with problems impact GOP voters way more

[LisaL]

17. This is in Franklin county, very blue.

NT

[onetexan]

33. This MAY be a blessing in disguise. Paper ballots, much less chance of suppression.

[zackymilly]

19. Hope they get it fixed. rump's a** needs to be beat fair and square so he he'll whine less. n/t

[LisaL]

27. Again, it's a blue county.

It's really not helpful to democrats to have problems there.

[getagrip_already]

21. kudo's for being prepared with paper backups.....

Lots of places don't do that. If a machine goes away, they just extend the lines on the others. If they all go down, voting stops.

[LisaL]

24. You machines might be working fine.

Believe it or not, apparently poll workers couldn't figure out machines still work even with paper check in.

""There were some locations where I think people didn't realize you could use the touch screen even with paper poll pads," he said."

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/03/franklin-county-shifts-paper-pollbooks-after-data-upload-problem/6135788002/

[gab13by13]

29. If you hear that they fixed it by routing it

through a warehouse in Tennessee, call someone.

[ecstatic]

36. So sick of this crap. We should have a right to know who specifically

orders these directives regarding software, etc.

We need more transparency with regard to the machines and the communications between the vendors and state officials.

It's almost like the situation with Dejoy where there's no accountability whatsoever.

[radius777]

37. We desperately need voting reform.

The Dem base is rooted in more densely populated areas (urbs, suburbs) and if (when?) things go wrong it leads to long lines and chaos, which discourages our base from voting.

[2Legit]

39. I'm actually happy about this.

Paper is way better. I've only voted electronically once in my life and didn't like it. Not interested in potential vote changes or glitches, especially after I found out about the company who makes the machines and who their execs supported.

[Thekaspervote]

42. This!

[Evolve Dammit]

43. loaded new software yesterday? Gee, that's not suspicious or anything (sarcasm). "My city was gone."

[FelineOverlord]

45. Ohio does it again

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[KentuckyWoman]

46. My precinct was already paper

Optical scanner. North of Cincinnati

[H2O Man]

47. Recommended.

[Hotler]

49. isn't this a a Carl Rove play? nt

[True Blue American]

62. Remember how Carl

Raved when they called Ohio for Obama? They had not turned in the votes in Northeast Ohio. Everyone knows that area is blue.

[Hotler]

75. Vote switching with votes bouncing around different servers.

Another anonymous,
https://truthout.org/articles/anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix/

Sixty long seconds later the servers came back up in Ohio, but now with vote rerouted through SMARTech in Chattanooga. And, coincidentally, Bush’s prospects for re-election were suddenly a lot brighter.

[DallasNE]

52. There Should Be A Code Freeze

Several days prior to the equipment being distributed to their destination. No responsible manager would permit such a move on the day before the election. Never. So, who ordered this and why was there no pushback? Insane

[dv421]

53. True

I'm a software engineer, and if any of my management had approved this kind of release, they would have been terminated on the spot (problems or no problems). Way too much risk.

[lostnfound]

77. Georgia was installing new code in the few days before voting started

[barbtries]

54. IIRC

it was Ohio in 2004. i still say gw stole 2 elections.

[Chili]

65. yes he did

I cried quite a bit when Kerry didn't dispute further. I understood his reasons, but it was a massive disappointment.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

60. That is a purposely stupid move, at least, and maybe criminally violating voting rights. . . . nt

[UCmeNdc]

61. Get those Republicans out of being in charge of the elections in Ohio!

[True Blue American]

76. We voted for a committee on Districting.

That takes place in 2021.

[Lucky Luciano]

63. So at least you have paper ballots. Is this better maybe?

[rocktivity]

67. It's becoming a traditon

But didn't he want people to vote in person?


rocktivity

[Ms. Toad]

70. All quiet here - summit county

No line, except for opening. No sign of trump rabble rousers. All paper ballots, so we aren't impacted by whatever software snafus are going on elsewhere.

(Fourth time presidential election observer.)

[Grins]

73. The day before??????

I’ve worked in software for critical systems and you NEVER do this immediately before a critical event! Part of the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” theory.

What was wrong with the software that it HAD to be updated 1-day before?